Should we attend?

[california_girl]

I got this announcement by email yesterday and I was wondering if maybe someone should attend, and possibly try to engage some of these people in a dialog about personal vaporizers. What do you think?

Here is the link to the announcement:

Implementing the Tobacco Control Act

 

[Vocalek]

I think someone who lives in the area should attend if possilble. My concern about the TCA is that there is already talk about reducing the nicotine in cigarettes -- in other words they want to repeat the fiasco of the "light cigarette." They already KNOW what will happen, but they want to pretend that they will get different results by doing the same thing (defintion of insanity).

Do it their way and smokers are just going to start getting sicker because they are taking in more tar, carbon monoxide, and toxins.

And how this applies to PVs is that if the "reduce the nicotine" crowd prevails, guess what they will want to do to the nicotine in your cartridges?

The absolute # of smokers has gone UP since 1990 (from 43.8M to over 45M). Their approach isn't working. It's time to go with the approach that does work: Nicotine maintenance, providing an amount of nicotine that is high enough that people don't have any urge to smoke tobacco.

We have a "nicotine maintenance" product now that appears to be working fantastically well. Let's try to keep them from ruining it.

 

[california_girl]

Vocalek, I am willing to attend this meeting, since I live here in the Bay area. I would like to maybe get an organized group together to present our information in a reasonable and rational way. Any suggestions?

 

[I am Nico]

i say we go in with our e-cigarettes and start vaping in front of everybody and piss em off...hmm... i dont belong in san francisco.. lol .. im not peaceful at all

 

[california_girl]

I am Nico, i appreciate that you have a right to your own opinion, but your idea is definitely not the type of impression that we should be trying to make. We want to educate people not antagonize them. The action that you are suggesting is part of the problem not the solution. We will not help our cause with a f@#$ you in your face attitude. We will, however, alienate people if we do as you suggest. I, for one, will not antagonize our opponents by doing anything to provoke a negative response.

 

[TropicalBob]

Good for you, California Girl. There are seriously misguided folks roaming this forum. As for attending, that meeting is on tobacco CONTROL. And e-cigs aren't a tobacco product. We are still waiting for a definitive federal judge's decision on that issue, but the outcome seems certain. E-cigs are a drug product, under FDA drug rules.

Either way -- drug or tobacco -- the FDA will control them. What I'd suggest is attending, listening closely, and not volunteering to speak unless electronic cigarettes are mentioned by a regulatory person at the meeting.

I think any such meeting will overflow with health nazis (not on our side at all). You don't want to get caught up in an emotional exchange with them. There is no winning such an exchange, no matter what you say or how you say it. Opposition will only harden when challenged or made to look ignorant.

Speak in defense of electronic cigarettes only if the issue is raised and you feel you can contribute something positive in defense of them.

P.S. That 2:30 conference will be the best. Neal Benowitz has more knowledge of nicotine and nicotine addiction than just anyone in America. He's on the panel. But just look at those topics! This is "hang 'em high" time for all things tobacco related.

 

[Turbolover]

I would attend but I'm on call for jury duty next week and I'm on vacation this week so I don't think I can get Friday off. I could try to switch my Saturday and get Friday off if others are going to attend.

 

[TropicalBob]

The last thing e-smoking needs is a mob demonstration at a tobacco control conference. Just look at the names that will be attending. These are giants, and they are NOT on our side. I'd be quiet as a mouse at a conference like that.

We are not a tobacco product. We do not smoke. We are not smokers.

This conference is a modern day lynch party formulating plans for the hanging of tobacco. Be very careful what you might say and to whom in that environment.

 

[lashmn]

Hey, Neighbor to the North (Naples here). You make many valuable and valid points, as usual. This does not sound like the forum for e-cigs and we certainly don't want to antagonize anyone in a position to interfer with our rights anymore than they already are.

Lynn

 

[TheBoogieman]

Good luck going. But be prepared.
Prof. Stanton Glantz, Professor of Medicine and Director, Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education is beyond an anti smoking fanatic. Hes an anti smoking psycho.
Read up on him.
I read up on him when the smoking bans first came around. Don't use science on him.
He has no belief in it.

 

[ladyraj]

Stanton Glantz was the guy who came up with "How Only 30 Minutes of Exposure to Secondhand Tobacco Smoke Can Kill You!" research that ASH cites. The seat of tobacco control research is UCSF. Stanton's hypotheses of nicotine causing endothelial dysfunction would not benefit the e-cig in any way. I submit that it is rather bold move on Stanton's part to attempt to allign all the "vested" tobacco control people together to develop a plan for the FDA to regulate. Very Bold indeed! Makes one wonder who is pulling the strings...I can't wait to see how this washes out!8-o

 

[LaceyUnderall]

We are not a tobacco product.

You never know

 

[I am Nico]

mmmm... i was only playing around..but ok... why not...

 

[Superstargoddess]

i say we go in with our e-cigarettes and start vaping in front of everybody and piss em off...hmm... i dont belong in san francisco.. lol .. im not peaceful at all

You are just causing all kinds of ruckus, aren't you? I know that you said that you were just playing in your post after the one that I am referring to here, but in other threads you have made it clear that you aren't too subtle!

I don't know if it's because you look young so you have all that male testosterone or what, but calm down son! Go sweet talk a lady into helping you relieve some of that anger! (Once again, no offense intended to you, I love everyone here. But you seem to have some anger issues!)

 

[LaceyUnderall]

I am Nico is having a rough week... seriously... there is a thread floating around here somewhere, where he explains his pain and it is quite insightful to his writing style and internet voice.

He is antsy and frustrated and just blowing off steam and it has little to do with the ecig.

PS. I am Nico - please honey... don't do anything like you joke about k? its not good for us as a community

 

[Superstargoddess]

I am Nico is having a rough week... seriously... there is a thread floating around here somewhere, where he explains his pain and it is quite insightful to his writing style and internet voice.

He is antsy and frustrated and just blowing off steam and it has little to do with the ecig.

PS. I am Nico - please honey... don't do anything like you joke about k? its not good for us as a community

Ah, gotcha. Any idea what section that thread is in? I'd like to see it.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Ah, gotcha. Any idea what section that thread is in? I'd like to see it.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-discussion/33394-relapsed-9.html

The man needs some love and attention from his fellow vapers.

Sorry I am Nico... not to spread your issues far and wide... but you did reach out AND as we are a community... if someone admits to having some issues... we should most certainly take those into consideration when they post

Hope you are feeling a little better today

 

[Lalesa]

Stanton Glantz was the guy who came up with "How Only 30 Minutes of Exposure to Secondhand Tobacco Smoke Can Kill You!" research that ASH cites. The seat of tobacco control research is UCSF. Stanton's hypotheses of nicotine causing endothelial dysfunction would not benefit the e-cig in any way. I submit that it is rather bold move on Stanton's part to attempt to allign all the "vested" tobacco control people together to develop a plan for the FDA to regulate. Very Bold indeed! Makes one wonder who is pulling the strings...I can't wait to see how this washes out!8-o

If a couple of people were inclined to go to be "a fly on the wall" and take notes to share that would be beneficial to the community. Should PV's be brought up, it might forewarn us of any possible impending actions headed our way. I don't know if anyone here would be qualified (no offense intended) to go up against these fanatics on their own. There is no common sense approach they will take, they are on the attack so only stealth vapers should think about going. If I went.... I don't think I could keep my mouth shut if I got ...... off, which this meeting would surely do.

 

[TropicalBob]

No fly on the wall needed. The press will cover this en masse. Stanton Glantz is the chair for that 2:30 session, easily the best on the program. As I noted, this will be hang 'em high for tobacco, anything remotely related to tobacco or anything starting with the letter "t". Ladyraj, he was one of the "giants" I referred to. There are more.

 

[palermo45]

No fly on the wall needed. The press will cover this en masse. Stanton Glantz is the chair for that 2:30 session, easily the best on the program. As I noted, this will be hang 'em high for tobacco, anything remotely related to tobacco or anything starting with the letter "t". Ladyraj, he was one of the "giants" I referred to. There are more.

Hey Tropical, I agree with many replies you have posted, however sometimes you are really negative!!

What is wrong with someone attending and being a "fly on the wall"? I understand that this will be covered, but we only hear what the media thinks will bring in the most viewers!! Possibly if their are some eyes and ears there in our best interests, they will hear and see things that will not be televised?

To anyone close by, I would say absolutely!!! Go attend for all of us and see what you can pick up.

Thank you very much!!!