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Should I upgrade to Provari?

Discussion in 'ProVari' started by blargman, Dec 12, 2013.

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  1. ChiefAllDay

    ChiefAllDay Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 12, 2013
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    I am starting to see why people say "here we go" and post a :pop:

    And yeah, keep making your own mods. I am sure there will eventually be a community of like minded souls that will form.

    Welcome to the Provari section.
     
  2. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    You be wrong on this point, Sherlock. Check out this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/488840-rattlesnake-effect-why-cheapo-vv-exception-itaste-mvp-dont-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html

    PBusardo put both the iTaste MVP and the iTaste VV3 on the oscelloscope, and both had a flat line just like a Provari (which produces 800+ Hz PWM). So no "cheapo" 33.3 Hz PWM "rattlesnake" chip in these two.

    PBusardo reviews the iTaste MVP

    PBusardo reviews the iTaste VV3
     
  3. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    Well then there's some other difference, perhaps airflow. I've switched the same 2.1 ohm tank with the same juice back-and-forth between the Vaporshark DNA and the MVP, with both set to the same power level... It ain't the same vape!
     
  4. denali_41

    denali_41 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 7, 2011
    Over Der
    while the MVP is a flatline modulation like the Provari,,it mhz is lower and i distinctly notice a difference with the same atty between the two ...

    All in all,the MVP is a good short term mod,as in it wasn't built to last sadly enough
     
  5. glassgal

    glassgal Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 7, 2013
    Central Florida
    An Ecig isn't a technology driven product, it's more like razorblades. So why are people going nuts looking for quality straight edges, vintage 1960's Gillette dual edge razors (that were less than $.50 when new, and today sell for $50 used and tarnished), when they can have the latest and greatest Norelco or whatever electronic shaver on the market?

    Not many people want technology as a replacement for a rolled up clump of tobacco and a lighter. They want something that works, for as long as possible, with minimal maintenance and risk of breakdown. And that's what the Provari is.

    Now I'm a very curious person, and I like to see what other people are buying, but I went right from Bloog to MVP2 to Provari. Then I came back and started filling in with VTR, 134, Mech Mods, more small Ego types, and waiting on a ZMax... not because I needed them for anything, but so I can have the full range of cheap breakables to see the attraction. So far... I haven't seen the attraction... I could do that because I had the Provari, and don't have to worry about a quality vape, while I played with the variety available (none of which are close- you get spoiled with the Provari, and I find it incredible that anyone can stand their vape quality dropping every few hits).

    I am currently vaping a 1.1 ohm build on my Provari, and I can't see why anyone would want to go lower...
    if it's true that subohm vaping drains the battery faster, where's the benefit? Your taste buds can only handle so much flavor and nic, I don't like changing batteries constantly, and unless you like obscuring your own vision, what's the point of giant vapor clouds? To irritate people in public? I don't get it.
     
  6. glassgal

    glassgal Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 7, 2013
    Central Florida
    Ok... so... you are in an industry that designs electrical and metal components... and... you have lots of ideas for room for improvement for the Provari... and you know what you like and don't like...

    And you haven't started working on a design of your own, knowing that there may be a market for it?

    Why not?
     
  7. ChiefAllDay

    ChiefAllDay Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 12, 2013
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    Glassgal, you are 100% right. I have two blades for shaving, and one safety razor. My Hart Steel straight razor was a bit of a splurge, but you only turn 40 once, right? LoL! While its American Steel isn't as sought after as german forged, that thing holds an edge like no other. On the other hand, I refinished an antique Red Dot that has amazing attention to detail and again, the steel, which is over 80 years old, is outstanding.
    What's funny to me is the fact I was able to teach myself how to hone a razor while deployed to Afghanistan this year, but I am unable to perfect making a decent coil in the comfort of my own home, lol!
    I love things that just work.
     
  8. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    I'm not at all sure we've established that. :D
     
  9. glassgal

    glassgal Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 7, 2013
    Central Florida
    Well... that's the thing people keep forgetting when they talk about technology and ecigs... they seem to forget the point of the ecig... it's to replace a CIGARETTE, which is as low tech as you can get... or a pipe, which is lower tech still. Why do we need that level of technology? Because with great technology comes lots of repairs:p. LOL!

    My son is getting all into the old razors (he JUST turned 18, so he hasn't been shaving long) ... that's what he wanted, razor stuff, for Christmas. He doesn't have anything approaching what you guys have... I just got him got him an Edwin Jagger Double Edged Safety Razor, with stand, a nice brush, lots of shaving soaps, a big assortment of double edged razor blades, and of course a big alum block :)blink: ). When I started looking at WHAT to get him, HOLY COW, there's a whole science to shaving these days, and it's all about going back to basics. Meanwhile, we're up to what? 5 blades now on regular razors and a huge assortment of electronic razors?

    I can see wanting new upgrades for hobby purposes, and they'll always be a market for it, but to expect the BEST and most BASIC battery to 'upgrade', when there's simply nothing better for the simple purpose of acting like a battery makes no sense to me.

    I hope Provari DOES NOT UPGRADE EVER. If they do, the unit in your hand will be worth $1000 in a very short time.

    I want someone to name ONE mod, DNA20, whatever, that you can throw out the window, run over with a car, smash against a concrete wall, pick it up and vape it, besides the Provari. And PROVARI should be the one changing to a easily breakable unrepairable flimsy 'upgrade'?

    As for wrapping the coil... it IS tricky... but I found that practice makes perfect... and always get a magnifying glass!!!!

    I've gotten much faster at it. The trick is to wrap on a mandrel, or bit, or teeny screwdriver...

    1. pinch one end of the wire in the hand holding the rod (squish wire with fingernail so it can't move), do 2 wraps,

    2. SQUISH the 2 coils tight together while tugging tight with the other side,

    3. then another wrap, squish it tight to the last
    (make sure they are all tight to the rod after each wrap, if one loop's bigger in the middle, it's way harder to fix later),

    4. another wrap, til you are done (I just did 10 wraps with 28 ga, on a tiny Kayfun screwdriver, pinched into a microcoil and it's now 1.1 ohms, I wanted to test the lowest the Provari can go).

    5. Then, take a tweezer/needle nose pliers, and bend each of the 2 end wires BACK towards the coil on each end direction to a sharp V. It looks like a coil with little v shaped elbows on both sides, because you want the coil to run vertical to your 2 posts down the 2 sides facing the juice channels, not lay post to post). Clip excess wire.

    6. Then all you have to do is loosen the post screws and loop each side over it and tighten down.

    7. Push your core rod through the coils again, and LIFT UP so it's not blocking the air channel once you wick.

    8. TEST FIRE on your Provari and get your ohms reading BEFORE you put your wick in, or it will be a pain to adjust later. Coils should all light up at once, not 1 after another. Burn it fully red/yellow at least once so disgusting taste and yucky stuff burns off.

    8. push Wick of choice through (I am using organic cotton balls from Walgreens). Adjust so your air channel is not blocked (or it may leak/flood), and that no wires should touch, trim and cap. Then open top chimney and poke the cotton down so it's not obstructing coil or air hole in middle. The airhole being full of cotton or juice = leak.

    9. Final trick, for the Kayfun, I pull off fluffy bits of cotton ball to poke down around the top post if it's not looking full, again not covering the coils or the air channels below it- you clog up that air channel, and you are GOING to have a leak in the Kayfun, near the juice wicking, so there's more juice absorbing it.
    This acts almost like cartos, so that you don't run out of juice and burn up your coils when the tank is empty, you have a small reserve on the cotton.

    You know... this is harder to explain than to do. It's also hard to get photos of, because it takes both hands to do it! But if you read the above slowly, and try to visualize and try it, it's really quite easy after you do it a few times. Also, making the V is easier than trying to WRAP around teensy tiny posts you can barely see:p.
     
  10. glassgal

    glassgal Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 7, 2013
    Central Florida
    Of course there is. Look at the number of people who want Provari to upgrade. Seriously. Build something AS DURABLE, with more power, and people will buy it.

    But have Provari change to do that? NO. I have no control over what Provari does, but right now, I think Provari is the standard that everyone else tries to match... but no one does. Why should they change til they have something that beats them in terms of durability?

    Put a DNA20 in something light and small, and if someone can throw it out the window, smash it on concrete, run it over with a car, pick it up and vape anyway, you will give Provari a run for the money. But with all those mods and 'upgrades' out there, no one can do it. Why should Provari update? Maybe someone should redesign the wheel?
     
  11. Moonswanni

    Moonswanni Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 14, 2013
    The Winner Circle
    I think all this bickering comes down to two types of groups wanting different things. One that prefers the "the latest and greatest" and the ones that want a device that is stable and works well.

    I've only been lurking around the Provari forum for a week, but almost all the negative posts (however subtle) are complaining about cost; more specifically that the Provari's lack of features doesn't justify it's cost. Perhaps it would be wise to put a sticky at the top of forum with links to all the previous posts about the topic. Just a thought.
     
  12. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Dec 14, 2013
    NE FL
    For the record, I have no qualms with the prices Provape's prices, which IMO are entirely reasonable for a quality "Made in USA" product.
     
  13. ChiefAllDay

    ChiefAllDay Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 12, 2013
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    Hah. My wife bought me the very same safety razor. I am gonna be honest with you, push him to straight razors. Get a good strop and and a quality razor and he will shave that way for life.
    Show him straight razor designs, that site and it's forum are amazing. I would say it's on per or even more helpful than ECF. The big thing is most straight razors have a cost point that prohibits most idiots.

    Sent from my Xperia Z1
     
  14. glassgal

    glassgal Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 7, 2013
    Central Florida
    I'm not sure I'd trust him with a straight razor... visions of Sweeney Todd dance in my head when I think of it :blink:
     
  15. ChiefAllDay

    ChiefAllDay Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 12, 2013
    Ft. Campbell, KY
    Nah, it's all about education. Plus, the first time he did it right, he will be amazed at how smooth is skin is, he will become addicted!
     
  16. GrizzlyAdam

    GrizzlyAdam Full Member

    Nov 29, 2013
    Menasha, WI, USA
    I would agree, most is about cost. What it makes up in not having VW honestly I had a zmax it had both VV and VW and I really cant see a difference. I think what a lot of non-owners dont understand is the power output is far superior than in most. This chip in here with its fast PWM and reduction what I an most people like to call "The RATTLESNAKE effect" makes all the difference. I can not comprehend how people cant notice the difference but for me vape quality and flavor are superior on my Provari. That nice stable output from full battery to dead every hit is the same.

    Its built like a tank, I cant see anything breaking on this thing even from a pretty substantial fall. The 510 threads are some of the best you will find, almost everything I have sits flush on the 510 connection making just about anything look nice on it (No stupid gap between the 510 connection and whatever you have attached to it)

    The threads on the whole thing really IMO are beautiful. I find you really dont need all that other "stuff" anyway. I wouldnt call it old technology. Provape for what they did, did it right and make a solid mod. 200 bucks? Id pay double that and still be satisfied honesty...
     
  17. GrizzlyAdam

    GrizzlyAdam Full Member

    Nov 29, 2013
    Menasha, WI, USA
    Also for the materials used and the pure beautiful machinery done, I dont think provape is really raking in the money on these things. They have even admitted that their profit margins are pretty slim on the provari. So can you blame them? They are not going to go broke or reduce quality to make a cheaper product. I believe all 200 dollars was put into these things. I mean they are beautiful and performance. Hell you cant really complain...
     
  18. glassgal

    glassgal Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 7, 2013
    Central Florida
    I agree, Provari are the BEST :)! And that's from someone with 16 mods and 49 atomizers to compare on/against them (not counting any tanks I made myself) :).
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    One of the MVP2 on the left is my husband's... who is trying to vape more. I told him if he didn't try, I'm going to keep buying more with his money til he does. It appears to be working... LOL!
     
  19. EddardinWinter

    EddardinWinter The Philosopher Who Rides Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 13, 2012
    Richmond, Va
    I just addressed my responses into your quote. (Mine in bold)

     
  20. AngiBe

    AngiBe Vapeaholic Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 19, 2013
    Indy, IN
    WOW!!!! very nice collection you have acquired!!!!!!!! :drool:
     
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