Please everyone stop encouraging this guy. It is just a waste of the time it takes to skip over his posts.
should we be stocking up just in case
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I believe that this is a very important topic and should be required reading for all new members of this forum. I will be looking into CASAA myself and I think many more should do the same. I agree that many of us myself included until reading over this thread did not know that the FDA was out to try to destroy our right to an alternative nicotine replacement (or eventual weaning system). Just while reading this I saw the CASAA Call to action - California vaping ban proposal SB 648 at the top of the board. I think we all need to read this link. I got to go I have some reading to do. Thanks to all of you that are giving your time and effort to help all of us live a healthier and more productive life. Peace
I'm hoping that new members can get the information they need. If nothing more than learning about the FDA issues, CASAA membership and how to make your own liquid if you need to at a very reasonable price. I'm expecting that nic stockpiling will ultimately help more members become successful at DIY and more self sufficient in the long run.
We deserve our own show on the Discovery channel. Most of us are preppers, hoarders and couponers already, at least when it comes to vaping!
We deserve our own show on the Discovery channel. Most of us are preppers, hoarders and couponers already, at least when it comes to vaping!
Sorry about that - I replied to a post prior to Caridwen's, Then I read her message and went to delete it myself.
I live in Northern New England- in a very small, rural area.
We do not have vape shops- B&Ms for vape gear, ejuice or education and support.
This is probably like alot of Vapers on ECF that don't live in cities.
I found out about Vaping here...lurking, then ordered a ego-c and some nasty 'bacco juice'.
Thank goodness I ordered some coffee and butterscotch too...or I might have thrown it all away.
Ordered a bunch more juices...but knew I was going to need to DIY my juices if I wanted to stay stocked up....
Because, that is what we folks that live in the country do...we DIY for many things.
And I, for one like it this way...a little handy and self reliant.
I read somewhere that the average city and town person would not have any food if the grocery stores closed for two weeks and there were no deliveries...gasoline- two days !!!....That is not a comforting thought to me.
Because I live out in the country, we MUST have supplies stocked in the pantry, tools to fix things with....and knowledge to get us through.
So, nescessities are stocked, be it sugar and flour or gasoline and ejuice. Knowledge of vaping is obtained and shared here on ECF.
In my world....this is just common sense !
We do not have vape shops- B&Ms for vape gear, ejuice or education and support.
This is probably like alot of Vapers on ECF that don't live in cities.
I found out about Vaping here...lurking, then ordered a ego-c and some nasty 'bacco juice'.
Thank goodness I ordered some coffee and butterscotch too...or I might have thrown it all away.
Ordered a bunch more juices...but knew I was going to need to DIY my juices if I wanted to stay stocked up....
Because, that is what we folks that live in the country do...we DIY for many things.
And I, for one like it this way...a little handy and self reliant.
I read somewhere that the average city and town person would not have any food if the grocery stores closed for two weeks and there were no deliveries...gasoline- two days !!!....That is not a comforting thought to me.
Because I live out in the country, we MUST have supplies stocked in the pantry, tools to fix things with....and knowledge to get us through.
So, nescessities are stocked, be it sugar and flour or gasoline and ejuice. Knowledge of vaping is obtained and shared here on ECF.
In my world....this is just common sense !
I certain understand what you're saying. We retired to Mississippi after a lifetime of oil patch travel and it's much the same here. The only vaping gear I've seen here are disposable e-cigs at service stations. We bought Spinners, Vamos, etc with advice from the forum. It has been a Godsend for us. I've stocked us up some, but we'll be severely affected if vaping supplies are cut off.
TLDR,
i for one am learning how to make my own e-liquid.
so far i find it kindof fun. as long as things have been banned. they have not been able to bann all of the ingredients that make up the "illegal substance" unless your packing some pure columbian. in this case, please expose of such substance for it IS illegal to posses.
Read up, practice, then stock up on all the ingredients you will ned to reproduce your favorite e-liquids. always cheaper by the dozen!
i for one am learning how to make my own e-liquid.
so far i find it kindof fun. as long as things have been banned. they have not been able to bann all of the ingredients that make up the "illegal substance" unless your packing some pure columbian. in this case, please expose of such substance for it IS illegal to posses.
Read up, practice, then stock up on all the ingredients you will ned to reproduce your favorite e-liquids. always cheaper by the dozen!
The worst that will happen is they get banned everywhere cigs are banned. Banning them completely too obviously harms people trying to quit analogs.
I am 'The Lone Vapor !'
The population of the US is 320+/- Million. I understand that there are 40 to 50 million smokers.
Vapers: my guess less than a million. Serious Vapers-maybe one or two hundred thousand or so....
...we are few- but mighty !
We are fortunate to have a good B&M here in Denver called Vapor Leaf. I just picked up some juice there this afternoon. If you've never been to one, it's really cool to see that there are other vapers out there. It's also fun to be in a place where everyone--employees and customers--is happily puffing away!
there's 125k members on here...I like ur #'s, but may be a couple more vapers than u think
I say stock up if you don't want to eventually be taxed..lol.. If your in the US, you know they tax everything.. I figure if they tax it then i will pay for it..Personally i didn't quit tobacco because of money, i did it for health and I love to vape.. They wont ban something healthier than Cigs .. They will make profit off it.. BIG A** BANKERS that's all they are..lmao This is all about the little man not sharing his money with the big man..
Not to mention, what about vapors like me who use 90% of my juices nic free .. How can they properly justify this as e cig ? NO nic = NO cig only flavored juice with same ingredients we put in our foods.. Just what i think tho.. No expert here, just a normal guy doing normal things,,.... lol
I'm a vapor NOT a smoker !!
Not to mention, what about vapors like me who use 90% of my juices nic free .. How can they properly justify this as e cig ? NO nic = NO cig only flavored juice with same ingredients we put in our foods.. Just what i think tho.. No expert here, just a normal guy doing normal things,,.... lol
I'm a vapor NOT a smoker !!
Kyote, that's fine for you since you are essentially vaping nicotine-free e-liquid. The vast majority of vapors depend upon nicotine in their vape to stay off of cigarettes. Any severe regulations and limitations on the strength of nicotine sold in e-liquid could most certainly have a severely negative effect on the majority of vapors.
I apologize for coming off selfish.. I meant no harm, just using that as an example. My wife also uses vaping to replace her cig tobacco.. And my hats off to all of you that have done it.. Hope i didn't offend anyone.. I wish the best for everyone staying quit or quitting the habit.. Again sorry if i came of wrong ..
KY0TE
I have been wanting to stock my freezer with 100mg from wizard labs for over a month but feel I am running out of time. Should I wait or go elsewhere?
You can wait. We don't even know IF the FDA will publish their proposed deeming order and proposed regulations in April and even if they do, nothing in our vaping world will charge for several months afterwards anyways
Yep they'll regulate a max of 14 mg and then tell the world "We were right when we told you it's not a viable smoking cessation program". It doesn't bother me so much as to profits or taxes that will accrue...my main complaint is we are going to lose the freedom to regulate our own vaping prog....we the "minions" that actually proved vaping does work are going to be told how to vape and in what quantities from those very same people that wanted vaping banned and are absolutely clueless in regards to kicking the smoking habit.
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I think a sensible regulation would be to stop the sale of extremely high nicotine base liquids used for diy. Personally i don't use them, but, i do use a perfectly good premade e liquid at 4.5mg. None of you guys would use such a high mg e liquid, or maybe some of you do, but the company i get it from seem to think it's neccessary. The company i am referring to is expanding all the time. They're an english company but have outlets in quite a few countries now including the usa. One of the few companies that label their e liquids with health warnings,expiration dates etc. i copied and pasted this from their site:
"Intellicig has been at the forefront of electronic cigarette research for over 3 years. In conducting blood trials to determine product safety, Intellicig remains a flagship for research. Intellicig employs an in-house Phlebotomist to assist in trials of this nature.
Intellicig has worked with a leading laboratory in the UK to determine the levels of nicotine delivered from the Intellicig to the user. These trials are essential as a method of ensuring the consumer is not put at risk from excessive nicotine levels.
Product shelf life is the key to ensuring consumer safety. Intellicig have conducted stability studies following the International Conference of Harmonisation (ICH) Guidelines for stability testing.
CN Creative have set acceptance criteria for product shelf life based on the British Pharmacopoeia acceptance for nicotine products for inhalation, which is legally binding for medicinal products. By setting strict acceptance criteria, CN Creative have further increased the safety of Intellicig. This practice has not been adopted by other electronic-cigarette suppliers or
manufacturers.
Unlike other manufacturers of electronic cigarette e-liquid preparations, Intellicig have focused on manufacturing technique rather than the addition of preservatives to increase product shelf life. Intellicig believe that consumer safety should come first and the addition of preservative ingredients is not necessarily the first step in increasing product shelf life.
Vapour Analysis
There has been reported concern on the safety of vapour created by electronic cigarettes and the uncertainty of what happens to “e-liquid” when it is vaporised.
The company has conducted vapour analysis of ECOpure produced from the Intellicig in line with test methods carried out by the FDA.
CN Creative are committed to the safety of its products and have exceeded the testing conducted by the FDA to assess all potential breakdown products of electronic cigarettes. CN Creative have
commissioned an MHRA audited lab to test for these chemicals using Gas-Chromatography-Mass-Spectroscopy and Liquid Chromatography-Ultra-Violet Detection. This testing further demonstrates CN Creatives commitment to product quality and safety.
Gas Chromatography Mass-Spectroscopy (GCMS) has also been conducted in an independent third party MHRA audited lab on the vapour produced from ECOpure.
Results from this independent analysis showed no signs of any harmful chemicals or the reaction of nicotine with any of the recipients of ECOpure.
The results illustrated that the vapour contained the same ingredients as the neat ECOpure."
I've bought e liquid from this company for the past two years. It's only been a few months that they have sold a 4.5mg e liquid, before that their highest was 3.0 or a unflavoured 3.6 which they stopped producing. Their e cigs are for beginners so are cig-a-likes and their choice of flavours is limited too. I use their menthol all the time. Regardless of what i find elsewhere i always go back to these guys because their menthol is outstanding.
I know you folks think i deliberately show no support for CASSAA and think i couldn't care less about a ban but seriously, with companies like this going to the all the trouble of analysing vapour and everything else, when i buy their e liquid i feel like i am supporting something somehow. I cannot find another company that do what they do. Even since i first visited their site i read about what they do as far as testing and then providing their results for people to read. So if you think i'm unsympathetic to people maybe your right . But i have a lot of faith in this company and what they do. They are my CASSAA ! I do hope i have redeemed myself a little.
"Intellicig has been at the forefront of electronic cigarette research for over 3 years. In conducting blood trials to determine product safety, Intellicig remains a flagship for research. Intellicig employs an in-house Phlebotomist to assist in trials of this nature.
Intellicig has worked with a leading laboratory in the UK to determine the levels of nicotine delivered from the Intellicig to the user. These trials are essential as a method of ensuring the consumer is not put at risk from excessive nicotine levels.
Product shelf life is the key to ensuring consumer safety. Intellicig have conducted stability studies following the International Conference of Harmonisation (ICH) Guidelines for stability testing.
CN Creative have set acceptance criteria for product shelf life based on the British Pharmacopoeia acceptance for nicotine products for inhalation, which is legally binding for medicinal products. By setting strict acceptance criteria, CN Creative have further increased the safety of Intellicig. This practice has not been adopted by other electronic-cigarette suppliers or
manufacturers.
Unlike other manufacturers of electronic cigarette e-liquid preparations, Intellicig have focused on manufacturing technique rather than the addition of preservatives to increase product shelf life. Intellicig believe that consumer safety should come first and the addition of preservative ingredients is not necessarily the first step in increasing product shelf life.
Vapour Analysis
There has been reported concern on the safety of vapour created by electronic cigarettes and the uncertainty of what happens to “e-liquid” when it is vaporised.
The company has conducted vapour analysis of ECOpure produced from the Intellicig in line with test methods carried out by the FDA.
CN Creative are committed to the safety of its products and have exceeded the testing conducted by the FDA to assess all potential breakdown products of electronic cigarettes. CN Creative have
commissioned an MHRA audited lab to test for these chemicals using Gas-Chromatography-Mass-Spectroscopy and Liquid Chromatography-Ultra-Violet Detection. This testing further demonstrates CN Creatives commitment to product quality and safety.
Gas Chromatography Mass-Spectroscopy (GCMS) has also been conducted in an independent third party MHRA audited lab on the vapour produced from ECOpure.
Results from this independent analysis showed no signs of any harmful chemicals or the reaction of nicotine with any of the recipients of ECOpure.
The results illustrated that the vapour contained the same ingredients as the neat ECOpure."
I've bought e liquid from this company for the past two years. It's only been a few months that they have sold a 4.5mg e liquid, before that their highest was 3.0 or a unflavoured 3.6 which they stopped producing. Their e cigs are for beginners so are cig-a-likes and their choice of flavours is limited too. I use their menthol all the time. Regardless of what i find elsewhere i always go back to these guys because their menthol is outstanding.
I know you folks think i deliberately show no support for CASSAA and think i couldn't care less about a ban but seriously, with companies like this going to the all the trouble of analysing vapour and everything else, when i buy their e liquid i feel like i am supporting something somehow. I cannot find another company that do what they do. Even since i first visited their site i read about what they do as far as testing and then providing their results for people to read. So if you think i'm unsympathetic to people maybe your right . But i have a lot of faith in this company and what they do. They are my CASSAA ! I do hope i have redeemed myself a little.
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