Sigelei 213 owners thread
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So you're telling me that you have an understanding of TCR and it's proper functioning? If so, please do explain how this function does not work (supposedly) on the Sigelei 213. Also, in reguards to reviewers saying the Sigelei 213 is firmware upgradeable. They say that simply because the retailer that sent it to them for the purpose of the review has it listed on there very website. Now, in going to Sigeleis official website from announcement of the 213 i did not see at all where firmware upgrade was listed. So somewhere someone screwed up. Blame ourselves for a lack of understanding is basically what i ment. No mod is setup perfect right out of the gate, sorry not even the DNA mods...no mod. That is why we are given the ability to set our own values. Now, some people tend to go extreme and then say TC does not work...well, that would be true if you went to an extreme.
I have unfortunately found this thread a bit too late... I went out and purchased the 213 from a local BM and got a nice veterans discount and all...eagerly excited to add a different mod to my trusty big hitting IPV5...The 213 not even close in terms of TC accuracy with Ti or SS.
Purchased it on Wed, gave up by Thursday, thankfully my main BM local to me was able to help recoup a bit of the mistake by trading me for a Wismec RX200S model. For those that know, that device is selling for about 45-50$...[emoji24] ouch. Still better than a overpriced VW device that absolutely burns coils in To or no power when using the preset out of TCR mode.
I've been vaping for over 4 years and have never been burned this bad..dry coils or lost/wasted money [emoji6].
I finally did what I should have done in the first place and picked up a VT133 DNA box from Vapnw. I was really hoping that the Sig could provide that DNA "pre-heat" function...the only reason k bought in the the first place...Sorely mistaken. Add to that there is no firmware updates to address...the device will always be lacking... unfortunate.
For those that have the option to return/exchange.... as many of the other knowledgeable folks have been saying on this thread...Do It. Best advice I picked up from the unfortunate pain of others before me with this device.
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Purchased it on Wed, gave up by Thursday, thankfully my main BM local to me was able to help recoup a bit of the mistake by trading me for a Wismec RX200S model. For those that know, that device is selling for about 45-50$...[emoji24] ouch. Still better than a overpriced VW device that absolutely burns coils in To or no power when using the preset out of TCR mode.
I've been vaping for over 4 years and have never been burned this bad..dry coils or lost/wasted money [emoji6].
I finally did what I should have done in the first place and picked up a VT133 DNA box from Vapnw. I was really hoping that the Sig could provide that DNA "pre-heat" function...the only reason k bought in the the first place...Sorely mistaken. Add to that there is no firmware updates to address...the device will always be lacking... unfortunate.
For those that have the option to return/exchange.... as many of the other knowledgeable folks have been saying on this thread...Do It. Best advice I picked up from the unfortunate pain of others before me with this device.
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The issues with TC are not based on "extreme" settings. I've tried the same basic builds that work reliably in my other TC mods .2 dual coils,. 400 deg F heat and approx 45Watts. Nothing extreme about that. Bottom line is that this device simply does not work as intended or expected! I have a $40 Wismec I. My hand that is rocking my Griffin25 with the same exact build that the Sig could not properly TC. No excuses. This simply was a mis for Sigelei. The Fuchai looks like it resolves the issues at half the cost....that's what's extreme[emoji6] IMHO.
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Unfortunately, it's takes some jumping through hoops and extra steps to get it to work, but once you figure it out it works fine.
I'm rocking a rafale rba with 316 ss at .50 ohms with absolutely no issues. I've been using it set at 45w with .35 seconds in preheat, and 490F, and it chucks. I've used the presets, tcr from Sigelei's tool and tfr straight from steam engine with no problems.
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Certainly happy that it's working for ya...for those of us that it has not however...we are equally justified in our disappointment. I personally am a seasoned vapor and am certainly not against tweaking. In fact, I purchased this mod for that very purpose... looking forward to getting my DNA for some good old TC tweaking with accuracy!
Happy Vaping!
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Who sent the vendors beta units for them in turn to send to reviewers? Even given that doubt you're telling me Sigelei never bothered to check any of the info posted on vendors website or given out on youtube? Sure it never said firmware upgradable on their website but Sigelei also never mention that it wasn't firmware upgradable did they?
The TCR "tool" on their website was given AFTER THE FACT that people found out the "standard" TCR values were NOT working on their product. If this Fahrenheit algorithm used by Sigelei is so accurate and better than everyone else's you think they would've touted this better accuracy in their product page or mentioned it to vendors / reviewers they sent beta units to?
Shady business practice is shady business practice. People went in there purchasing this mod with with all the wrong information.
I still don't see your point of "blaming" the consumer.
If you purchased a mod, all the vendors / reviewers stated spring loaded 510 and no information about the 510 was listed on the manufacturers website. Then you get the mod and find out that its NOT spring loaded 510 and you need work arounds to fit different attys, would you blame yourself for NOT understanding how the 510 pin works? Or how to build one? No.
You most certainly have every right to be disappointed. I'm disappointed in the way Sigelei went about the entire thing. They definitely lost most of my trust with the shady way everything went down. It hasn't been an easy learning process getting the mod to function in a way that I'm happy with.
I own two of their mods now and it will be the last two unless they pull off something that revolutionizes vaping forever.
I concur... this was actually my first Sig mod. Super shady. The F vs Celsius, non upg firmware... list is endless. I'm happy you stuck it out to get use out of it....people "should" not have to do that. I'm a certified electrician and when I saw their sorry explanation about Their algorithm being diff from standardized tables, I was like oh hell no, "no thanks"[emoji2]. The form factor is quite amazing tho. Happy you are getting use out of it... definitely share your build/settings/ config for the rest of the folks using the 213...should help peeps out.
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To any potential buyers, these are it's issues. Decide for yourselves if you can live with them.
If you press up and fire at exactly the same time from a blank screen you will get a garbled screen. If you press up a fraction of a second first it won't glitch.
If you press fire button exactly 13 seconds after you last pressed it you will get a misfire. This is exactly when the screen goes off.
I find it reads the resistance 0.01-0.02 ohms lower than other devices. In ss tc mode this will give you a very feeble vape. You can solve this by setting the resistance higher. Fire coil wait for it to come down to the desired resistance and lock it there.
Tcr uses different numbers to all other devices. They have a conversion table on their website. 0.0005 works well for 316 ss (that's all I use, can't comment on other wires). Tfr's default m1 matches up with steam engines numbers for 316L and works well.
My advice, wait for the Fuchai 213 and see if they've fixed these issues. If they do it will be one of the best mods out there, and for half the price too! If all this has put you of Sigelei (which it has me) then get 2 fully functional, upgradable mods, rx200s and cuboid for the same price!
If you press up and fire at exactly the same time from a blank screen you will get a garbled screen. If you press up a fraction of a second first it won't glitch.
If you press fire button exactly 13 seconds after you last pressed it you will get a misfire. This is exactly when the screen goes off.
I find it reads the resistance 0.01-0.02 ohms lower than other devices. In ss tc mode this will give you a very feeble vape. You can solve this by setting the resistance higher. Fire coil wait for it to come down to the desired resistance and lock it there.
Tcr uses different numbers to all other devices. They have a conversion table on their website. 0.0005 works well for 316 ss (that's all I use, can't comment on other wires). Tfr's default m1 matches up with steam engines numbers for 316L and works well.
My advice, wait for the Fuchai 213 and see if they've fixed these issues. If they do it will be one of the best mods out there, and for half the price too! If all this has put you of Sigelei (which it has me) then get 2 fully functional, upgradable mods, rx200s and cuboid for the same price!
It is very clear that Sigelei didn't have to say the 213 is not firmware upgradeable. If it's not listed it's not available, correct?
As for the 510 pin yes i would blame myself...i would blame myself for not looking into said device further and just going off of a reviewers word for it...period! See, it is our fault not the companies fault. I refer to the firmware upgrade option that many say Sigelei said the 213 had. No...again, i looked at there official page from anoouyncement to after release and never seen firmware upgradeable. You can sit there and protect your reviewers but as for me...i don't stretch the truth on anything, tell it like it is and yes reviewers given a beta version from Sigelei themselves were not told it is firmware upgradeable. So, where's your information coming from? Retailers who say anything to sell a product.
I own several devices and many with TC. Does the Sigelei 213 match up? In my opinion, yes. Is the Sigelei 213 a DNA? No, not at all. Again, for it's intended purpose the Sigelei 213 works in TC and TCR(with correct values). I did a dry cotton test on the Sigelei 213 and it passed. My findings....
Anyhow, i will not sit here and do a runaround arguement about the blame. I stated very clearly what is truth and you simply can not handle it.
When I bought my 213 I watched and read every availible review first. Not one review mentioned any of its issues. How would you suggest that I could have " looked into said device further"?
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What issues? Looking into a device is simple:
Step 1) Don't buy something when it first comes out
Step 2) If watching youtube reviewers don't believe everything. Most Youtube reviewers only use wattage mode.
Everything to come out on the market has had flaws. Why? Companies are trying to come out with more and more. People jump on the latest device because it claims to be the best. Simply not true. If you want a device that does everything flawlessly then get a DNA.
What issues? Looking into a device is simple:
Step 1) Don't buy something when it first comes out
Step 2) If watching youtube reviewers don't believe everything. Most Youtube reviewers only use wattage mode.
Everything to come out on the market has had flaws. Why? Companies are trying to come out with more and more. People jump on the latest device because it claims to be the best. Simply not true. If you want a device that does everything flawlessly then get a DNA.
What exactly is this truth you speak of and the lies I'm spewing? All I see are opinions being stated regarding where the blame lies. You think it's the end user. I think its Sigelei. Owning "several devices" doesn't make you any more credible with your own opinions.
Sigelei could've done things better and told the vendors that what they listed on their websites, what the reviewers stated in videos were incorrect information. They could've stated that they used a different algorithm to derive their TCR values and given this tool along with the launch of the product but instead did so the fact.
I do not understand your mentality here. Better company practices with more transparency benefits all end users in the long run. My conclusion about you as a forum member is that you're most likely an elitist.
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"What issues?"
Garbled screen
Misfires
Reads resistance too low
Less accurate tcr as we're only given 4 decimal places to use.
Taking the word of one YouTube reviewer would be stupid. Listening to about 20 reviewers written and YouTube isn't .
Don't need a dna, I have several tc mods that work exactly as intended, for half the price of the 213.
I actually really like the mod now. I've got it working pretty well thanks to the many comments on this thread. They've been really helpful. Your's Haven't.
Garbled screen...never had that
Misfires? Never had that
Resistances reading too low? LOL seriously? I comaped to my ohms reader and darn near spot on
Look, i don't know about your personal experience with the Sigelei 213 but you state at the beginning several issues that would drive even me away. Then you state at the end how you really like the mod after some tweaking. I wasn't one of the first to recieve my SIgelei 213 so maybe you were and happen to get a bad one. I have been fortunate to not get a bad one and thus having no bad experiences.
Obviously I can't comment on your device. Everything I stated is true for mine and most others on this thread. You even say yourself some of the issues would put you off this mod, that's why some people are upset about the device, because they do have these issues! If you don't all I can say is lucky you.
You say your device is damn near spot on to your ohm reader. So is mine, it reads 0.01 ohm less. In ss tc that 0.01 difference equates to over 150f. For ss tc a device needs to be 100% spot on. Not damn near. My other devices are 100% spot on.
I'm not a fanboi or a hater, I own 2 VMAX's (and 4 more on the way). Sigelei's tube mods are rock solid.
Even had one of mine fall out of my pocket, hit the roof rolling and launched off the gutter to land square on my concrete driveway. The tank I had mounted did not fair very well but the Sigelei came out with only a scratch in the paint.
All the positive reviews aside (and even re-reviews) I hope this at least enlightens users as to how much the youtube talking heads actually dig in and use a device before releasing a bunch of babble about it. Personally it takes me a week or two of daily use to decide if a product is worthy of a place in my standard rotation or not.
BTW: the "work around" for having only 3 out of 5 functional TCR memories is to use the TFR memories/settings. All 5 of those do actually work as advertised.
Even had one of mine fall out of my pocket, hit the roof rolling and launched off the gutter to land square on my concrete driveway. The tank I had mounted did not fair very well but the Sigelei came out with only a scratch in the paint.
All the positive reviews aside (and even re-reviews) I hope this at least enlightens users as to how much the youtube talking heads actually dig in and use a device before releasing a bunch of babble about it. Personally it takes me a week or two of daily use to decide if a product is worthy of a place in my standard rotation or not.
BTW: the "work around" for having only 3 out of 5 functional TCR memories is to use the TFR memories/settings. All 5 of those do actually work as advertised.
Funny thing about the resistance for me is that mine consistently reads around .01 higher than my ohm meter. The thing definitely isn't accurate because different people report different results.
I found the most consistent vape for me comes from using the tfr straight from steam engine on my 316l wire. It's the only wire I wrap with so I don't know how it fairs with other wires.
This is the mod I've learned to use tc with, and it's been interesting to say the least. I really wish I would've started tc on an ipv or DNA mod. Oh well, it is what it is.
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