should we be stocking up just in case

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mikepetro

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IMHO there is cause for concern. But it is not the "zombie apocalypse" as nicknamed in another thread.

Actually I would welcome "some" FDA oversight. I would love to know that the ingredients, and nic %, printed on the bottles were trustworthy. Currently there are too many folks operating out there with no oversight, and some serious errors have indeed been confirmed. I would hate to get a bad dose of nic because somebody with less than Lab quality knowledge/workmanship made a mistake.

The fear comes in because I, like many, do not trust our government. The FDA could easily overreact and limit the nic % allowed (without a prescription) to something less than effective. I am 54 years old and I inhaled cigars for many years, I need juice in the 24-36 mg/l realm in order for this to continue working for me. If the feds came out with some regulation limiting over the counter nic% to 5% this would no longer be a solution for me. They obviously want to step in and control the market in some fashion, we just dont know how far they will go. That is the real fear for me anyway.

As far as the hardware goes, I think we are pretty safe. Sure they might prohibit stuff "marketed" for delivering nicotine, drug delivery devices and/or tobacco devices would come within their domain. However, if the devices are marketed for uses OTHER than nicotine then the FDA would have no jurisdiction. Vaporizers could easily be marketed for aromatherapy use or whatever. Just look at all of the paraphernalia being sold for "tobacco use only" that clearly is not for our kind of tabacco! Have you ever seen somebody actually smoke tobacco out of a ...., yet they are readily available in many retail establishments. Sure, there might be a temporary shortage while vendors figure out how to safely re-market Vape stuff, but there will be many who will push that envelope rather quickly.

So, I think the only real real danger is that the FDA will regulate the nic % in our juice, or in the extreme, prohibit it entirely.

How have I personally prepared? I have a few PVAs, including a mechanical one. I acquired several RBAs and am learning how to rebuild them myself. That will get me through any hardware shortage should one occur. I have stockpiled some 100mg/l nic concentrate in the freezer, and learned how to make DIY juice. At 36 mg/l it would last me 2 years but I could stretch it even further if I started cutting back. Worst case scenario, I would have 2-4 years to slowly ween myself off of the nicotine by making weaker and weaker juice, best case scenario I wont need to buy any nic for a while.

Anyway, thats my take on all of this. I hope the FDA does regulate best practices, but I also hope they stop short of limiting percentages, although I doubt they will........
 

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.......................Or if they were smart they'd start selling their own branded e liquid and ecigs. And that is propably the arguement being put to them by everybody concerned !. So no one is going to listen to them either.

Several of the major Tobacco companies already own e-cig brands, mostly the small cigarette shaped disposables and the like. Here in Virginia they even force some smaller independent Tobacco Stores to carry their e-cig brands or they wont sell them the mainstream analogues.
 

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To the above post, the biggest drive for a "ban" or whatever is probably due to the massive amount of lobbying from the tobacco industry to stop it. It's a huge cut into their profits, and they do still have a lot of power in Washington.

I like to think that it has little to nothing to do with the actual "unknown health risks" of vaping.

It's not the tobacco companies that are behind most of the drive to ban/limit vaping. A tobacco company now owns Blu. It's Big Pharm through their non-profit mouth pieces and lobby who are driving much of the anti-vaping action.
 

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Just to clarify, for this particular project, we aren't going to be conducting new laboratory tests on liquid / vapor. The expert for this endeavor will perform an extensive evaluation of all the test results that have been published during the last 4 years. There's a good description of the project here: CASAA: CASAA Launches Research Fund, E-cigarette Study Review

CASAA very much appreciates how the community has stepped up to support research efforts. And we are very happy to note that this has resulted in an increase in membership. Thanks to all of you.

Thank you for the clarification, Elaine. And thank you for all your efforts on our behalf.
 

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.....................Hey man !

As consumers we should be glad that the FDA is looking to regulate nicotine products for electric cigarettes right ?. What i mean is, depending on the what these regulations might be, we should be asking how we can benefit from it. Nevermind what you may of heard from whoever about any kind of restrictions that might occur, and think about what good could come from any regulations that are put in place to protect the vaping community. Forget about a ban or restrictions on nicotine and try to imagine that the FDA are actually trying to protect us. Call me naive but but isn't that what regulatory bodies do ?. How many people have been reported to have been killed by overdosing on nicotine ? None that i know of. Maybe you've heard different. So what reasonable evidence might the FDA have to support a ban or restrictions of nicotine products for electric cigarettes ?. Whoever it is that you say is complaining about electric cigarettes, nicotine etc, and is suggesting these restrictions you think might occur, actually need a reasonably good arguement to put to the governing body. So i see that in one corner there are the people that want a ban etc and in the other corner there are groups like CASAA. Obviously you think that without a lobby group such as CASAA the vaping cummunity will cease to exist even though no one is really listening to the people that complain about electric cigarettes in the first place. And that is supposing that people actually are complaining because they hate the electric cigarettes. No one cares about those that hate the electric cigarettes and hating them isn't a sufficient enough reason to ban them. But let me make this clearer. Your saying People that work for the FDA hate electric cigarettes, nicotine etc, so that means they are going to be banned or regulated. Does that sound feasible to you ?. I simply don't believe it. Why, because it sounds so very ridiculous. No one cares how these people "personally" feel about electric cigarettes. And it will never be a reason to ban or regulate them even in a worst case scenario.

You can't trap the fire phoenix, That'd be crazy right ?

I'm afraid you REALLY need a history lesson on what happen in 2009!!!!!!!!!! The FDA confiscated both consumers and suppliers vaping supplies in ports all across the company. They did IN FACT ban vaping. Then they were sued by Njoy and SmokingEverywhere. They lost their initial court suit but still would not give up trying to ban vaping in the US and appealed it to the US Court of Appeals. Thankfully they lost a second time!!! (and you can thank the previous President who put these judges on the court who actually saved our right to vape currently) When they tested 18 cartridges back in 2009, they basically lied to the public about the health risks associated with their tests.

So you need to do some research and not just think that because it doesn't make sense to you why they would ban vaping, that they would not do it anyway. As I stated in an earlier reply to one of your posts, I would strongly suggest you read Bill Godshaw's post and sign up for his newsletter and visit the CASAA site. There is much you will learn about this issue.
 
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IMHO there is cause for concern. But it is not the "zombie apocalypse" as nicknamed in another thread.

Actually I would welcome "some" FDA oversight..............


I'm afraid you are being naive, at best. Since the FDA has already tried to ban vaping and has effectively lied about whether vaping is harmful based on their own tests, having them regulate/restrict vaping supplies is like asking the fox to guard the hen house. Please do some research on what has happened since 2009. If they had been successful back then, you never would have even had a chance to vape.
 

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I'm afraid you REALLY need a history lesson on what happen in 2009!!!!!!!!!! The FDA confiscated both consumers and suppliers vaping supplies in ports all across the company. They did IN FACT ban vaping. Then they were sued by Njoy and SmokingEverywhere. They lost their initial court suit but still would not give up trying to ban vaping in the US and appealed it to the US Court of Appeals. Thankfully they lost a second time!!! (and you can thank the previous President who put these judges on the court who actually saved our right to vape currently) When they tested 18 cartridges back in 2009, they basically lied to the public about the health risks associated with their tests.

So you need to do some research and not just think that because it doesn't make sense to you why they would ban vaping, that they would not do it anyway. As I stated in an earlier reply to one of your posts, I would strongly suggest you read Bill Godshaw's post and sign up for his newsletter and visit the CASAA site. There is much you will learn about this issue.

Unfortunately, very true. If you enjoy vaping, get involved. Consider DIY. If you vape around 5 mls of 24 mg a day you'll need around 500 mls of nic. for a year give or take. Might be worth spending $100 for a backup plan.

I watched cigarettes go from $1.00 a pack to $10.00 in my state. Ordered online and got hit with a big tax bill. In addition to being apprised of what's going on, I'm going to be prepared.
 

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Bumping to keep this on the first page.

For every new vaper posting about how they never thought they'd be able to stop smoking until they tried an e-cig, please join CASAA! Not only so we can keep from smoking, but so that other smokers can have the opportunity to try a less harmful alternative.
 

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Bumping to keep this on the first page.

For every new vaper posting about how they never thought they'd be able to stop smoking until they tried an e-cig, please join CASAA! Not only so we can keep from smoking, but so that other smokers can have the opportunity to try a less harmful alternative.

Same here. Keep this thread alive on the first page. This is too important of an issue with time running out.
 

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Some suppliers seem like they want you to panic and buy a bunch of stuff.

i haven't seen any suppliers involved in any discussions about stocking up because of the FDA getting involved with vaping or any other reason for that matter,these discussions are brought up by people who are paying attention to whats going on in the vaping world and want to be prepared should the worst happen in April when the FDA makes a decision on vaping.
 

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I am stocking up on DIY supplies, but I'm not going crazy. I've got enough 36mg nic in VG to DIY for about 4-6 months, and enough flavorings to keep things interesting.

If the FDA cracks down on bottled juice, I plan to protest by exercising widespread non-compliance. I already have a small circle of friends who will gladly pay me to make "bootleg juice" for them.

Screw the FDA. If they want to kick in my door and point machine guns at me for making juice for my friends, they can knock themselves out. The revolution WILL be televised--or at least live-streamed through USTREAM, and they will be exposed for the extremist jack-booted thugs that they truly are...
 

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I am stocking up on DIY supplies, but I'm not going crazy. I've got enough 36mg nic in VG to DIY for about 4-6 months, and enough flavorings to keep things interesting.

If the FDA cracks down on bottled juice, I plan to protest by exercising widespread non-compliance. I already have a small circle of friends who will gladly pay me to make "bootleg juice" for them.

Screw the FDA. If they want to kick in my door and point machine guns at me for making juice for my friends, they can knock themselves out. The revolution WILL be televised--or at least live-streamed through USTREAM, and they will be exposed for the extremist jack-booted thugs that they truly are...

from here on out we call you uncle jesse. you call me luke. now all we need is a bo and a car with a rebel flag and we be in the vapeshining business
 

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Some suppliers seem like they want you to panic and buy a bunch of stuff.

I have seen a couple of suppliers mention the FDA regulations...but it wasn't like screaming at me to stock up.
Had much more trouble with everything sold out because on Chinese New Year.

Please join CASAA if you enjoy Vaping - It is FREE to join, they won't bug you...and it adds to your street cred !!!
 

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Great response in this thread from the new members, its good to get the word out. I wonder if it would be good to keep a sub-forum under the new members section for educational reasons as I'm sure when your new its hard wade through all the topics on here.

I think we'll have to be relentless and get the word out there, not just on this forum. I've joined casaa, written my state representative, and my local TV station, and the ball is rolling.

Way to go to those of you who have joined CASAA, but don't stop there.
 
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