Not coming from a "big city" by any means but a welcome bit of common sense here.
Aurora Council shoots down ban on e-cigarettes
Aurora Council shoots down ban on e-cigarettes
Smart politician?? Can it Be??
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This may not be 100% technically accurate, but it sure is closer to reality than the ANTZ version of "ultra fine particles laced with carcinogens". So, my proposal is that as long as ANTZ claims stand along these lines, we're justified in making the "water vapor" claim.
I have to disagree, DrMA, although I love your posts and you're always full of good stuff.
The ANTZ are fish in a barrel precisely because they play so fast and loose with "science". I do not believe we should allow their ignorance and lie-telling to justify us to do the same. Any ANTZ who wants to discredit these statements need only tell the truth. Please let's force them to continue to tell lies, or use paranoid fear-mongering, in order to demonize us.
Vaporizers are orders of magnitude less harmful than tobacco smoke. We simply don't need to distort the facts and claim that there's nothing but water vapor, or only 4 chemicals in our liquid.
They need to ignore or contort reality to support their thesis; we don't. I'm sure there's a better way to effectively spread our message and remain credible.
It is good to hear that there's a politician with enough of a head on their shoulders to not ban vaping, however!
"mostly water vapor" is accurate.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/603098-truth-2.html#post14142473
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actually it is true.
there is water in PG and VG otherwise you would have paste or jelly.
its not a lot but,what your actually seeing is water vapor heavily laced with the other ingredients.
its the other stuff that gunk's up your coils as it is heavier than water.
most cigalikes typically have 10-20% water added as an ingredient.
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mike
I'm wondering if it isn't just the fact that we have grown to the point that many people have friends and family members who are now former smokers due to vaping. They have seen the real life effect of e-cigarettes on their friends health and maybe are beginning to understand the lies they have been fed by the ANTZ. If a non-smoker has a friend who couldn't complete a sentence without having to stop for a breath, couldn't laugh without a coughing fit or walk around without stopping to catch their breath who now can do all the above, they are going to be very sceptical of the lies.
It's all the anecdotal evidence that the ANTZ refuse to admit is there that people with common sense can see with their own eyes. FUD is all the ANTZ have left and the science, anecdotal evidence and peoples personal observations are proving them wrong.
I think we are slowly winning the propaganda war just by using PVs and having people seeing the improvements in our health including the non-ANTZ medical professionals who see that improvement.
It's all the anecdotal evidence that the ANTZ refuse to admit is there that people with common sense can see with their own eyes. FUD is all the ANTZ have left and the science, anecdotal evidence and peoples personal observations are proving them wrong.
I think we are slowly winning the propaganda war just by using PVs and having people seeing the improvements in our health including the non-ANTZ medical professionals who see that improvement.
Take another look at the phraseology used by the article's author:
It's an unequivocal statements that e-cig vapor contains nothing but steam, and it absolutely is not true. "Mostly" and "only" are not the same thing.
I like this part:
“It just demonstrates we don’t even know what we are opposed to,” Pirri added.
Yes!!!
I wish more politicians had the gall to say this out loud! Well done! 
“It just demonstrates we don’t even know what we are opposed to,” Pirri added.
Yes!!!
I wish more politicians had the gall to say this out loud! Well done!
I like this part:
“It just demonstrates we don’t even know what we are opposed to,” Pirri added.
Yes!!!
But it LOOKS LIKE SMOKING!! Won't someone think of teh childrins?
Living in a small town has its advantages....
We had a town hall meeting that gave anyone 3 minutes to speak on any issue. I knew that a ban on e-cigs was on the docket. So I went prepared.
(im paraphrasing) "The county of ### is offering up a ban on e-cigs as it glorifies smoking and as it is based on candy and fruit flavors it is targeting the youth of the communities"
I have made this comment in a few other posts so... On my time at the alter I went up and asked if everything that has fruit flavors was to banned, and pulled from my pocket some flavored condoms to which I passed out to the council my samples. "If all e-cigs are being banned because a number, not all of them but some, are sweet flavored, who are the makers of flavored condoms marketing to?" There was a great silence after this.
We had a town hall meeting that gave anyone 3 minutes to speak on any issue. I knew that a ban on e-cigs was on the docket. So I went prepared.
(im paraphrasing) "The county of ### is offering up a ban on e-cigs as it glorifies smoking and as it is based on candy and fruit flavors it is targeting the youth of the communities"
I have made this comment in a few other posts so... On my time at the alter I went up and asked if everything that has fruit flavors was to banned, and pulled from my pocket some flavored condoms to which I passed out to the council my samples. "If all e-cigs are being banned because a number, not all of them but some, are sweet flavored, who are the makers of flavored condoms marketing to?" There was a great silence after this.
You could've made the same point about nicotine gum and lozenges, which come in all manner of supposedly "kid friendly" flavors, but which nobody ever complains about.
^ And liquor, because we all know peach schnapps is marketed to 8 year olds
Though I think the condoms do make the most shocking point
what better way to force them to really think about it? Nicely done Mogar!
It's not something on which I've done any research (maybe Bill could provide some insight if he's reading this thread), but when the FDA dropped the banhammer on flavored cigarettes a few years back, did they have any evidentiary basis for doing so, or was it just the product of another unfounded "flavors = marketing to kids" generalization?
I bet it's a really big part of it!
Candy and Fruit Flavored Cigarettes Now Illegal in United States; Step is First Under New Tobacco Law
Leave it to an FDA official to mix tautology, non sequitur, and circular reasoning into one two-sentence quote.
Agreed. Let's go with "mostly water vapor"
I do... and it is.
What I found interesting is the amount of PG (from PG based eliquid) was also low:
"(in the 'Clearstream study' by Dr. F). Amount of PG measured " < 0.01" .... same study. Again, this is for second-hand vapor not mainstream vapor. "
... which just further supports the displacement taking place from PG to H2O.
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