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Had this device about 2 weeks now,
Screen glitch when setting preheat, yup, though I think it only happens when I press the buttons a certain way as mentioned above.

Preheat in power mode seems to work fine, but in power mode my preheats are only 30-50 watts above set wattage, and none of my builds require above 130-150 w, so Im not really pushing it.

Temp control and preheat in temp control. This was the big one, confusing and fustrating to figure out. Using the 316l preset at 510f with a preheat of 120f for .5 sec, could feel and see the preheat kick in but after preheat time was done little to no vapor was being produced. Took the cap off the rda I was using hit the fire button and just watched. What it seems like is happening is that my preheat is taking me over my set temp, so power cuts off until temp drops and then the vapor starts flowing again. Changed preheat to 80w for .25 sec still at 510f and took a puff keeping in mind my airflow and length of draw. This time the vapor just kept coming though at varying rates (temp control doing its job?). Pulled the top cap again and watched it all happen. Sure enough preheat=vapor flying, switched to temp control as preheat timer expired=vapor density changed but it kept coming. Blew on the coils which of course would cool them and more vapor, just let it burn and vapor would slow to trickle and then cutoff and on.

I think this device has a learning curve to it and it does things a bit different than many of us are used to..
That being said I tried the same test with TCR and TFR (input numbers according to steam engine), and had similar experiences.

So what I've learned is that setting preheat to high or to long while in temp control modes could make the experience feel broken, when in these modes and using preheat keep in mind your auctual draw length for the atty your using. On the big airflow atty I was using my draw length is only 3sec, so my preheat time should only be .25sec and not to high temp that the wire retains heat thus dailing the wattage way down to let the coil cool enough to continue applying power.

Damn I hope i wasnt to confusing.
Just trying to help, and for those that truly do have devices that dont work I hope you find your happy ending.

For those that are unsure I stongly advice using a dripper that you can easly pull the cap off, or just leave it off and mess with the setting as I tried, I learned alot thats for sure and I had sucess with producing constant vapor. Now theres still alot of testing for me to do, that was just one build, metal type etc....and Im crossing my fingers that I can really understand and figure this device out because as many have said, love the form factor, menus are easy to navigate, presets for TFR and TCR, it has some real potential. Besides I now have 2 of them and I dont need any more "projects" or "pet bricks".
 

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    From what I can tell.. if you think your tcr is working.. it probably isn't. Try setting preheat to 70-100 watts for .01 secs.. fire that sucker @ 200 degrees then fire it at 570.. its literally acting like it's just in power mode on mine while in tcr. You can alternatively set it to 10 watts preheat for .01 and try the same thing.

    Ahh... exactly the results I was getting with Mod #1 (and #2) in TCR mode.

    10W and 0.01sec preheat @ 200F and I was BLOWING CLOUDS in TCR mode. No confusion here. It acted just like it was in WATTAGE mode. Zero regulation.
     
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    GeorgeS

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    Well tonight good and bad news.

    I vaped on #2 all night in TFR mode and even felt confident enough to bring it to work with me. The USB charges FAST. :)

    Once home I decided to try some of the other modes. I have just one tank outfitted with Ni. Not wanting to damage it I wound up a Ni200 coil and tried the mode. While I was able to get a soft glow on the coil (barely visible in the dark) I felt good enough about it to try the C-Cell Ni200 setup I have. It seemed to work fine.

    Next up was TI mode. Again I only have one tank setup with TI wire so wound up a quick coil on a empty RBA head. I was unable to see any glow. With new confidence I mounted the Ti01 tank and low and behold - it worked as expected! :)

    It would appear that other than the screen, (which seems to signal everything failing on my #1 mod), the problem that carries over from good/bad screen is TCR mode.

    I can live with 5 functional TFR modes but would rather have the TCR modes functional as well. I just have to remember: Invar36, SS430, NiFe30, NiFe48, NiFe70 when looking at the TFR menu - by gawd I'm not going to memorize the TFR values to identify which one is which. ;)

    The bad news here is that the mod mostly works if the screen does not jumble, further confirming that those units with jumbled screens will need to be swapped. The TCR failing hopefully will be a firmware update fix since the fixed settings and TFR modes seem to work.
     
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    I've had my Sigelei 213 for two weeks now and I must say I like this mod. The dimensions are very similar to the Cuboid, which is another dual 18650 mod I like; however, the Sigelei is much lighter; therefore, more pocket friendly. Regrettably I too have experienced the aforementioned cons to this mod: Misfires and Screen Glitch.

    I managed to trigger my screen glitch, only once, when accessing the preheat power adjustment menu:
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    At least it didn't trigger an angry birds screen glitch ;p

    I'm in the process of contacting my vendor to arrange for a replacement. I hope this process will go smoothly. Nonetheless, this is a good mod.
     
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    On YiHi 350J's it asks for the room temperature when you read/lock the coil resistance.

    Anyone figure out the "temperature compensation" feature? It is default "0". Since it goes both + and - temperature I'm guessing it is for - not sure what.
    Wouldn't it be whatever amount over or under 22°C?
     
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    Darthtanien

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    Ok We did some metered tests to day and the devices we have are not regulating temp in TCR or TFR properly no matter the decimal place. If you set the power in TCR mode low enough for your build it seems to be working but is not, it is working as if in power mode. Oscilloscope and Fluke meter verify what we have been seeing in the vape. No reply again from Sigelei. I really think they don't know what to do at this point. I will be calling their warranty service tomorrow.
     
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    did you test the preset TCs for SS, ni200, ti?

    Yes. The Presets are pretty close to what they should be but the TCR / TFR are not working. TCR being the worst. Power mode is within reasonable spec. and works fine. I can only speak for the couple we tested. They all have the screen issue and all the other problems.
     
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    Yes. The Presets are pretty close to what they should be but the TCR / TFR are not working. TCR being the worst. Power mode is within reasonable spec. and works fine. I can only speak for the couple we tested. They all have the screen issue and all the other problems.
    Thanks for this. Hoping sigelei will fix it somehow but I'm not holding my breath

    [edit] isn't this considered false advertising on Sigelei's part?
     

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    Thanks for this. Hoping sigelei will fix it somehow but I'm not holding my breath
    I hope so too. I'm glad at least some people have working mods. I'm going to try to Skype video call with them. Here is hoping the speak English. After that I'm just returning it to OriginVape. I have done enough for this mod over the past week plus. If they say anything positive I will report back here.
     
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    GeorgeS

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    I hope so too. I'm glad at least some people have working mods. I'm going to try to Skype video call with them. Here is hoping the speak English. After that I'm just returning it to OriginVape. I have done enough for this mod over the past week plus. If they say anything positive I will report back here.

    Thanks for going the extra mile on this one. I'm afraid that there's a bunch of owners of faulty units that ether have not tried the TCR or TFR modes or have no experience with functional TC on other mods and don't realize that their mod is not operating as it should.

    Sadly, while still seemingly operational in TFR mode (not all pulls are the same as it would be on any of the 1/2 dozen other mods I have which support TCR) my 213 #2 garbled the screen while adjusting the preheat the last time. The 1st time it has done that.

    The 1st vendor says they'll call me when they have new stock however I don't have high hopes a new mod will be trouble free (currently batting 3 for 3). I'm thinking of using a glowing Ni200 coil in TCR mode to prove my point that the mod(s) are broken.)
    :danger::nah::nah::nah::nah::nah::nah::nah::nah:
     

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    If I choose ss316 from the menu it sometimes works. Since I'm using 316L using the TCR function and the TFR function do not work at all any more for me no matter the wire or the settings.

    why use TCR and TFR for 316L? doesn't the TCR setting only go 4 digits? SS316 and SS16L would be the same at .0009 wouldn't it? i vape my 316L using the 316 setting and have had good results. last night i used TC, 70w 420degrees with 100w preheat for 1.0 sec. when my tank was about out of juice, i turned the temp down to 300 and barely got any vape. mine seems to work good so far.

    sucks you got a defective unit. i hope they work things out with you and hopefully this is not too common of a problem.....and if so, hopefully it's something they can update via firmware.
     

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    why use TCR and TFR for 316L? doesn't the TCR setting only go 4 digits? SS316 and SS16L would be the same at .0009 wouldn't it? i vape my 316L using the 316 setting and have had good results. last night i used TC, 70w 420degrees with 100w preheat for 1.0 sec. when my tank was about out of juice, i turned the temp down to 300 and barely got any vape. mine seems to work good so far.

    sucks you got a defective unit. i hope they work things out with you and hopefully this is not too common of a problem.....and if so, hopefully it's something they can update via firmware.

    First , the decimals are moved one space on all these TC units. On the faulty devices it doesn't matter where you put it, it will not regulate. Second Yes you can use 316l in 316 mode, you just up the temperature. That is not the point at all. That is just an example. What if i want a different wire type? That's what these settings are there for. How did you set the wattage different from the preheat in temp control? 70w 420degrees with 100w preheat for 1.0 sec ? I'm going to do a quick video showing the same build on 2 devices same settings. One bursts in to flames. Guess which one it is. And Yes you can turn the wattage down low enough for the build you are using but than you are just vaping in power mode and when the juice is gone you get burnt hits.
     

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    my bad, the two different wattages are from when i was doing power mode earlier in the evening. i do see your points tho. i'll have to try some of these tests tonight.

    Yep. I'm not trying to pull the wool over any ones eyes here. I'm an engineer and a Union electrician Super for 35+ years. And Before all the old jokes, Yes I'm in my 50's. Just trying to give good people spending their hard earned money on stuff that should do what it claims. Vape on !
     
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    why use TCR and TFR for 316L? doesn't the TCR setting only go 4 digits? SS316 and SS16L would be the same at .0009 wouldn't it? i vape my 316L using the 316 setting and have had good results. last night i used TC, 70w 420degrees with 100w preheat for 1.0 sec. when my tank was about out of juice, i turned the temp down to 300 and barely got any vape. mine seems to work good so far.

    sucks you got a defective unit. i hope they work things out with you and hopefully this is not too common of a problem.....and if so, hopefully it's something they can update via firmware.

    The presets for Temperature control is working, at least in my unit, using 316 for 316L wire, I get temperature conrol. Its the TCR / TFR functions that are not working I believe.

    Its still a good mod if you only vape power mode and don't mind a functionless TCR/TFR. I wouldn't pay more than $80 for this thing however....wait I think I did, was around 90 shipped for me.
     
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