Sleazy propaganda re diacetyl in e-cigs
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"Best enforcement powers across the government?" CIA? I don't even think there is an answer. ATF when e-cigs are regulated as tobacco products.
The question is "in your opinion, does FDA have the best enforcement powers across the whole government?".
Under their scope of operation, yes. For tobacco and firearms-ATF, for money laundering and counterfeiting-Treasury Department...
We're talking about "enforcement". Isn't that done by police / FBI / judicial system?
Not when it comes to regulation. Enforcement can be fines or loss of business license...
Regulatory powers are not the same as enforcement powers. We're talking enforcement here. Who comes to stick tape on the doors and/or arrest people operating an unlicensed business?
Actually regulatory agencies have such powers, like the ATF or any under the HHS, like the FDA. They have SWAT teams...
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Can we get more specific? Who is "They"? Does FDA itself own a SWAT team? Can their agents operate without a warrant?
Divisions of HHS have SWAT teams. Even NOAA has a SWAT team. Of course they get warrants. This is the United States...
Third time you're trying to avoid the answer.
Let me do it for you: FDA does not own a SWAT team. They have an investigative unit (OCI). And, as you correctly obesrved, they can't do nothing without involving the judicial branch.
Can you explain why FDA would be better than congress/police/court at regulating / enforcing in homicide cases?
Let me do it for you: FDA does not own a SWAT team. They have an investigative unit (OCI). And, as you correctly obesrved, they can't do nothing without involving the judicial branch.
Can you explain why FDA would be better than congress/police/court at regulating / enforcing in homicide cases?
FDA doesn't have SWAT teams? That's news to me and the FDA... Even the DOE has SWAT teams...
You should probably do a little research about the federal government and its agencies...
In the hypotetical event of a room mate droping on the floor after vaping, would you call:
a. ambulance
b. police
c. fire department
d. your lawyer
e. FDA
f. NOAA
which of them in what order?
a. ambulance
b. police
c. fire department
d. your lawyer
e. FDA
f. NOAA
which of them in what order?
SWAT stands for "Special Weapons and Tactics". Can you list the "Special Weapons" that FDA's OCI owns and operates as to qualify it as SWAT team?
Great. I'll remind this choice to you everytime you'll propose that FDA should be in charge of vaping.
GLOCK 10s, 40s, MP5, shotguns, flash bang grenades, M1911.45 ACP, tear gas...
Vapers who discuss all the things that may present risks, just like the reviewer in another thread I posted about who warned everyone about a mod back in 2012 that was literally an unvented pipe bomb, often receive a load of flak from those who are threatened by the idea that maybe things aren't safe. As a matter of fact, that particular reviewer helped hold the manufacturer's feet to the fire, and vendors recalled the item, and they were modified to be safer. HOWEVER, if you go to that topic, you will see that he received a ton of flak for just showing that!
When Dr. F. was doing the study on eliquids and found that over 70% of the ones he tested contained diacetyl, most people were grateful for his efforts, but if you read around the internet, and in comments sections, they even gave HIM a hard time about breaking that news.
Please, if you have concerns about a product, share them. That is what happened in the topic about Aspire lying about the materials used in the nautilus chamber, etc.
This is the HALLMARK of self-regulation!!!!!!!!!!
People who march to the status quo aren't the ones who make the world a better place. We see that alll thru history. The status quo people thought the world was flat and thankfully somebody with some ballz showed it wasn't.
We've been lied to a few times. Stay vigilant. Thank you for sharing with us your decision not to vape diketones and why. Perhaps another vaper will see that and also have questions. questioning things is the hallmark of science. If Dr. F. had no questions in his mind, about the safety of diketones, he would not have done the study. He did the study precisely because he had suspicions about flavorings. True scientific mind....looking for answers to questions.
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LOL
I was surprised by this, but it's true...FDA has SWAT:
"An FDA SWAT unit struck Lancaster, Pa.’s Rainbow Acres Farm in April 2010. From there, farmer Dan Allgyer illegally had shipped unpasteurized milk to his customers across state lines through something called a “cow-sharing agreement.” (Really.) Ignoring a woman’s right to choose raw milk, Washington launched an armed federal response against this Amish-run dairy. The company subsequently folded."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376053/united-states-swat-john-fund
WOW
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