Just a side note: Have you look at California and other states regarding {EDIT} ? anywhere there's a chance for a state to make money they will get a hand on it. guarantied.
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Just a side note: Have you look at California and other states regarding {EDIT} ? anywhere there's a chance for a state to make money they will get a hand on it. guarantied.
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Certain pharmaceutical companies see e-cigs as competition that will most certainly cut into their profits, so they wish to have them eliminated entirely. Tobacco also sees e-cigs as competition, but a few companies have purchased their own e-cigs companies and wish to monopolize the market via control of how nicotine liquid will be regulated and sold...to their benefit only. Since they have their wallets in the FDA's hands, they stand a good chance to get their wishes.
The FDA already banned e-cigs a few years ago, which was eventually overturned. They likely will attempt to do the same again. http://casaa.org/deeming_regulations.html
Yes, it is all about money and not so much about consumer safety issues. The end result may not be just about taxes or regulation, but could be an all out ban, as the big money players will come out on top either way.
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And quite a bit more.....some of these vendors have highly developed web businesses and supplier channels....customer bases...reputations....notable mixes......
We just lose vaping (or horribly diminished experience)...they could lose their businesses and livelihoods.....
I foresee stricter regulations...more taxes. The government always likes to stick their nose in and take their cut. Just my 2 cents 
After being cigarette free for almost 7 months now, I'm concerned that it will all be taken away. Yeah I'm stocked up pretty well and have enough juice and supplies to last for a few years. But I'm really disgusted at the ignorance and the evil agendas that want to break something that isn't broken. I know it's all about money for the govt....I get that. But the spouting lies about how e-cigs "are probably MORE dangerous than the real thing." Just makes me sick. Sad to think about "The Golden Years" of vaping ending...and WHY?
I mentioned in my post that a smoking ban didn't really affect people that are addicted to nicotine. Before the ban they'd smoke all day because they thought they needed to, then once the ban was imposed they couldn't smoke for most of their working day. So i asked the question, "how do these people cope when they are so hopelessly addicted to nicotine ?". Everyday they aren't allowed to smoke for,what?, eight hours a day. Maybe get a ciggy brake here and there. So what happened to their addiction ?. People cannot smoke in a bar now either. So, what happened to their addiction ?. Please, Because i simply don't know.
To answer you question. I come to this forum because it is interesting. The subjects people talk about are interesting. And personally i am not going to stock up.
..............So the big tobacco companies want vaping banned then. Why didn't those companies do something about fighting the smoking ban ?. God knows how much money these folks are losing now because people aren't smoking as much as they used to in the places they spend most of their day. I don't see tobacco companies doing anything about that do you!?. And you'd think they'd be concerned wouldn't you. People are smoking less and i don't see the government worrying about a lack of taxes. They're the ones that imposed the ban !.
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That's because the Tobacco giants have been given free reign to do whatever they want however they want in third world countries. Their profits aren't going away any time soon. As for the government, if they get away with this then you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be very soon a sin tax on sodas, fat tax on air travel, you'll need a legal document signing away your medical coverage if you eat at McDonalds.... and it goes on and on and on. There are a very few extremely rich ....***ds who are entrenched in traditional industry so we use oil when Tesla's science has been around for a century, we smoke cigarettes because they're allowed but vaping isn't etc ad nauseum. Why? - Because their fat slimy fingers aren't plunged in that pie up to their necks. And they don't have any plans on sharing their wealth, and ergo power, around any time soon.
So Stacee, how long and how many a day did you used to smoke? And why on earth are you spending money on vaping if quitting is easy for you?
Most people who smoke and work an eight hour day in an office are able to negotiate a morning and afternoon break in addition to their lunch break. So they are able to break up the day into two hour withdrawal sessions. People who smoke and drink have to go outside the bar and smoke every so often. "Addiction" does not equate to constant use every minute of the day. I thought you smoked? You have a lot of basic questions for someone with your extensive background in smoking. Much of what you are saying is inconsistent with a vaper and a smoker, it leads me to believe you are most likely a poser. Your posts are not sympathetic (and it appears deliberately so) in an attempt to get reactions, and you have been very successful in doing so.
I like the effect nicotine has on my brain. If the FDA bans vaping, I will find another way to get it. You may feel free to quit the habit effortlessly. It does affect brain changes that differ person to person, so if your remarkable story is in fact true, the reduced withdrawal effects of nicotine are somewhat unique to you. There is more to nicotine's effect than causing withdrawals. It has a documented effect of improving memory function in the elderly that is not entirely understood.
The FDA does not care about that for some reason, even though that seems like to me to be their primary job as the Food and Drug Administration. I suppose spreading lies on their website about vaping and the people who vape requires a lot of time and effort, so they can't do everything...except spend my tax dollars relentlessly.
Actually I think that @RaceHorse had a great idea. I personally would support vendors who said that X% of all sales went to CASAA. Lets get the vendors on board to show their support in a visible way. If the majority of vendors jumped on board it could raise some meaningful contributions. It would also demonstrate that the industry itself was putting its money where its mouth is.
Call it a "call to action" for the vendors.
Lets start a campaign for the vendors. "5% of all sales is donated to CASAA"
Devise a fancy banner to signify participation, one that includes "$XX donated to date by this establishment"....
Start a thread here to show participating vendors.
I will commit to utilize these vendors FIRST when shopping for vape gear and supplies.
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I used to smoke about thirty a day, i am now in my fourties. I started when i was about twelve, although when i was that age i'd only smoke about five a day. Me and others used to go and hide behind some fir trees next to the school and have a smoke there. And we would get caught every now and then and have to run away. As i got older i'd smoke a little more whilst picking up the habits most are familiar with like drinking coffee whilst smoking, or being in a bar and having a smoke whilst getting drunk, all the typical things that are so familiar with most smokers. Then i found myself chain smoking during periods throughout the day. So first thing in the morning i'd smoke half a dozen with my coffee. I'd do that throughout the day. I stopped smoking about two years ago and now i vape. I am not the type to count the days, weeks etc since i stopped smoking. I can do without the pressure of abstinence from tobacco. So, if i am offered a cigarette i'll smoke it !. Takes away any pressure. But in the last two years i've smoked say, sixty cigarettes. I gave up smoking as a habit, but it isn't a rule i've made to never ever smoke a single cigarette again. It's just the habit i don't want !.
I enjoyed smoking. That's it !. I enjoy a lot of things because there's more to life isn't there. But the fact that vaping is so harmless i do it a lot more than i ever smoked. When i smoked i got into the habit of not smoking when i'm out and about. I continue that same habit with vaping. And with or without nicotine i enjoy vaping because menthol gives me the sensation that i enjoyed from tobacco. I can vape menthol all day. 100% Vegetable Glycerine makes it so very smooth too. Nicotine makes my heart race and i enjoy that. But i can live without nicotine as long as i get my menthol throat hit. I do get the same satisfaction from some other flavours but not as noticeable as menthol. So that's why i vape.
So I am hearing at least a couple times now that there are vendors that are exploiting the possible ban in april by publishing about it on their sites and encouraging stock piling for the vapocalypse. How bout that? Who is doing this and are they doing it in a way that is respectful of their customer's best interests and the best interests all vapers?
I do expect a response when i post a comment, just like anyone else. It is true that i am not sympathetic. Pragmatic would be the word i'd use to descibe my posts. What i've been saying may well seem inconsistent and not typical of a smoker or vaper. My above post may expain my inconsistencies. My posts are sincere. I don't post comments to deliberately make people angry. It's just how i see things.
I use a Kanger T3 with a spinner. I use it all day. Rebuild my own coils.........
I used to smoke John Player Special when i was younger then moved to Marlboro Reds. After that i rolled my own using Golden Virginia or my favourite "old holborn" until i gave up smoking. In a typical week i'd smoke about seventy grammes of tobacco with a filter tip.
Now i vape menthol. And i love it !. There is another flavour i adore. It's "Old Holborn". It tasts like the smell of Old Holborn before it's burnt. It's very nice. I think people refer to that kind of e liquid as "tobacco extract". Unlike those which claim to tase like tobacco but actually taste like "wet dog". I've some of that in the cupboard and it's going to stay there.
As for stocking up on nicotine e liquids. I can get base liquids and menthol crystals from the high street. So i don't think i'll be stocking up at all.
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So my question, without having to read 44 pages of comments if you don't mind, is there a real threat of a ban or restrictions in the U.S. that a new vaper as myself should know about? And if so, could someone point me in the right direction to get pertinent information?
I completely agree with suppliers supporting CASAA, as long as it is not a conflict to CASAA's legal structure. The first word in CASAA is "Consumer" after all. If only suppliers supported CASAA it would be a trade association instead of a consumer advocacy organization. As vaping consumers, don't we have a vested interest in encouraging other consumers to join CASAA?
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I don't think emotion is something thats IN certain people. Stacee is here only for reactions. aka Hes a troll. Or he is in an FDA office having a good laugh surfing through his day and our tax dollars.
I'm not worried for my husband or myself. I have enough stored, and I can soak tobacco leaves for 3mg juice if I have to till the end of our days. I'm worried for all the Mothers, Fathers, Sisters, Brothers, countless Aunts and Uncles out there who smoke. People with familes. People WHO ARE GOING TO DIE early, painful deaths, smoking, never knowing about ecigs.
Ecigs are a miracle. Ecigs = Extra LIFE.
I want to be around to see companies fight over plans for the latest ecig idea, printed on our home 3D printers. I want to see Provari and Vamo and Lavatube make 5-20 more lines of advanced ecigs. Maybe they'll make a Mini-Mini! Who will make the smallest Ecig? Who will market the biggest? What will be the latest mod to hit the market? Who will design it? Whats next after cartos, clearos, and attys? All the innovation will be stomped flat if the FDA has their way.
That would mean current and future smokers will not learn about ecigs. Which will mean more early deaths.
So, stop being selfish. YES we should prepare for the worst, and fight to make things better.
I'm not worried for my husband or myself. I have enough stored, and I can soak tobacco leaves for 3mg juice if I have to till the end of our days. I'm worried for all the Mothers, Fathers, Sisters, Brothers, countless Aunts and Uncles out there who smoke. People with familes. People WHO ARE GOING TO DIE early, painful deaths, smoking, never knowing about ecigs.
Ecigs are a miracle. Ecigs = Extra LIFE.
I want to be around to see companies fight over plans for the latest ecig idea, printed on our home 3D printers. I want to see Provari and Vamo and Lavatube make 5-20 more lines of advanced ecigs. Maybe they'll make a Mini-Mini! Who will make the smallest Ecig? Who will market the biggest? What will be the latest mod to hit the market? Who will design it? Whats next after cartos, clearos, and attys? All the innovation will be stomped flat if the FDA has their way.
That would mean current and future smokers will not learn about ecigs. Which will mean more early deaths.
So, stop being selfish. YES we should prepare for the worst, and fight to make things better.
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Here is where you will find information about CASAA. an organization created to fight for our right to vape. Become a CASAA Member
And about the FDA The FDA & Deeming Regulations of E-cigarettes
It is worth the time to explore the site. It is also worth the time to search ECF for the things pertaining to the FDA.
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..................... Hey man !............
Being a pragmatist doesn't involve being emotional..........
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