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So you are saying three things based on these comments: the reason your position has so little support within this thread is because those in agreement with you are not taking the time to comment. Secondly, vaping isn't all that important to you since you could easily just stop vaping. And third, you could care less about those who desperately need vaping to stay off cigarettes and also to heck with all of those who have yet to discover vaping as a means to finally stop smoking, that's their tough luck. At least that's how I interpret your comments. Please correct me if I am wrong but that is how it reads to me.

There are plenty of situations in life where a person might find themselves without cigarettes. I've been in situations where i've had no cigarettes for months and had to go without. Certain circumstances crop up and that's just how it goes. Now with cigarette bans everywhere, especially in the work place, by some miracle smokers somehow manage to get through the day. Where as before any ban they just have to have a smoke and wouldn't know what to do if they couldn't. How do people manage to deal with the existing smoking ban ?. Why aren't they lobbying for their right to smoke ?. I don't see anyone complaining about smoking bans do you !?. And i am talking about existing smokers, not people that have given up and think smoking is disgusting and "should" be banned fom public places. Until someone gives up smoking they think it's fine to smoke in enclosed spaces. People that smoke don't care that they are poluting their immediate environment. One minute they can smoke at work the next it's illegal. Tell me, How do they cope with their addiction in these circumstances ?. Seeing as they are so hopelessly addicted to nicotine. It must be some kind of miracle !.

I realised that my smoking addiction was all in my mind. To me a vaping ban is just a way to give up vaping. It would be ridiculous for me to regress back to smoking.

It seems that a lot of people that vape will almost certainly go back to smoking if vaping gets banned. That's their choice. I will choose not to !. I can take it or leave it. It's a pity others cannot do the same. So ask yourself "why do i vape ?". If your answer is "because if i didn't then i'd go back to smoking" then you haven't considered the more obvious answer. Having to give up vaping doesn't mean a person has to return to smoking. What is the worst thing that would happen if you did neither ?. Nothing will happen. Not a thing. So people are addicted to nicotine. I ask you, What would happen if they had none. Really what would actually happen ?.

I vape 4.5mg nicotine fluid all day everyday. Sometimes i'll use 3.6mg. I have no intention of cutting down or weaning myself off nicotine. I don't care if i can't get any tomorrow. I'll just go without.

I know people that are addicted to this and that. They don't eat properly or sleep properly and they don't take care of themselves properly. But as soon as they get a cold or feel a bit unwell do you know what they do ?. They blame their addiction for their ailments. They'd say "i've got a stomach ache" or they don't have the energy to do anything. I say to them "well maybe you should eat something for a change and get a good nights sleep for once". But no that isn't it. It's the addiction. There's just no talking to some people.

I actually don't think that any government department like the FDA cares less, one way or the other, about anyone that is addicted to nicotine. It's hardly a life threatening condition.

So what's so wrong about being pragmatic ?. If people don't want to smoke they will vape if it is allowed. If people want to continue smoking then they will. And if vaping is banned and someone wants to quit smoking then guess what, they'll give up smoking !. It isn't as if a single person in history never ever gave up smoking because vaping wasn't an option. And not everyone that gives up smoking starts vaping.

So if a ban is imposed that does not mean people have no choice but to smoke. That's a ridiculous assumption !.

You want my support then here it is. If you have to stop vaping because of a ban, please, don't start smoking again !.

Smoking kills !
 

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Stacee,
I have one question...
Why are you on this forum ?

You say that you don't care either way, and that you vape all day.
So- what is the point of your dissertation and interest in whether we should stock up,or not.

I was a 40 year PAD, Marboro Red smoker. I was addicted to cigarettes young...before they even started telling us that ciggys =death.
I was killing myself....and try as I did...and I did...I was addicted.
Philip Morris addicted me...but they were not coming to MY rescue. I was going to die a smoker...making 'money for the man'.
Wait...isn't that a SLAVE !
Well, I found Vaping....and Vaping STOPPED me smoking, and saved me.
Now...'Someone's' wants to take that away from you, me and others who might stop smoking.
To Hell with That- I'm going to fight the man !
 

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Stacee - have you read ANY of the legislative thread?

Obviously he hasn't and really doesn't care to learn.


Here's my answer to Stacee's latest rant. When I smoked, I KNEW it was bad for me and those around me so I didn't fight to keep smoking the status quo in bars and such. Vapor is essentially harmless to those around me and is MUCH less harmful to me while providing my nicotine. I WILL fight to keep vaping an option. It may be all in YOUR head, but I assure you, it is NOT all in mine. Why the hell else was I willing to stand outside in the dead of winter for a smoke break when I lived and worked in Philly? Why would my husband suggest ecigs to me after watching me go through a nic fit while on an airplane stuck on the runway for an hour before takeoff And on landing at the airport we were flying into while waiting for a gate to free up since we were so late to take off?

Hey man! I'm really glad it's all in your head........ Get the hell outta mine! :mad:
 

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So you are saying three things based on these comments: the reason your position has so little support within this thread is because those in agreement with you are not taking the time to comment. Secondly, vaping isn't all that important to you since you could easily just stop vaping. And third, you could care less about those who desperately need vaping to stay off cigarettes and also to heck with all of those who have yet to discover vaping as a means to finally stop smoking, that's their tough luck. At least that's how I interpret your comments. Please correct me if I am wrong but that is how it reads to me.

Thank you. I desperately need vaping to stay off cigarettes!
 

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It's painfully obvious that the people who are NOT alarmed or concerned about the upcoming FDA hearings on electronic cigarettes are ignorant of the past and present. It's painfully obvious that they have only bothered to read the OP's question and not read any of the important discussion within this thread, which I admit has gotten quite lengthly.

For an update to those individuals. The future of e-cigarettes in the United States and the World is in great jeopardy. The FDA is about to hold hearings in April after presenting their proposal of what to do with e-cigs. Within the last few years a similar situation occured when the FDA declared a ban on e-cigs. Vaping supplies were confiscated in customs, hundreds of vendors lost thousands of dollars worth of supplies which they were never able to recover. Obviously, the e-cig users suffered from the consequences as well.

The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes

The FDA's ruling was eventually overturned and a moratorium was set up for another review in the future, which is the upcoming hearings next month. There is no reason to believe that the FDA will not try to ban e-cigs again. CASAA is the non-profit group which will be representing vapors' interest and attempting to preserve our right to continue to use e-cigarettes. There are other self-interest groups who will also be presenting their interests in e-cigarettes, most of which will negatively affect vaping as we know it.

Because CASAA will be our representative and our voice, I urge all ECF members who are not yet members of CASAA to join. It's free to join. If you can, make whatever donation that you can to support the cause. They will be competing against big money players like the tobacco and pharmaceutical companies.

Vapors are losing their rights to vape across the globe. E-cigs are illegal in southeast asia and some counties in the USA already. Nicotine e-liquid is illegal in Canada. Should e-cigs be banned by the FDA again, expect the same to occur quite quickly around the world. How the US goes, so goes the rest of the world. It's time to step up for our rights, or lose them.
 
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haven't read every post on this thread, sry if this was said...but if we all gave CASAA 10% of all our vape purchases the next several months it'd prolly make a significant boost, at a minimal cost to us...

I'd prefer to "match" what the vendors, manufacturers and mod designers put in. I think that is only fair. I don't think end user vapers should foot all these expenses in addition to having to buy stuff to keep vaping.

I do know quite a lot of vapers on this forum who literally are vaping paycheck-to-paycheck. They have like 1 ml of juice left last day of the pay period and scared they won't make it til next week.

Regardless of your involvement in vaping, there is NO EXCUSE not to just join CASAA. Numbers are meaningful, and we need to show there are many of us out here, all vapers.
 

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There are plenty of situations in life where a person might find themselves without cigarettes. I've been in situations where i've had no cigarettes for months and had to go without. Certain circumstances crop up and that's just how it goes. Now with cigarette bans everywhere, especially in the work place, by some miracle smokers somehow manage to get through the day. Where as before any ban they just have to have a smoke and wouldn't know what to do if they couldn't. How do people manage to deal with the existing smoking ban ?. Why aren't they lobbying for their right to smoke ?. I don't see anyone complaining about smoking bans do you !?. And i am talking about existing smokers, not people that have given up and think smoking is disgusting and "should" be banned fom public places. Until someone gives up smoking they think it's fine to smoke in enclosed spaces. People that smoke don't care that they are poluting their immediate environment. One minute they can smoke at work the next it's illegal. Tell me, How do they cope with their addiction in these circumstances ?. Seeing as they are so hopelessly addicted to nicotine. It must be some kind of miracle !.

I realised that my smoking addiction was all in my mind. To me a vaping ban is just a way to give up vaping. It would be ridiculous for me to regress back to smoking.

It seems that a lot of people that vape will almost certainly go back to smoking if vaping gets banned. That's their choice. I will choose not to !. I can take it or leave it. It's a pity others cannot do the same. So ask yourself "why do i vape ?". If your answer is "because if i didn't then i'd go back to smoking" then you haven't considered the more obvious answer. Having to give up vaping doesn't mean a person has to return to smoking. What is the worst thing that would happen if you did neither ?. Nothing will happen. Not a thing. So people are addicted to nicotine. I ask you, What would happen if they had none. Really what would actually happen ?.

I vape 4.5mg nicotine fluid all day everyday. Sometimes i'll use 3.6mg. I have no intention of cutting down or weaning myself off nicotine. I don't care if i can't get any tomorrow. I'll just go without.

I know people that are addicted to this and that. They don't eat properly or sleep properly and they don't take care of themselves properly. But as soon as they get a cold or feel a bit unwell do you know what they do ?. They blame their addiction for their ailments. They'd say "i've got a stomach ache" or they don't have the energy to do anything. I say to them "well maybe you should eat something for a change and get a good nights sleep for once". But no that isn't it. It's the addiction. There's just no talking to some people.

I actually don't think that any government department like the FDA cares less, one way or the other, about anyone that is addicted to nicotine. It's hardly a life threatening condition.

So what's so wrong about being pragmatic ?. If people don't want to smoke they will vape if it is allowed. If people want to continue smoking then they will. And if vaping is banned and someone wants to quit smoking then guess what, they'll give up smoking !. It isn't as if a single person in history never ever gave up smoking because vaping wasn't an option. And not everyone that gives up smoking starts vaping.

So if a ban is imposed that does not mean people have no choice but to smoke. That's a ridiculous assumption !.

You want my support then here it is. If you have to stop vaping because of a ban, please, don't start smoking again !.

Smoking kills !


Why didn't I think of that? All those years I should have just stopped smoking. Genius!
 

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I'd prefer to "match" what the vendors, manufacturers and mod designers put in. I think that is only fair. I don't think end user vapers should foot all these expenses in addition to having to buy stuff to keep vaping.

I do know quite a lot of vapers on this forum who literally are vaping paycheck-to-paycheck. They have like 1 ml of juice left last day of the pay period and scared they won't make it til next week.

Regardless of your involvement in vaping, there is NO EXCUSE not to just join CASAA. Numbers are meaningful, and we need to show there are many of us out here, all vapers.
How do we know that the vendors aren't also already CASAA members and also contributing donations? After all, they have as much to lose as we consumers do?

I fully understand about living paycheck to paycheck. If you can afford to donate, please do. If not, support CASAA by simply becoming a member and supporting the e-cig community here on the forum and educating the public on the importance of the right to stop smoking with the use of e-cigarettes. Once a member, you will be sent updates by CASAA on how to assist the cause by writing government officials, etc.
 
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It's a pity others cannot do the same.
Please, keep your pity to yourself.

So ask yourself "why do i vape ?". If your answer is "because if i didn't then i'd go back to smoking" then you haven't considered the more obvious answer. Having to give up vaping doesn't mean a person has to return to smoking. What is the worst thing that would happen if you did neither ?. Nothing will happen. Not a thing. So people are addicted to nicotine. I ask you, What would happen if they had none. Really what would actually happen ?.
You can't be serious. Did you honestly just deny the existence of a scientifically proven withdrawal syndrome? Why do you think the majority fails the first time they try to quit? Do you really want me to sit here and explain what happens when I don't get nicotine? I'd really rather just say that it isn't pretty. Last time, someone I love almost got hurt. And I am usually the most docile person in the world. I don't care what happens to me so long as I don't have to see people get hurt. That's the kind of person I am. But at the time, I really did not know what I was doing. I didn't regret it until I finally had some nicotine in my system. Until then, I was so blinded by the gripping insanity that I didn't realize I was about to do something I was completely against doing. You're right, a lot of it is in your head, but it's also "in your head" in a very literal physical sense. Your brain chemistry is altered in a way that will affect your mental states. And all some can really do is try to tune out the fact that they have completely lost their minds. Doesn't mean you still haven't completely lost your mind, though. The mental side effects are the product of physical changes happening within your body. You can't just think your neurochemical balance abruptly back into order. And with the neurochemical balance of some people, the effects really bring everything going on up there to a grinding halt.

I literally cannot get through my day without the stuff. It's not just a matter of being miserable and uncomfortable. I don't care if I feel a little ill and agitated. The problem is that I can't even think straight enough to do simple multiplication or mind important, easily noticeable things such stop signs. No matter how I try, I cannot function and that is a major problem for me, as I have daily responsibilities that would suffer greatly from my inability to function at a normal capacity.

I take excellent care of myself, btw. Smoking was actually the last really unhealthy thing to go. It was when I got rid of other unhealthy habits that I came to better ascertain just what the smoking was doing to me. It's an ability you get when you take just a little time to listen to your body and start trying to give it what it needs based on what it tells you. Most people are more than capable of this and do so just fine, I assure you. We continue to administer the nicotine because when our bodies don't have it, they rudely ask what's going on, not because we're mistaking how we feel for generally poor physical upkeep.

And again, I really do not want your pity. By choosing to vape and making the nicotine addiction ~99% less harmful, I am attempting to take the situation into my own hands. Vaping has been the only tool that has been even remotely effective for me. I'd like to just quit nicotine and I'm still trying to, but because of how withdrawal affects me, it's not feasible to just drop it. I've tried many times and payed for what happened in those periods later. It is risky and impractical for me to quit cold turkey, I'm too forgetful to taper, gum makes me so nauseous I can barely eat, and patches give me more intense cravings. You do what works for you and I'll do what works for me, kay?
 
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