Sigelei Zmax V3 and V5 Telescopic: User's Group

[Kat Eyez]

No such thing as a silly question. There are seasoned veterens that don't understand when stacking batteries works best. IMO I got the zmax to work in mini mode. I like small mods. I got tired of changing out 4 batteries a day pretty quickly. I got a couple of 18490/18500 and they were better, still didn't last a whole day, which also wore thin.

Then I came in here and learned about stacking 2 18350's and the sea parted. I kid you not. I had a whole new vape experience that quickly became #1 (including my provari). At the MoVapes price I've boughted 3 more, 2 for friends and 1 to backup my backup. I have tried explaining why stacking is so cool in the zmax (not all mods work well with stacked batteries) and quite frankly, it doesn't work. Stacked batteries have been abused in the past with mods that were not designed to be used that way. The Zmax was designed for them. I think it's our little secret in this corner of the web.

So IMO, you'll either want the long or short use of Zmax. I wouldn't bother getting a middle sized battery. At least try it out first. You may want to sink your money into a nice atty or a backup Zmax instead.

I haven't noticed much difference between AW and Efeast. I think the main difference is where you buy them so you don't get caught with rewrapped counterfiets. No ebay, no ali ....'s, etc. RTD, Wong has an order thread on another forum, Illum supply (or something, they just changed names). etc. Know your source.

I'm pretty stoked to hear you so confident in the stacking [emoji16]! Since this is my 1st go around with removable batteries I, like many others I'm sure, took PBusardo's as the king of all vape knowledge (lol) and was terrified to try. But after hearing y'alls advocacy I'm definitely going to hv to try that out. Although I must admit, i put one of the Panasonic 18650's I got in each new mod (svd 2.0 & zmax v5) and hv been vaping steady all day on zmax and even since yesterday on svd 2 and the charge is still completely full!! Pretty impressive! That's not to say they won't digress over the long haul tho. However I will be taking your advice and grab a couple 800mah 18350's!

I'm loving the Zmax BTW! Thanks to all who suggested it to me a couple weeks ago! I honestly can't tell much of a difference between it and the svd 2 as far as vape quality. For me it largely depends on my tank. I got a nasty batch of butterscotch and tainted my aerotank so until that's all outta there I'm preferring which ever mod has my nautilus lol.

 

[Kat Eyez]

I still see them. There was a link above showing a V5 in what looked like black chrome. I've also seen some of the telescoping ones in colors (the interior tube was silver, kinda weird IMO). So someone is messing around with them (I thought Sigelei had a couple of factories???) I was kinda disapointed that Pbusardo and Dimitri's trip didn't include a visit to Sigelei. I guess SJ is going to have to do it for us.

I find it hard to believe too with this push on higher wattages. I can't deciede if that's a passing phase or not. It's kinda rude that the newest tanks won't work on 99% of what I already own. (I'm not into doing my own coils). I'm not very enthusastic about anything without a replaceable battery < $100 right now. I've been looking.

And why should I feel forced into buying something new just for a new tank system? All I really wanted was 22mm.

I'm so with u on the high wattage stuff. Maybe it's just me or I'm not doing something correctly but I can't stand the vape I get on high wattage. It's so much smoother and flavorful under 10w. But I don't do rebuildables or care much about sub ohms. But that's just me.

 

[Kat Eyez]

V5 for 32.99
Sigelei ZMAX TeleScope V5

That's where I got mine!! U dah best Yzer [emoji106]!

 

[PaulBHC]

Amazon is a dangerous place. I've never seen full size Zmax's in colors before tonight. $26 + shipping. It's kinda fun finding Zmax's hidden in corners around the web. Outtadate? HA. I think not.

Amazon.com: Sigelei ZMAX V3 Telescopic Variable Voltage Mod For 18350 / 18500 / 18650 in Metallic Red: Everything Else
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I think those are aluminum not SS. Shipping is 6.25 which is high. It's a V3 and it doesn't say if it has two caps. Pic is short cap, I think you need long cap to stack.

 

[JeremyR]

Well cat eyes if you don't need the extra from stacking then just skip it.. But in the future if you get into more advanced things... Know that the zmax can grow with you.

And yeah high wattage can only be done on certain tanks or rbas. When you get more advanced it works out. I wouldn't put 24w to an evod or nautilus.. But I get less burnt hits than I ever did with old clearos and such using rdas and rtas. Things like an evod or nauti cap out around 12w without modifications to airflow and wicking, cartos cap at 8-10..

 

[VapieDan]

Amazon is a dangerous place. I've never seen full size Zmax's in colors before tonight. $26 + shipping. It's kinda fun finding Zmax's hidden in corners around the web. Outtadate? HA. I think not.

Amazon.com: Sigelei ZMAX V3 Telescopic Variable Voltage Mod For 18350 / 18500 / 18650 in Metallic Red: Everything Else
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It appears the same seller has V5s in assorted colors as well for the same price:

http://www.amazon.com/Sigelei-Varia...bs_misc_9?ie=UTF8&refRID=0TT6VTSF88Y1HKJQQ4TT

 

[aikanae1]

It appears the same seller has V5s in assorted colors as well for the same price:

http://www.amazon.com/Sigelei-Varia...bs_misc_9?ie=UTF8&refRID=0TT6VTSF88Y1HKJQQ4TT

If I remember right, there isn't a lot of difference between the V3 and V5 outside of the USB /menu. I was under the impression with telescoping mods, the extended cap wasn't required??? Now I want to know.

I use several Zmax ss mini's with a wide variety of extensions so I can't check it out. I gave the V3's away.

P.S. Some Vamo extension used to be compatable with Zmax. FT forums has a thread compatabilty chart.

 

[PaulBHC]

If I remember right, there isn't a lot of difference between the V3 and V5 outside of the USB /menu. I was under the impression with telescoping mods, the extended cap wasn't required??? Now I want to know.

I use several Zmax ss mini's with a wide variety of extensions so I can't check it out.

P.S. Some Vamo extension used to be compatable with Zmax. FT forums has a thread compatabilty chart.

Link if you have one.

The short cap is for 18350 and make the mod as short as possible. The long cap allows 18490 to almost close the gap with a button top and a little extra room for stacked 18350 setups.

 

[aikanae1]

Link if you have one.

The short cap is for 18350 and make the mod as short as possible. The long cap allows 18490 to almost close the gap with a button top and a little extra room for stacked 18350 setups.

No link. SJ "custom" mini's. I think there's a few others here with them. Got the extended cap, short cap and an extension tube. Right now I've got stacked batteries with the extension tube and short cap. This also works for 18650. The extended cap alone is good for 18490/18500's. Short cap alone is single 18350.

But that's why I don't know what the telescoping requires to run stacked batteries. I don't want to be leading people astray if the latest version aren't coming with the caps required to run stacked batteries. I just assumed telescoping = all battery configurations. I don't think anything has changed electronically.

 

[PaulBHC]

Also the V5 display has "Out x.xW or V" top line and battery graphic / puff count on bottom line. Top line can be changed from watts/volts to resistance or amps or just time of puff. Timer is useless since you can't see the screen while you puff and it goes away when you let go and if you hold it you are adding time. Silly at best.

 

[PaulBHC]

I just tried my V5 with two efest button top 18350s and the short cap. I had to unscrew the tube almost all the way off to get the cap on and after lightly tightening the tube there are a few threads exposed.

 

[aikanae1]

Flat tops only then?
Sounds like a tight fit.
Thx for checking on that.

 

[yzer]

I have seen inexpensive Sigelei Zmaxs with colored metal bodies before. They features colored aluminum tubes, not stainless steel.

The V3 and V5 have been sold with one battery cap or with two battery caps. One cap length measures 10mm and the other is 15mm. The short cap makes it possible to have a V3 or V5 that measures 100mm with 18350. With the long cap a V3 or V5 measures 105mm with 18350.

Stacked 18350s will fit V3 and V5 better with the tall cap. Stacking with the short cap is possible but it may leave tube threads exposed.

Overall length of the V3 and V5 with 18490, 18500 and 18650 in not improved by using a short battery cap instead of a long battery cap so long as the battery spring is equally compressed when using either cap.

V3 and V5 use either button top or flat top batteries. There isn't the slightest reason to prefer one over the other for use in the V3 or V5. If there is a difference in length of 18xxx batteries of the same size it will be less than 1 mm. Variation in battery spring compression alone is far larger than 1 mm.

The long cap is easier for some V3 and V5 users to get threaded onto the tube than the short cap.

 

[yzer]

Sigelei Zmax V5 has several useful advantages over V3.
-two lines of info on the OLED display when fired instead of one.
-puff counter
-shows battery gauge icon in addition to battery power at Menu Item #4.
-will display firing current

and two less useful features...
-cell phone battery charger accessory
-puff timer

 

[molimelight]

I was searching through the thread trying to find the alternatives listed for Noalox and ran across Carbon Conductive Grease which in further searching led me to this:



DeoxITFaderGrease

Anyone used this for threads on the Sigelei? It looks a little cleaner, less gritty than Noalox and it's conductive. The 28 gram jar would last a good long while.

 

[yzer]

I have wondered if Permatex Dialectric Grease would work on tube threads. I use it on the boat and car.
Permatex® Dielectric Tune Up Grease (81150) - Automotive Grease & Lubrication - Ace Hardware

I swore by Noalox for a while and then stopped using anything on the tube threads. Cleaning the threads with a cloth dampened with rubbing alcohol has worked as well as anything I tried putting on the threads. Plus, the tubes will spin quickly for changing battery sizes if there is no goop on the threads.

Most of the problems I attributed to conductivity at the tube threads was probably caused by switch misfires. Replacing the switch fixes that.

 

[JeremyR]

Lol! Yzer.. Remember the first time we spoke.

I really do think it works.. I have the original switch and it did cure my issues.. I only clean and change every 2-3 months. Its still fine when I clean it.

The noalox is cheap and easy.. Molimelight If you want to check those detox out I would look at their d line. It looks to me like one you posted is not as good for us as thier D line. The fader is a grease and not as many benifits as these.. Check it out.

DeoxIT® D-Series - Contact Cleaner & Rejuvenator

 

[molimelight]

I have wondered if Permatex Dielectric Grease would work on tube threads. I use it on the boat and car.
Permatex® Dielectric Tune Up Grease (81150) - Automotive Grease & Lubrication - Ace Hardware
I swore by Noalox for a while and then stopped using anything on the tube threads. Cleaning the threads with a cloth dampened with rubbing alcohol has worked as well as anything I tried putting on the threads. Plus, the tubes will spin quickly for changing battery sizes if there is no goop on the threads.
Most of the problems I attributed to conductivity at the tube threads was probably caused by switch misfires. Replacing the switch fixes that.

Thanks yzer, I hadn't thought of that and I use it all of the time on my outdoor equipment. I'm going to be doing the switch replacement down the road here. Out of the two that I bought from MoVapes the first one's switch started acting up pretty quickly. The second one does it on occassion, so I know the replacement is in the future. I'm enjoying the V3 right now though. I've been using the Protank II with the air base on it and combined with the 1.9 ohm coils that I build with organic cotton, it does everything I want it to do. The only weakness besides the button was the attachment of the PT II. If I screwed it down tight it would short. I bought some of these, The "B" version from Smoktek and I screw them down almost all of the way and it allows me to tighten the PT II down and supports it much better.


eGo DCT Cone - Type B

Lol! Yzer.. Remember the first time we spoke.

I really do think it works.. I have the original switch and it did cure my issues.. I only clean and change every 2-3 months. Its still fine when I clean it.

The noalox is cheap and easy.. Molimelight If you want to check those detox out I would look at their d line. It looks to me like one you posted is not as good for us as thier D line. The fader is a grease and not as many benifits as these.. Check it out.

DeoxIT® D-Series - Contact Cleaner & Rejuvenator

Thanks Jeremy, I may try the dielectric grease for now. I don't have much of a knowledge base to judge one against the other, so if things stay the same and it's not as dirty and gritty as the Noalox gets, I'll consider it a success for now. But, like I said, I'll be ordering some buttons from DigiKey. I consider the V3 a heck of a deal for $25.00 button problems or no!

 

[fairmana]

I was searching through the thread trying to find the alternatives listed for Noalox and ran across Carbon Conductive Grease which in further searching led me to this:

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DeoxITFaderGrease

Anyone used this for threads on the Sigelei? It looks a little cleaner, less gritty than Noalox and it's conductive. The 28 gram jar would last a good long while.

Based on some quick research I just did on that product, it doesn't appear to be well suited to the application. It seems to me to be more of a lubricant than anything else. The same company (CAIG) makes a grease that contains copper particles which would be much better IMO (copper is a fantastic conductor). They make it in both a lithium or mineral base (L260Cp and M260Cp part numbers respectively). My only concern would be the safety of using it. The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on these products (L260Cp and M260Cp) contains some information that is concerning, but often the MSDS can scare you when there really isn't any major issues when treated with care. I would still proceed with caution and do more research on the substances contained in these greases before using them.

Edit: Both products I mentioned come in the same style plastic jar as the one you shared.

 

[JeremyR]

Dialectric is not conductive, I wouldn't buy it for that pourpose. Thought we already determined that..

A dielectric material is a substance that is a poor conductor of electricity, but an efficient supporter of electrostatic fields

The type d prevents arching and intermittent contact.. Exactly the issue in the threads.. They have one for 4.00!