Simple safe nicotine extraction from any tobacco

[kinabaloo]

I meant put the bag at the side, fed by a hose. So like the bottle idea, but with sealed bag. The hose and connectors would have to take the pressure - but that's the same either way. Doesn't matter what you try first, as will probably take a few goes.

Because of the huge volume increase, no point to put any liquid in with the leaves. Nor a need to put any liquid in the bag till after it cools down and the nicotine and volatile flavours have condensed (some flavours might not condense alas, but this should still be a good way to get a deposit-free tobacco extract.

Safety note to readers: the nicotine extract is extremely poisonous until diluted. Even then great care to avoid contact is required. Should any contact occur, rinse off immediately and thoroughly. Use a well ventilated space and be careful not inhale. Wear gloves and consider all other safety aspects. Make sure help is at hand should you need it.

 

[RjG]

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If you've never seen one in use, the bag gets filled and expands within seconds. The pressure is actually quite high and it would have no problem lifting a LOT of liquid. It would not be possible to use the liquid in the bag unless you added a much larger pressure relief valve...

Ahhh. Like I said, I have never seen one.

I was under the impression that just pure vapor came out, or goes in the bag. So the pump blows air in too?

Or does it just make pure vapor that fast? If so, that's kinda cool ;-)

 

[kinabaloo]

The volume increase when a liquid becomes a gas is huge; well over x100. As it recondenses, te volume goes back down.

 

[Letzin Hale]

Anyone who has never done anything just out of curiosity or because he can is leading a bland existence. You have my sympathy Alan

Nuck, I am impressed with your latest tobacco flavoured juice recipe, but playing 'home chemistry' with such a potentially dangerous end product as nicotine sounds crazy to me and would be high octane stuff for the anti e-cig brigade who would portray it as an 'ecig crack lab'.
It's akin to someone who wants to build a homemade rocket (no problem with that) but instead of using commercially available fuel decides to strip out explosives from fireworks to power it.
I did ask a couple of questions but received no answers.
If we accept that there are 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, some cancer causing, how will you know that you have removed them when distilling nicotine?
Why not use pure tobacco leaf before it has had many of the chemicals added?
If you want to satisfy your curiosity or prove that you can, that's fine, but at least don't overlook the patently obvious pitfalls.
Your assumptions about me are unfounded and your sympathy extraneous.

Alan.

 

[Nuck]

Nuck, I am impressed with your latest tobacco flavoured juice recipe, but playing 'home chemistry' with such a potentially dangerous end product as nicotine sounds crazy to me and would be high octane stuff for the anti e-cig brigade who would portray it as an 'ecig crack lab'.
It's akin to someone who wants to build a homemade rocket (no problem with that) but instead of using commercially available fuel decides to strip out explosives from fireworks to power it.
I did ask a couple of questions but received no answers.
If we accept that there are 4000 chemicals in cigarettes, some cancer causing, how will you know that you have removed them when distilling nicotine?
Why not use pure tobacco leaf before it has had many of the chemicals added?
If you want to satisfy your curiosity or prove that you can, that's fine, but at least don't overlook the patently obvious pitfalls.
Your assumptions about me are unfounded and your sympathy extraneous.
Alan.

I'm pretty careful and do understand the maximum potential nicotine. I will assume a 100% transfer and test it then slowly up the amount until its noticeable (if we ever get to that point which to be honest, is unlikely).

For the other chemicals, in Canada the additives were always controlled heavily so the tobacco is pretty clean. I smoked for 25 years so trace elements without combustion from clean tobacco isn't really a concern.

The sympathy crack was just a joke man

 

[Survivalism]

to run a tube from your cano bags all you need to do is cut a small section of normal bag, maybe 3-4 inches. Put this on the valve like normal and then stick a peice of silicone tubing ( should be food / medical grade ) in the other side of the bag and zip tie the bag to the tubing.

 

[Nuck]

to run a tube from your cano bags all you need to do is cut a small section of normal bag, maybe 3-4 inches. Put this on the valve like normal and then stick a peice of silicone tubing ( should be food / medical grade ) in the other side of the bag and zip tie the bag to the tubing.

That seems easy enough..thanks. I should be able to run the thing tomorrow.

 

[RjG]

Cool That came together fast...

I look forward to hearing about it tomorrow

 

[dopple]

am i reading this right??? 247C??? thats over 450F... theres no way an e-cig gets that hot, you'd never be able to hold it at that temp

 

[Nuck]

am i reading this right??? 247C??? thats over 450F... theres no way an e-cig gets that hot, you'd never be able to hold it at that temp

That's not the temp of the ecig. It's the temp of vapourizer to vapourize the tobacco and then condense the vapour and add it to pure VG/PG.

 

[RjG]

An interesting post :
chemist - Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2

"I've done the extraction from the sciencemadness forum. It's involved, but if you know what you're doing and have the equipment, it's well worth it. I got 2g of nicotine from 6oz rolling tobacco. That oughta hold me for a while."

I've been hunting for over an hour - I can't find any definitive source of information (other than the above) of how much nicotine is actually IN tobacco...

Tons of studies of how much you absorb from inhaling a burning cig - which is of no value at all to us.


If the above post is true, then for making 24mg/ml , which is .024 g/ml , you could make 83ml of juice from a 6 oz pack of tobacco? I could live with that...

It will be hard to get the whole 6 oz to bubble through only 83ml of PG , and still keep it cold enough to re-condense the vapors though. Might have to keep the jar in a bowl of ice to offset the heat the vapor puts in it.

 

[kinabaloo]

RjG - Just collect all the vapor in the bag - there's no rush to condense it. A bubble will pass out the bottle in maybe 1 second.

 

[Nuck]

I went out to grab some loose tobacco and not only did my old cig place not sell it, but all the cigs were hidden away. There is a dedicated smoke place in a mall near by that I will try tomorrow.

RjG, a cigarette averages between 1-2 mg of nic per smoke with about 10-11% of the nicotine in the cigarette being absorbed. Thats where the 15mg value per cigarette comes from. Not sure who much tobacco is in a cig..but should be easy to find out.

Edit: I'll toss a large jar into some ice just to speed it along and seal the bottle so that only a small amount of vapour escapes around the tube. There is a button on the vapourizer that will toggle the fan on and off so I can run many cycles with the same tobacco allowing the vapour to condense each cycle.

 

[kinabaloo]

I went out to grab some loose tobacco and not only did my old cig place not sell it, but all the cigs were hidden away. There is a dedicated smoke place in a mall near by that I will try tomorrow.

RjG, a cigarette averages between 1-2 mg of nic per smoke with about 10-11% of the nicotine in the cigarette being absorbed. Thats where the 15mg value per cigarette comes from. Not sure who much tobacco is in a cig..but should be easy to find out.

Edit: I'll toss a large jar into some ice just to speed it along and seal the bottle so that only a small amount of vapour escapes around the tube. There is a button on the vapourizer that will toggle the fan on and off so I can run many cycles with the same tobacco allowing the vapour to condense each cycle.

I guess that's a reasonable compromise on method.

The '15mg' (varies a bit) is also printed on the box

Good luck!

 

[Hooyah]

Guys, I'm sure you would want truly "clean" tobacco. "Smoke-n-chew.com" a.k.a "Tisha's Cafe" was my supplier before vaping (NO store bought analog cigs here). Strictly unadulterated tobacco w/ great flavors.

I was wondering if, other than the nic, the actual taste could be captured also if you were successful at doing this. Because they have very flavorful tasting stuff there. They use to be called "Daughters & Ryan Tobacco" (D&R Tobacco).

(I believe it is 1gm of tobacco to a cig.)

Good luck

 

[Harry Crazington]

Guys, I'm sure you would want truly "clean" tobacco. "Smoke-n-chew.com" a.k.a "Tisha's Cafe" was my supplier before vaping (NO store bought analog cigs here). Strictly unadulterated tobacco w/ great flavors.

I was wondering if, other than the nic, the actual taste could be captured also if you were successful at doing this. Because they have very flavorful tasting stuff there. They use to be called "Daughters & Ryan Tobacco" (D&R Tobacco).

(I believe it is 1gm of tobacco to a cig.)

Good luck

You only get about a 1mg dose from smoking one cigarette but commercial cigs contain about 10mg nic per cig and RYO (roll yer own) or SYO (stuff yer own) tobacco can contain from 15mg to 25mg nic per cig total, depending on circumstances. The reason you only get a 1mg dose smoking one cigarette is because the remainder of the nicotine just goes up in smoke waiting for you to take another puff, while it's sitting in your ashtray.

 

[Nuck]

Ok...got the tobacco. I had to buy a pack since a tin of the stuff was 56 bucks (thank God I no longer smoke tobacco). I have the tubes and everything is set to go. I will run the tests this evening after my brats are in bed.

 

[kinabaloo]

Ok...got the tobacco. I had to buy a pack since a tin of the stuff was 56 bucks (thank God I no longer smoke tobacco). I have the tubes and everything is set to go. I will run the tests this evening after my brats are in bed.

Ok, good luck

And take care!

 

[Txrider]

I would think a normal distilling process would work best, that is have the vapor pass directly into something like a glass condensation tube that was cooled with ice.

You just let it flow in straight from the vaporizer and your essence of tobacco would drip out the end of the condenser like a moonshine still.

Like this (sorry can't post URL's yet you'll have to replace DOT with .) wwwDOTindiamartDOTcom/ablazeglass/pcat-gifs/products-small/glass-heat-exchanger_10694745.jpg

 

[kinabaloo]

I would think a normal distilling process would work best, that is have the vapor pass directly into something like a glass condensation tube that was cooled with ice.

You just let it flow in straight from the vaporizer and your essence of tobacco would drip out the end of the condenser like a moonshine still.

Like this (sorry can't post URL's yet you'll have to replace DOT with .) wwwDOTindiamartDOTcom/ablazeglass/pcat-gifs/products-small/glass-heat-exchanger_10694745.jpg

I know what you mean. A proper condenser has a long path = far better