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Thanks to all for the replies, I have a slight Affinity to the sigelei Zs, Have the 3 from 101 vape (2)green, (1)red, (2)V2 SS and (2)V3 SS.......and they are just the ones Ive not taken out of the boxes yet...........maybe Psychosis is a more accurate description of my condition:), so i guess i am a big fan of the Sig's
 

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Voltage regulation for sigelei Zmax V3 and V5 is among the most accurate in the business with battery voltage from 3.3V to 4.2V at all power levels. The 33.3 Hz chip can produce a faint sound from the atomizer or the device depending on power used, battery voltage and atomizer type. This sound has no effect on vapor quality as far as I can tell. 33.3 Hz chips are also used in Vamo, SVD and countless other devices.

PWM circuits of one kind or another are used in all VV and VV/VW APVs. Regardless of frequency used these devices do not make pulsed vapor. Vapor produced by atomizers using power supplied by PWM waft from the coil in an uninterrupted stream. The vapor will not come out looking like a rippled cloud or smoke signals.

I agree completely; while it was a little disconcerting at first, when I first heard that 'stuttering' sound, it really has no effect whatever on the vape itself. Whether I use one of my vv3s (which has no stutter whatever), or the Sigelei, the quality of the vape is really determined, at least 99.9%, by the atomizer, not by what's powering it or what sounds it may or may not make. But, many of us keep saying that, and quite a few seem convinced that the stuttering sound they hear causes some difference in the vape (pure imagination!).

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I agree completely; while it was a little disconcerting at first, when I first heard that 'stuttering' sound, it really has no effect whatever on the vape itself. Whether I use one of my vv3s (which has no stutter whatever), or the Sigelei, the quality of the vape is really determined, at least 99.9%, by the atomizer, not by what's powering it or what sounds it may or may not make. But, many of us keep saying that, and quite a few seem convinced that the stuttering sound they hear causes some difference in the vape (pure imagination!).

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Its not imagination, voltage regulation is a complex field..The new DNA, the old Provari have surperior voltage regulation schemes, results smoother vape. I know I simplified EE101 but that's the just of it.
 

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Its not imagination, voltage regulation is a complex field..The new DNA, the old Provari have surperior voltage regulation schemes, results smoother vape. I know I simplified EE101 but that's the just of it.
Would the heat from a heating element run on DC be superior to heat produced by a heating element run on AC at 60 Hz? What about the light from a DC bulb v. AC bulb? I guess that if one wants "smoother" heat or light DC is the way to go.
 

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I have been using my ZMax as much as possible since I got it during the 30 day return period. Various toppers from 1.3 to 2.7Ω generally at 7-8 watts with RMS. Also using an MVP and VV3 with the same. I don't notice any difference in vaping. No rattle either. Sometimes the VV3 seems to lose some ability when the battery gets low but it's a $25 little battery.
 

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Would the heat from a heating element run on DC be superior to heat produced by a heating element run on AC at 60 Hz? What about the light from a DC bulb v. AC bulb? I guess that if one wants "smoother" heat or light DC is the way to go.

There are no e-cigs with AC, its PWM (square waves) which is different than AC (sine waves)
 

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I'll agree, that's a bad analogy. I maintain that a heated coil is going to produce a fairly consistent amount of heat whether it heated by unpulsed DC from a battery (like with a mech) or pulsed DC from PWM. I don't believe that difference is enough to be noticeable when vapor production is dependent upon coil heat. Heated coils take time to cool down and the pulse rates used by PWM rigs aren't long enough to produce pulsing in vapor production. If PWM is detrimental to vapor production the best vaping possible is the pure DC mech followed by higher frequency PWM as a second choice and 33.3 Hz rigs at the bottom of the heap.

When I put on some music wearing closed Sennheiser HD 280 headphones I don't hear any sound from the Sigelei and the vapor is just as good as that from my non-PWM rig at the same power with the same atomizer.
 

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Would the heat from a heating element run on DC be superior to heat produced by a heating element run on AC at 60 Hz? What about the light from a DC bulb v. AC bulb? I guess that if one wants "smoother" heat or light DC is the way to go.

If Edison (or was it Tesla? one of those genius guys) had only had his way... ;)

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I'll agree, that's a bad analogy. I maintain that a heated coil is going to produce a fairly consistent amount of heat whether it heated by unpulsed DC from a battery (like with a mech) or pulsed DC from PWM. I don't believe that difference is enough to be noticeable when vapor production is dependent upon coil heat. Heated coils take time to cool down and the pulse rates used by PWM rigs aren't long enough to produce pulsing in vapor production. If PWM is detrimental to vapor production the best vaping possible is the pure DC mech followed by higher frequency PWM as a second choice and 33.3 Hz rigs at the bottom of the heap.

When I put on some music wearing closed Sennheiser HD 280 headphones I don't hear any sound from the Sigelei and the vapor is just as good as that from my non-PWM rig at the same power with the same atomizer.

This is what I meant by my comment "pure imagination" -- when you can HEAR something, your mind will go to great lengths to inform you that what you are hearing is *significant*, even when it's not -- it's what the mind does, attempt to find meaning even when there is none. Maybe instead of "imagination," a better term would be "psychosomatic" -- a difference is *perceived* even when it is not really there.

When I've just built a coil, usually for one of my kayfun clones, I generally test it, and then heat it in order to compress it, right on my sigelei. When the coil heats to red, there is NO pulse that can be discerned by the human eye -- it stays solid red till a few seconds after you let go the button. If the human eye can't discern it, I really doubt that any other human sense would be able to either -- but because that pulse can sometimes be *heard*, the brain busily informs you that hey, something is happening, can't you tell? And since your ears can sometimes clearly hear it, then the rest of your brain figures it discerns something too.

It's somewhat on the order of these people who come up with all sorts of interesting reasons why they just can't vape -- their brains, addicted to cigarettes, are busily supplying them those reasons, in order to rationalize something it really wants -- to continue enjoying cigarettes. Brains are truly nefarious at times. :D

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This is what I meant by my comment "pure imagination" -- when you can HEAR something, your mind will go to great lengths to inform you that what you are hearing is *significant*, even when it's not -- it's what the mind does, attempt to find meaning even when there is none. Maybe instead of "imagination," a better term would be "psychosomatic" -- a difference is *perceived* even when it is not really there.

When I've just built a coil, usually for one of my kayfun clones, I generally test it, and then heat it in order to compress it, right on my sigelei. When the coil heats to red, there is NO pulse that can be discerned by the human eye -- it stays solid red till a few seconds after you let go the button. If the human eye can't discern it, I really doubt that any other human sense would be able to either -- but because that pulse can sometimes be *heard*, the brain busily informs you that hey, something is happening, can't you tell? And since your ears can sometimes clearly hear it, then the rest of your brain figures it discerns something too.

It's somewhat on the order of these people who come up with all sorts of interesting reasons why they just can't vape -- their brains, addicted to cigarettes, are busily supplying them those reasons, in order to rationalize something it really wants -- to continue enjoying cigarettes. Brains are truly nefarious at times. :D

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This is one of the most sensible posts I have ever read on ECF. My phone doesnt show a like button on the mobile version of ECF but when I get home today I'll like it twice, if possible.
 

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This is one of the most sensible posts I have ever read on ECF. My phone doesnt show a like button on the mobile version of ECF but when I get home today I'll like it twice, if possible.

Well, that last paragraph I wrote, about people coming up with interesting reasons why they can't vape -- I've had to look very hard at myself, given that I have temporarily returned to smoking, but I can honestly say that my brain did not imagine my serious problems with dehydration, the swollen and painful feet and ankles, nor the appendicitis, or the vomiting and ........ that just made the dehydration even worse, and it's a medical fact that dehydration, pushed to extremes, can be a serious medical condition in its own right, and is especially dangerous for a person recovering from a serious ailment. But I have *not* given up on vaping; to me it's a godsend, the *only* thing I have ever tried that let me *very happily* abstain from cigarettes -- and as an asthmatic 39 yr smoker, abstaining from cigarettes is something I desperately need and would really like to be able to do -- vaping gives me that freedom.

I've finally gotten rid of the swelling in my feet and ankles, and the bottom of my feet no longer hurt just to walk on them; some residual pain in my legs, which I feel mostly when I first awaken, before I get up and walk around, so I don't really know what that's about, because as soon as I get up and walk, it vanishes. So I'm starting to vape again, carefully, keeping my eyes on what happens to my feet and ankles, and with a few new things to try -- diluting high-VG ejuices with purified water, so that maybe they won't smother my lungs so badly with their thick viscosity; finally got the PEG400 I ordered, and I'm starting to try my hand at the DIY thing; it might take a little while to really get the hang of making good ejuice, but hey, it took a while to get the hang of all this stuff, so I'm in -- and above all else, paying EXTREME attention to my hydration, keeping with the coconut water regimen, and just generally trying to make sure that vaping won't cause me a huge problem in its own right, because it relieves so many other problems.

I think I am living proof that if a person REALLY WANTS to vape, they can probably find a way. It might not be easy, but so WORTH IT!

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Andria, don't know if you've seen this, but here ya go, everything you've always wanted to know: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/3305-list-symptoms-when-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

Yeah I read that back when I first started, and it doesn't have a single thing to say about foot/ankle edema. I had to go hunting for myself, to determine that that type of edema can be a symptom of massive dehydration -- which is, very obviously, a symptom of high-PG usage. I think mine was so bad and so pronounced because I have struggled with dehydration for *decades*, fighting the leg cramps almost nightly. It was only when I started drinking the coconut water twice daily that the swelling, which came back after my illness just as soon as I started trying to vape again, has finally gone away. So the coconut water is truly a godsend for such severe dehydration, and I plan to continue drinking it daily, since I'm making every effort to get back to full-time vaping.

I'm making a little progress already; today's smoking is only at about half what I have been smoking, in the last couple weeks since I went back to it, since I've been vaping some thinned-down higher-VG ejuices today. I still have some of the 85% VG virginia that I tried when the swelling got so bad, since I had to discontinue it when I found I couldn't breathe. I mixed it with some purified water, about 75% ejuice to 25% water, and mixed that with some of the 73% PG I was vaping before I got sick, for a total mix of around 40% PG, 9mg nicotine. It tastes just fine, so I'm substituting vaping that for some of the cigarettes I feel like smoking. Any reduction in smoking is a wonderful thing for my poor lungs! No idea how I endured smoking for the last 30 yrs since I was diagnosed with adult-onset asthma, since just 2 wks of smoking has made a huge negative impact on my lungs and my asthma symptoms.

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I vape 82% VG with 18% distilled water, drink over 1 gallon of water a day, and still suffer from dehydration. It's not extreme dehydration with all that water consumption but it's still there. The tiniest bit of a headache is my first sign. VG is also very dehydrating.
 

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I vape 82% VG with 18% distilled water, drink over 1 gallon of water a day, and still suffer from dehydration. It's not extreme dehydration with all that water consumption but it's still there. The tiniest bit of a headache is my first sign. VG is also very dehydrating.

You might try out the coconut water, it's really miraculous how it's helped me. It's a bit on the sweet side, at least to me, so I add maybe an ounce of pineapple juice to about 7 oz coconut water -- it's sort of a healthy virgin pina colada. :D Works great, I'm just amazed at how the swelling in my ankles and feet has just disappeared. I buy the Goya brand, because other brands I've tried have that "salty" taste like sports drinks, which is just gross to me.

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Hope things better for you soon AndriaD. I had some problems with edema at the ankles and lower legs. It's a pain. My case was caused by inactivity and too much time spent sitting after breaking a leg.

I was checking out Varitube today and noticed that their flat top Sigelei V3 is out of stock. This is the first time I've seen that happen with this vendor. They say the flat tops will be back in stock this week.
 

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Hope things better for you soon AndriaD. I had some problems with edema at the ankles and lower legs. It's a pain. My case was caused by inactivity and too much time spent sitting after breaking a leg.

I was checking out Varitube today and noticed that their flat top Sigelei V3 is out of stock. This is the first time I've seen that happen with this vendor. They say the flat tops will be back in stock this week.

Yeah, I'm a little too sedentary myself, and it might be a factor; I had said I was going to start taking walks, after I quit smoking, but that never happened, and now it's such hot weather, the only time it might be possible would be at 6am. I'm never awake then. :D I'm a little too nervous of my neighborhood to go out walking by myself, but right now, the evenings when my husband might join me are still so hot, even after dark, I can't force myself to spend much time out there. Maybe we'll get one of our traditional cool-down periods in August.

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