I find that hard to believe... Here's one. I won't post 1000, because there's no point...
Sleazy propaganda re diacetyl in e-cigs
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I find that hard to believe... Here's one. I won't post 1000, because there's no point...
You can't even post one. Nowhere did you find the word harmless. That was your claim. I believe you won't find it. But good luck!
If you think that was diatribe, then you're really not very used to people having different opinions than your own, are you?
I carefully worded my personal decision to not vape diacetyl.
I didnt say others shouldnt vape it, or that the industry needed to do this or that (i did say some things regarding that later, but most certainly not in my first post).
Dear god, the world is really black and white for you isnt it?
Anyone that even dares to have a slightly different opinion than you is contributing to the FDA, not acting "becoming of a vaping enthusiasts", fear mongering and "willingly contribute to ANTZ".
Comments like that are really only intended to silence people with a different opinion than your own, which I guess makes up for your complete lack of real arguments.
In fact I've also recently decided that I refuse to eat Brussel's sprouts anymore. Are you going to suggest I should be send to Alcatraz now for being a traitor to the human race or something?
Anyway: seriously grow up already. If you dont have any arguments or are incapable to write them down in a coherent way, disrespectful yelling and accusing people doesnt really invite anyone to take you serious anymore.
*waves goodbye*
Absolutely. Thats why i said very clearly "we cannot say with 100% certainty inhaling diacetyl while vaping will damage your lungs."
At this moment in time there is no evidence that proves that, period.
And it might very well in time turn out to be not true.
I seriously hope and pray that because regardless what we post here a LOT of people do vape custards etc.
My point is that this is such an important decision regarding your health, that we can only make that decision for ourselves, based upon the evidence/ science we have today (which is inconclusive).
I'm therefor not arguing it should be forbidden or regulated. It should however be disclosed (as some vendors already do) so we can all make that imo highly personal decision.
Agreed. I dont believe anyone asks for the government to step in and regulate this for us.
It is exactly about freedom of choice, this whole discussion.
But you can only chose when you know the facts, so eventually I hope all vendors will follow the example of those that are disclosing whether or not their liquids contain diacetyl and other diketones.
Then people can decide for themselves whether or not to buy those liquids.
Thats all.
I want nothing to do with ANTZ, except to stomp them.
Or in the case of the "human" (maybe) variety... humiliate and shame and disregard and ostracize them. Or commit them to the looney-bin that all control-freaks belong in.I personally couldn't give a rip what "the industry" does about diketones; I don't want them in my ejuice, so I started DIYing and choosing my flavors VERY carefully. Call me a tin-foil-hatter if you like, I don't care; I'll be vaping happily on my no-diketones ejuice, and you all, and everyone, can vape whatever the hell you and they like. Vape antifreeze for all I care.
I started vaping because "harm reduction" is the most sensible idea I've ever heard of, and I'll carry that idea as far as I can; there MAY be no harm in diketones... or then again, there MAY be a lot. If I avoid them as far as I am able, I'll have far less to worry about, in "long term" risks. Less to worry about makes me happy. It gives me warm fuzzies, and helps me sleep better. Even if that is the SOLE benefit of avoiding diketones, it's still a great benefit.
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But why would they self regulate? So many don't care; many more just don't know. Most vapers don't spend time on internet forums. The bad stuff tastes good. People still vape Suicide Bunny, even those who know about that fiasco. Companies like that won't disclose dactyl and other bad ingredients without regulation; even then I wouldn't trust that particular company...
For the same reason that your bakery isn't adding antifreeze to your bread.
You'd think if liability lawsuits were such a fear for shady businesses there wouldn't be any shady businesses...
Quite simple. A warning label on e-liquid and ingredients which contain diketones and Diacetyl...fines for those who don't test or comply...
In your previous post you complained that regulations don't work, and now you're proposing regulations as the solution to regulations not working?
Self regulation hasn't worked. I'm not talking about self regulation. I'm talking about regulation where a company who fails to comply is fined or shut down- by the FDA...
Criminal law is not "self regulation".
What exactly would make FDA regulations be better observed than any other kind of regulations?
Are you suggesting that FDA has the best enforcement powers across the whole government?
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