Smokefree Innotec goes for August
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IMHO, thats a zombie: beat it death and it comes back.
So take a way back, watch a video uploaded on Youtube in July 2006. nicstic stop smoking clip
If busy start at 1:27: ...also out next year: the Nicstic!, featuring T.S., the present Rauchless/Smokefree Innotec CEO, demonstrating another uber-revolutionary product. Surprise, not much happened, after the first samples were presented to impress financial investors (and some minor test marketing in Spain). Besides, of course, the Nicstic company (collecting investors money since 2004/2005) imploded in 2007 and was shut down by Swiss authorities due to manipulative stock trades. Well, it did not end completely and the fraud scheme had some continuations (two links in German here: Sendung vom 05.05.2009, Kassensturz, SF 1 SZON - Betrug mit "rauchfreien Zigaretten": LKA durchsucht Wohnungen).
Not saying, though, that this former Nicstic-US president, now Inntotec CEO, had been part of the Nicstic fraudsder group. But no doubt that the various incarnations of NicStic, Bel Air, Denverson, Rauchless / Smokefree Innotec have been good in building a facade for investors. I wonder how the latter, touting to conquer the world market in press releases, pushing penny stock, came attributed to some BT conspiracy theory.
So take a way back, watch a video uploaded on Youtube in July 2006. nicstic stop smoking clip
If busy start at 1:27: ...also out next year: the Nicstic!, featuring T.S., the present Rauchless/Smokefree Innotec CEO, demonstrating another uber-revolutionary product. Surprise, not much happened, after the first samples were presented to impress financial investors (and some minor test marketing in Spain). Besides, of course, the Nicstic company (collecting investors money since 2004/2005) imploded in 2007 and was shut down by Swiss authorities due to manipulative stock trades. Well, it did not end completely and the fraud scheme had some continuations (two links in German here: Sendung vom 05.05.2009, Kassensturz, SF 1 SZON - Betrug mit "rauchfreien Zigaretten": LKA durchsucht Wohnungen).
Not saying, though, that this former Nicstic-US president, now Inntotec CEO, had been part of the Nicstic fraudsder group. But no doubt that the various incarnations of NicStic, Bel Air, Denverson, Rauchless / Smokefree Innotec have been good in building a facade for investors. I wonder how the latter, touting to conquer the world market in press releases, pushing penny stock, came attributed to some BT conspiracy theory.
So then what they are saying is that they are, in fact, not using tobacco at all. Otherwise this statement is completely false.
I stand by my hunch and my observations that the tobacco companies did not drop the ball and allow some silly upstart from China take over the basic design and concept of electronic cigarettes from the Accord, the Heatbar, Premiere, etc. It just did NOT happen. The more likely scenarios are that BT moved an undercover operation to China, called it Ruyan or Joye or whatever, took their research with them, developed the e cig and released it under its current name. In that time, while working with those planning the FDA bill, they found what they would need to be compliant with the new law without years of further testing. They did that, with one notable change on the website itself. At first the site said no tobacco; now it says tobacco solution. That changed for a reason: FDA rules. The device is based upon improvements before Feb 2007, so it is not a new product, just an improved one, operating on the same principles as the original. Anyway, that's my theory/hunch/conspiracy. Word is PM has offered RUYAN a big sum. Will they accept? Probably, but not yet...perhaps in August.
Tobacco products can mean nicotine derived from tobacco, so I don't see how that is false.
From their website...
"A sensor signals the consequent under-pressure to a mini processor unit in the cigarette and a spiral is instantly heating up"
" ....thus the aroma for our purpose needs to be invigorated to compensate for the lack of 'nose'"
These and other statements hint at chinglish to me. 'Spiral' instead of coil?.."under-pressure" instead of simply saying 'vacuum' or 'suction'? "Lack of nose"? It seems like translated Chinese, albeit well translated Chinese, to me. I would have thought that if this was PM, the verbiage would have been a little more natural sounding to an English speaker, i.e. actually written by an English speaker.
The low-grade photos that look like they were taken with a cheap cellphone camera also have me scratching my head.
"A sensor signals the consequent under-pressure to a mini processor unit in the cigarette and a spiral is instantly heating up"
" ....thus the aroma for our purpose needs to be invigorated to compensate for the lack of 'nose'"
These and other statements hint at chinglish to me. 'Spiral' instead of coil?.."under-pressure" instead of simply saying 'vacuum' or 'suction'? "Lack of nose"? It seems like translated Chinese, albeit well translated Chinese, to me. I would have thought that if this was PM, the verbiage would have been a little more natural sounding to an English speaker, i.e. actually written by an English speaker.
The low-grade photos that look like they were taken with a cheap cellphone camera also have me scratching my head.
Further to my post, I believe Tom09 may be right..
Tom mentions "rouchless" as being one of the previous names to a company that never produced a product, but got shut down after taking investors money in a fraudulent way. Sure enough, on the contacts page, the e-mail is rauchless@**. Also telling is the penny-stock link in the "investors" section.
Smells like a penny-stock scam to me!
Tom mentions "rouchless" as being one of the previous names to a company that never produced a product, but got shut down after taking investors money in a fraudulent way. Sure enough, on the contacts page, the e-mail is rauchless@**. Also telling is the penny-stock link in the "investors" section.
Smells like a penny-stock scam to me!
Well i sent them this e-mail:
Well I have a few questions for you. The first being how is this
different from a ruyan, joye, janty, smolder, etc brand of electronic
cigarette. They already have a smokeless liquid used in e-cigs.
Already offer a rechargeable pack with some models and some have
disposable cartomizers. Also last question, how is a company able to
legally stay in business for 15 years and never actually start selling
a product?
I could of asked tons of questions but hope that this small email will get answered
Well I have a few questions for you. The first being how is this
different from a ruyan, joye, janty, smolder, etc brand of electronic
cigarette. They already have a smokeless liquid used in e-cigs.
Already offer a rechargeable pack with some models and some have
disposable cartomizers. Also last question, how is a company able to
legally stay in business for 15 years and never actually start selling
a product?
I could of asked tons of questions but hope that this small email will get answered
Threads like this make this forum a fun place to hang out. For all tin-hat theorists, here is little something (… sorry, Innotec is not related to PM or BT in any way).
From the facts I was able to gather, SFI is trying to make itself be perceived as an inventor and bigger-than-they-are company. But their associations, history and deals are immature‘ish, to say the least.
Little background info first:
Formed in NV back in ’95 as subchapter-s corp (inc) and was suspended by the State in 1997, due to failure to file corp docs. The company was reinstated in March of 2002, approximately the same time Ruyan filed for its first patent. In October of 2004 SFI began trading on OTC under SFIO with 150K authorized capital (150 mil shares with $0.001 par value). To make long story short, they ended up selling 130 mil shares, which resulted in 130k of capital. During the last 2 years, they have been active in forming various partnerships, mostly in Europe, including manufacturing, distribution and packaging.
Now to the part we all want to know - ” what is it?”
Regardless of the rumors you’ve heard, it is an electronic cigarette (it even says so on the pack). Just like any other e-cig out there. The only difference in their product is that components are manufactured by various entities (ie battery, cart and atomizer). My guess, it’s a price move, quality control move or combination of both. As far as I can tell, this is their plan.
Carts:
Will be manufactured by AHN Biotechnologie in Germany. This company is well known for its disposable laboratory plastic supply. They offer a wide variety of filter tips, ultra low retention tips and filter micro plates. Likely reason for this relationship is that AHN produces filter (wicking material) “in compliance with the rules of the European Community and conform with the recommendations of the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment and the US Food and Drug Administration GRAS (generally recognized as safe)”
Packaging:
Struck a deal with The Funbox Company. The design will feature a packaging of the filters, which will have the same dimensions of a standard pack of cigarettes, but having been adapted to blister pack the mouthpieces. Another words, they are trying to control cost/quality of “usable” elements (carts & liquid)
Pricing:
50$ for the starter kit (chargers with high-capacity battery, and white stick). Separate sticks should also be available in a 1 or 2 pack. Filter pack of 20 will be higher priced than conventional pack. For instance: Pack of 20 Marlboro Red in Belgium: 7$ Pack of 20 SFI filters: 8$.
This info is very important, it relates to their core principle. SFI is not going after e-cigarette market, but rather the refills. It is the reason they are using Germans to manufacture carts. I suspect the “patent” SFI constantly refers to is for the “filter” and “white stick” component of the device.
Batteries & Attys
Not surprisingly, I could not find any info at all, other than images and text below. My guess, they are looking for the cheapest ..... in China. From business prospective, as long as Chinese can keep up with production and have descent QC over the batt and atty, anyone will work, so ultimately the price will be considered.
Flavor:
They are getting their flavors from Bell Flavors & Fragrances in Germany. Just happens to be next door to AHN Biotechnologie
http://www.bellff.com/
Patent:
07009545.0-2313
Rouchless, Inc
European Patent Office - Germany
Title "Smoking Device, charging means and method or using it"
Their Product Spec Sheet
http://www.rauchless.com/product.pdf
Other relevant facts:
In June of this year, SFI struck a distribution deal with Netherlands-based Verkoop Centrale van Tabakproducten. Coincidently, VCT is an independent player in the tobacco industry in the Benelux and manufacturer of 13 cigarette brands. My guess is they are trying to get the first tobacco player with hopes that others will follow. IMO this strategy will fail.
Also in June, SFI agreed with US based SENCO to distribute its products in US. SENCO is a papa-mama operation in Florida, paddling some China exports into US. It is important to note that any self-respecting entity with half-way decent business plan would not associate with small timers like SENCO.
http://www.venturenashville.com/files/image/Zig.png
From the facts I was able to gather, SFI is trying to make itself be perceived as an inventor and bigger-than-they-are company. But their associations, history and deals are immature‘ish, to say the least.
Little background info first:
Formed in NV back in ’95 as subchapter-s corp (inc) and was suspended by the State in 1997, due to failure to file corp docs. The company was reinstated in March of 2002, approximately the same time Ruyan filed for its first patent. In October of 2004 SFI began trading on OTC under SFIO with 150K authorized capital (150 mil shares with $0.001 par value). To make long story short, they ended up selling 130 mil shares, which resulted in 130k of capital. During the last 2 years, they have been active in forming various partnerships, mostly in Europe, including manufacturing, distribution and packaging.
Now to the part we all want to know - ” what is it?”
Regardless of the rumors you’ve heard, it is an electronic cigarette (it even says so on the pack). Just like any other e-cig out there. The only difference in their product is that components are manufactured by various entities (ie battery, cart and atomizer). My guess, it’s a price move, quality control move or combination of both. As far as I can tell, this is their plan.
Carts:
Will be manufactured by AHN Biotechnologie in Germany. This company is well known for its disposable laboratory plastic supply. They offer a wide variety of filter tips, ultra low retention tips and filter micro plates. Likely reason for this relationship is that AHN produces filter (wicking material) “in compliance with the rules of the European Community and conform with the recommendations of the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment and the US Food and Drug Administration GRAS (generally recognized as safe)”
Packaging:
Struck a deal with The Funbox Company. The design will feature a packaging of the filters, which will have the same dimensions of a standard pack of cigarettes, but having been adapted to blister pack the mouthpieces. Another words, they are trying to control cost/quality of “usable” elements (carts & liquid)
Pricing:
50$ for the starter kit (chargers with high-capacity battery, and white stick). Separate sticks should also be available in a 1 or 2 pack. Filter pack of 20 will be higher priced than conventional pack. For instance: Pack of 20 Marlboro Red in Belgium: 7$ Pack of 20 SFI filters: 8$.
This info is very important, it relates to their core principle. SFI is not going after e-cigarette market, but rather the refills. It is the reason they are using Germans to manufacture carts. I suspect the “patent” SFI constantly refers to is for the “filter” and “white stick” component of the device.
Batteries & Attys
Not surprisingly, I could not find any info at all, other than images and text below. My guess, they are looking for the cheapest ..... in China. From business prospective, as long as Chinese can keep up with production and have descent QC over the batt and atty, anyone will work, so ultimately the price will be considered.
Flavor:
They are getting their flavors from Bell Flavors & Fragrances in Germany. Just happens to be next door to AHN Biotechnologie
http://www.bellff.com/
Patent:
07009545.0-2313
Rouchless, Inc
European Patent Office - Germany
Title "Smoking Device, charging means and method or using it"
Their Product Spec Sheet
http://www.rauchless.com/product.pdf
Other relevant facts:
In June of this year, SFI struck a distribution deal with Netherlands-based Verkoop Centrale van Tabakproducten. Coincidently, VCT is an independent player in the tobacco industry in the Benelux and manufacturer of 13 cigarette brands. My guess is they are trying to get the first tobacco player with hopes that others will follow. IMO this strategy will fail.
Also in June, SFI agreed with US based SENCO to distribute its products in US. SENCO is a papa-mama operation in Florida, paddling some China exports into US. It is important to note that any self-respecting entity with half-way decent business plan would not associate with small timers like SENCO.
http://www.venturenashville.com/files/image/Zig.png
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Thanks for the good in depth research tannerk. Explains a lot but SENCO selling tools? Not sure how they fit in here?
Big thank you for your information. Note that many specifics, and the product prices, are on the referenced Web site. But not, of course, the questionable background information that helps us understand a company with stock now valued at 5 cents on a downward spiral.
Innotec has been such a subject of cloak-and-dagger speculation here that it's great to real some real information. I never for one second thought this pathetic little operation had anything to do with Big Tobacco or Philip Morris. This operation reeks worse than the local fish docks in mid-day heat.
Good luck, Innotec, with the FDA. You've got such a unique new product to sell.
Innotec has been such a subject of cloak-and-dagger speculation here that it's great to real some real information. I never for one second thought this pathetic little operation had anything to do with Big Tobacco or Philip Morris. This operation reeks worse than the local fish docks in mid-day heat.
Good luck, Innotec, with the FDA. You've got such a unique new product to sell.
I laughed when people were suggesting this website was for a Phillip Morris company. Look at PM's website: Home - Philip Morris USA. There was no question in my mind that this was a tiny little company with horribly unskilled web designers who don't understand that if you blow up a tiny picture it will come out pixelated.
Meh, about right.
Innotechs first packaging. Hope you like. Since you lack a nose. LOL
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