Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun,Am I missing something? The ECA was set up by the manufacturers & I believe started by njoy


Lone

Lone--the way it was understood or should I say at least presented here on this Fourm was that the ECA was formed and then njoy was brought on board as it was felt the njoy had the most knowledge of the industry. The problem with that logic is in concluding that NJOY's position will alway be parallel with the best interest of all concerned and not just NJOY. I hope that is the case.

Sun

 

[LoneRanger]

Lone--the way it was understood or should I say at least presented here on this Fourm was that the ECA was formed and then NJOY was brought on board as it was felt the NJOY had the most knowledge of the industry. The problem with that logic is in concluding that NJOY's position will alway be parallel with the best interest of all concerned and not just NJOY. I hope that is the case.

Sun

This should- clear the air-Founding Electronic Association Members:Njoy-Board Chair

Lone

 

[Sun Vaporer]

This should- clear the air-Founding Electronic Association Members:Njoy-Board Chair

Lone

Lone--we know that--but that is not the way it started--NJOY coming on board was after the concept was formulated. And it begs the question wheather the ECA is just an extention of NJOY or is NJOY part of the ECA?

Sun

 

[LoneRanger]

This should- clear the air-Founding Electronic Association Members:Njoy-Board Chair

Lone

One other point, I do not see SE on the board or a member of.


Lone-(Now 5 days)

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Sun and Lone -

The ECA was formed by suppliers who participate on ECF.

nJoy found out about the ECA by reading my blog.

nJoy contacted Instead in hopes of participating.

Jack Leadbeater, CEO of nJoy, was originally elected temporary VP of the ECA by the members in attendance in Chicago in April.

When Matt Salmon came on board as President and the board was officially elected, Jack was elected Chairman.

Smoking Everywhere is not a part of the ECA, nor could they be based on their marketing issues. If and when they clear up their marketing issues, they can then apply for membership.

This should clear up the speculation that has occurred over the past several posts.

 

[TropicalBob]

Let's hope calm heads can agree that there is NO WAY taxpayers should fund a study on e-smoking. It would set an unacceptable precedent that simply can't be allowed.

And it was not done for any of the present NRT products.

To the FDA, this stuff we puff is mysterious Chinese snake oil and it is up to the snake oil salesman to prove his product does exactly as specified and/or intended, without serious side effects. That is as it should be.

It is 100% the responsibility of manufacturers/sellers to abide by drug regulations, test their own products to be used in human bodies for medical conditions, apply for approvals and fund it all! That has not been done. That's the root cause of our current problems.

 

[Angela]

.. but no-one here is naive enough to think that we won't be funding the studies one way or another, surely?

If it isn't overtly referred to as a contribution towards funding tests, then if full studies are done then they will increase prices to fund them.

 

[Duckies]

.. but no-one here is naive enough to think that we won't be funding the studies one way or another, surely?

If it isn't overtly referred to as a contribution towards funding tests, then if full studies are done then they will increase prices to fund them.

Thats not how the FDA works. It is up to the company creating the product to fund the tests and THEN submit them for approval.

 

[Angela]

Thats not how the FDA works. It is up to the company creating the product to fund the tests and THEN submit them for approval.

Yes.... and the company creating the product who funds the tests pass the cost of those tests on to the consumer, meaning that we ultimately fund them one way or another. That was my point.

 

[LoneRanger]

Yes.... and the company creating the product who funds the tests pass the cost of those tests on to the consumer, meaning that we ultimately fund them one way or another. That was my point.

Thats how companys work & if you do not purchase their product it cost you nothing.The consumer pays for research,development, marketing,plus plus plus......

 

[LoneRanger]

Thats not how the FDA works. It is up to the company creating the product to fund the tests and THEN submit them for approval.

I agree 100% Thats how the FDA works.

 

[LoneRanger]

I agree 100% Thats how the FDA works.

No tickie no washee.

 

[LoneRanger]

TB--there is no way that anyone but the Manufactures that are going to paying for the requisite studies. That is set in stone.




Lacey--Thanks for the timeline of events. It still begs the question wheather NJOY and the ECA are on the same path or wheather NJOY has its own motivations and there is a conflict of interest there.

Nor does it explain why the ECA did not implede itself into this litigation unless the ECA is banking on NJOY to represent all the interests of all parties concerned with the ECA as this sure leaves a lot of room for a confict of interest to arise.

Sun

Sun, I would be safe to say that Njoy and ECA are on the same path.Without being redundant.Trust Me!

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun, I would be safe to say that Njoy and ECA are on the same path.Without being redundant.Trust Me!

Lone--NJOY is huge compared to the other members there---so it really makes no difference anyway. NJOY is going to do what is best for NJOY and I still contend that the ECA should have impleded themselfs into the case.


Sun

 

[LoneRanger]

Lone--NJOY is huge compared to the other members there---so it really makes no difference anyway. NJOY is going to do what is best for NJOY and I still contend that the ECA should have impleded themselfs into the case.


Sun

I respect your point of view.But there is more going on than we (or I) have info on.The best of The best are involved. Trust Me!

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I respect your point of view.But there is more going on than we (or I) have info on.The best of The best are involved. Trust Me!

One thing when it comes to litigation Lone---everybody is in it for what is best for them---and rightfully so.

The point I am making is that ECA should be in that case so "all" interests of "all" suppliers are represented. It is only common sense.

Sun

 

[Duckies]

Yes.... and the company creating the product who funds the tests pass the cost of those tests on to the consumer, meaning that we ultimately fund them one way or another. That was my point.

Ah -- I misunderstood you. I agree. Thats just the cost of doing business. Good news is that if they are approved, sales will skyrocket offsetting some of these costs -- or one can hope!

 

[LoneRanger]

Ah -- I misunderstood you. I agree. Thats just the cost of doing business. Good news is that if they are approved, sales will skyrocket offsetting some of these costs -- or one can hope!

Yes! The cost of doing business
Sun: If all was said and done it would have been over weeks ago.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Yes! The cost of doing business
Sun: If all was said and done it would have been over weeks ago.

I really do not know what you are referring to Lone--the case? The case could not resolve itself weeks ago as there is another hearing to be had. Judge Leon will not rule until after this hearing as there are two statutory schemes he has in which he could rule under.

Sun

 

[Duckies]

One thing when it comes to litigation Lone---everybody is in it for what is best for them---and rightfully so.

The point I am making is that ECA should be in that case so "all" interests of "all" suppliers are represented. It is only common sense.

Sun

If so, this means that the ECA is pursuing the "we are in the tobacco category" line as opposed to going after controlled drug approval? nJoy drew a line in the sand (which I can understand as they did it in April), but that may not be in the best interest of the other suppliers. On the other hand, one could argue that as goes nJoy goes the industry.

I just wish they would have taken a different approach from the get go (when they started manufacturing, not when they filed the suit).