Been using vision spinners and evods, but want to step up my setup, ive narrowed my choices to sigelie zmax v5 and innokin svd. Both are around 50-60. Should i go with one of those or save up and shell out the big money for a provari?
Sigelie zmax v5 or innokin svd.... Or do i just save and wait for a provari
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Oh, dear. Here we go again.... 
Let me ask you, how long are you going to be vaping? Are you in this to stop smoking and eventually stop vaping? Or do you enjoy your nicotine and plan of vaping for the rest of your life?
The ZMax and SVD are nice mods and will give you a nice vape, but they likely won't last more than a couple of years if that. They are made in China and made cheap to be able to sell them cheap. Once they break they can not be repaired and become an expensive paperweight.
A Provari on the other hand is made in the USA and designed to last years, and unlike the other two it can be fixed by the manufacturer should it need repair, for life. It is a investment tool for the long term vaper. You pay a little more for higher quality and great customer service.
Why Provari?
Let me ask you, how long are you going to be vaping? Are you in this to stop smoking and eventually stop vaping? Or do you enjoy your nicotine and plan of vaping for the rest of your life?
The ZMax and SVD are nice mods and will give you a nice vape, but they likely won't last more than a couple of years if that. They are made in China and made cheap to be able to sell them cheap. Once they break they can not be repaired and become an expensive paperweight.
A Provari on the other hand is made in the USA and designed to last years, and unlike the other two it can be fixed by the manufacturer should it need repair, for life. It is a investment tool for the long term vaper. You pay a little more for higher quality and great customer service.
Why Provari?
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I've had my SVD for a year. I've used it every day all day and it looks and performs like brand new. On the other hand, the MVP 2 is a more versatile device in the long run, comes with a battery and can be had for $40 at 101vape.com. I think you will find a significant improvement with either device.
You might want to grab an MVP for now and save for either a provari or dna30 mod down the road. There is a lot of new tech coming out right now so I am sitting out for a few months to see what shakes out. I've heard rumors of a new provari model. Also, don't forget the REO mods!
You might want to grab an MVP for now and save for either a provari or dna30 mod down the road. There is a lot of new tech coming out right now so I am sitting out for a few months to see what shakes out. I've heard rumors of a new provari model. Also, don't forget the REO mods!
I have searched through many threads, I understand the provari is a tank and will last forever. I was just curious as to the performance from the others such as the rattlesnaking effect i have heard of and other performance things like consistent power to the device, instead of jumping around at different volts. This would be for use at home and during weekends. And i was a dipper for 5+ years so i love me some nicotine. I did not intend for the question of is a provari worth it, but what someone who might have had any of these 3 could compare
A question would be in relation to this post of a provari, what kind of chips are in the zmax5 and svd?
From a fully charged battery until that battery needs to be replaced, there will be no drop off in vapor quality as the battery is used. Your last puff will be as good as the first. The processor continuously monitors the battery voltage, and adjusts the voltage automatically to maintain the user setting within 1% accuracy.
The regulator uses PWM (pulse width modulation) at 800+ Hz frequency, which many owners describe as a "smoother vaping experience" when compared to many other mods. The vast majority of other mod processors use a lower 33.3 Hz frequency (the rattlesnake effect).
A question would be in relation to this post of a provari, what kind of chips are in the zmax5 and svd?
From a fully charged battery until that battery needs to be replaced, there will be no drop off in vapor quality as the battery is used. Your last puff will be as good as the first. The processor continuously monitors the battery voltage, and adjusts the voltage automatically to maintain the user setting within 1% accuracy.
The regulator uses PWM (pulse width modulation) at 800+ Hz frequency, which many owners describe as a "smoother vaping experience" when compared to many other mods. The vast majority of other mod processors use a lower 33.3 Hz frequency (the rattlesnake effect).
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The ZMax and SVD both use the 33.3 Hz chip, the so-called "rattlesnake effect".
I was gifted a Mini ZMax, and tried hard to like it. However, I had already been spoiled by a Provari. The vape was slightly harsh and hotter than what I had been used to with the Provari, even if I turned the power down lower. To me, the Provari put out the power that was intended by me, and seemed to be a smoother vaping experience. I ended up giving the ZMax to my daughter.
Although the SVD and ZMax use voltage regulation, it is not as accurate as the Provari's. With the Provari the last puff will be exactly as the first.
I was gifted a Mini ZMax, and tried hard to like it. However, I had already been spoiled by a Provari. The vape was slightly harsh and hotter than what I had been used to with the Provari, even if I turned the power down lower. To me, the Provari put out the power that was intended by me, and seemed to be a smoother vaping experience. I ended up giving the ZMax to my daughter.
Although the SVD and ZMax use voltage regulation, it is not as accurate as the Provari's. With the Provari the last puff will be exactly as the first.
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I guess it really depends on what your long term goals are. I have 4 Chinese mods and 4 American mods. I went through a bunch of Chinese Fast Tech clones that I no longer own. If you are someone that will continue to aquire devices in the long run it will be cheaper to get a Provari now, as opposed to buying $20-$30 clone again and again......then sell or give them away and get a Provari.
By the way, one of the Chinese mods I own is an SVD. It works fine, but since I never use it that is not a good test of its durability. I have had an MVP and it was a quality device.
By the way, one of the Chinese mods I own is an SVD. It works fine, but since I never use it that is not a good test of its durability. I have had an MVP and it was a quality device.
From a long-term standpoint, a well made DNA 30 APV with good machining and replaceable batteries will beat anything on the market. I don't think there is one yet (I may be wrong on that point) but once there is, nothing currently on the market will be able to touch it since it will combine all the advantages of both a high end APV and a mechanical.
It depends on the vaper. If I never vape above 12 watts then the extra 18 watts of the DNA 30 are wasted.
The manufacturer must make lots of decisions between quality and cost. Provari, and Innokin and some others, have a reputation. They must continue to product at the same level to maintain their reputation.
I have both Provari and Innokin mods and it is easy to tell which ones cost over $100 and which ones are under $100. They both work and in the 3 months I have had them none have broken. For the long haul I like Provari. Just cause I like it does not mean you should.
The manufacturer must make lots of decisions between quality and cost. Provari, and Innokin and some others, have a reputation. They must continue to product at the same level to maintain their reputation.
I have both Provari and Innokin mods and it is easy to tell which ones cost over $100 and which ones are under $100. They both work and in the 3 months I have had them none have broken. For the long haul I like Provari. Just cause I like it does not mean you should.
Hcigar Hana Modz clone.
DNA20 device. Costs about $100. Should be hitting store shelves any day now.
DNA20 device. Costs about $100. Should be hitting store shelves any day now.
Actually it looks to be a clone of the DNA30 board (the board itself is a clone along with the mod)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...its-way-1-1-design-1-1-chip-15-days-away.html
Out of curiosity where are you getting that information?
Because Hcigar themseleves say it's a DNA20 clone, not DNA30.
Hana mod - Shenzhen Hcigar Technology Co., Ltd.
Considering the FDA regulations, if you plan on vaping for a long while then I recommend saving up to buy something that will last for a long time. If you want something for immediate use as you are saving up, get the iTaste MVP 2 or iTaste VVv3 from 101vapes. Innokin makes great products, and those two do not have the rattlesnake effect. The MVP can be found for around $40 and the VV v3 can be found for around $25. I would recommend the SVD, however unlike the MVP and VVv3 I've read that it DOES have the rattlesnake effect.
As for the device you would be saving for, the only one I can personally recommend is the Provari, as that's the only high end device I have. However, I am very interested in the DNA 20 and 30 devices and may get one of those as well. Likely, I'll get a DNA 20 device. I vape at 8 to 10 watts, and I doubt I'll ever have the desire to go to 20 watts, let alone 30. That's why I got a Provari as my first high end device. I'm not a cloud chaser and I don't desire sub ohms and higher wattage levels. Really, I wanted something built to last and if at all possible, in pink or some other girlie color. Hence the Provari. If you get something like the MVP or VV v3 first on the cheap, and find yourself at the highest settings and wanting more, I would wait and see what DNA 30 devices will be coming out and save my money for one of those.
As for the device you would be saving for, the only one I can personally recommend is the Provari, as that's the only high end device I have. However, I am very interested in the DNA 20 and 30 devices and may get one of those as well. Likely, I'll get a DNA 20 device. I vape at 8 to 10 watts, and I doubt I'll ever have the desire to go to 20 watts, let alone 30. That's why I got a Provari as my first high end device. I'm not a cloud chaser and I don't desire sub ohms and higher wattage levels. Really, I wanted something built to last and if at all possible, in pink or some other girlie color. Hence the Provari. If you get something like the MVP or VV v3 first on the cheap, and find yourself at the highest settings and wanting more, I would wait and see what DNA 30 devices will be coming out and save my money for one of those.
Greetings and welcome to the forum. It's not a bad idea to think about getting the Innokin APV now, and saving for a high end mod down the road.
Always good to have backups, and any mod can be lost or stolen.
I've got a Vamo (plus some mech mods), which comes in handy occasionally. FWIW, I love my ProVari; it's been totally reliable, and has withstood some serious abuse.
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Always good to have backups, and any mod can be lost or stolen.
I've got a Vamo (plus some mech mods), which comes in handy occasionally. FWIW, I love my ProVari; it's been totally reliable, and has withstood some serious abuse.
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Higher wattage isn't only about subohming. Some coil builds at much higher ohms require a lot of wattage to heat fast enough to use.
For example, this coil I built for my Kayfun...
1.8ohm twisted wire chimney coil.
Unregulated it takes nearly 3 seconds to heat enough to produce vapor, and it doesn't produce much vapor. Regulated at 10 watts it takes about 2 seconds to heat up and is barely acceptable in performance. At 15 watts it takes about 1 second to heat and produces decent vapor and really good flavor. At 18 watts it's a monster and is almost as good as dripping.
Well the link I posted about was from a supplier and had a pic of one with the hcigar logo on it, but now the pic is gone, so maybe it was bogus
Decided on the svd for now, but a provari will be my next big purchase for the fda apocalypse, thanks for all the help and recommendations ecf members
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