Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

[BigJimW]

With bottled water I can see that point as valid - How would one explain to a child how to distinguish it from regular bottled water? Particularly if the child is too young to read - Seriously - Nicotin Water - That was just a silly idea!

edit: - same thing goes for the lollypops - too child friendly -

And I suppose you're ALSO not for Nicotine Gummy Bears, then?


I was just gonna go file my patent too.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

ZERO replies from any other re-sellers.

I did bump you in there a few times today as unfortunately, I think this really good thread got lost. So you have a few replies now

 

[killdozerd11]

So Sun, what could they say about those of us that don't use nicotine anyway? I mean, just because the device CAN vaporize nicotine, doesn't mean that everyone vapes it with nicotine. I mean, I plan on being zero nic rather quick here, and I dont have the funds to just stockpile like some can do. I am the only working parent of two, and my paydays just don't stretch that far.

Is there any way that these devices would get by as novelties without nicotine? So what if I am vaping flavoring and PG/VG. Who cares, none of those substances is a drug.

A friend of mine was pulled over by a cop because he had drove away from a liquor store.

When he asked the cop why did you pull me over ?
The cop replied:
You just left that liquor store and are potentially drinking and driving


To which my friend (who did not have any alcoholic beverages at the time)
Said:
Then you better charge me with rape to because my **** is hard


The Thought Police Are Just Around The Corner Folks.
They Know Your Intent Better Than You Do

 

[Bones]

And I suppose you're ALSO not for Nicotine Gummy Bears, then?


I was just gonna go file my patent too.

No! @$#& those too -

 

[Applejackson]

I have to say in my opinion that I think if the major tobacco companies do produce E-ciggerettes and corner the market with better products at cheaper prices then of course they will find a way to make it produce vapor that causes cancer.Yep what ever crap you aren't getting in you
e-cigg.now will surley be replaced by thousands of chemicals and of course the same side effect you get with analogs,you know death.If you think they are just happy with the money your wrong they have so much money they could probabley invent a safe ciggerette but it is also about taking lives.Yes I do believe they are murderes and know it.

That seems a little overly paranoid. Why would they want to kill their customers? You think they're just like, "Hey guys, we've got so much friggin' money, who even cares about making more? We're already in business though, so why don't we make sure we kill a bunch of people? C'mon, it'll be fun!"? I think they're lacking in the morality department, for sure, but to say their goal is to kill people is a bit reactionary.

 

[sherid]

That seems a little overly paranoid. Why would they want to kill their customers? You think they're just like, "Hey guys, we've got so much friggin' money, who even cares about making more? We're already in business though, so why don't we make sure we kill a bunch of people? C'mon, it'll be fun!"? I think they're lacking in the morality department, for sure, but to say their goal is to kill people is a bit reactionary.

Actually, he sounds much like one of those trolls from anti-smoking

 

[UptownRiot]

I've been trying to understand what is going on here, and I've seen a lot of questions about the predicted or likely outcome of this case. What I have not seen a lot of discussions on are the actual ramifications of a ruling in favor of the FDA here.

Would that mean that all shipments of e-liquid and e-cigarettes regardless of size would be halted?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I've been trying to understand what is going on here, and I've seen a lot of questions about the predicted or likely outcome of this case. What I have not seen a lot of discussions on are the actual ramifications of a ruling in favor of the FDA here.

Would that mean that all shipments of e-liquid and e-cigarettes regardless of size would be halted?

Uptown---the short answer is yes. It would set legally clarify, by the Court's interpertation, that the e-cig is a new combination drug and medical devise that has to go though the application and approval process before it can be sold and marketed, and that the FDA has not overreached its authority to place an embargo on the importation of them into the Country.

Sun

 

[UptownRiot]

Oh man. Being only a few weeks into the use of e-cigs and being so excited about the possibility of ditching my analogs, finally, this potential is crushing. I mean, even if I could actually buy enough to last the 2 year shelf life of the nic juice there's nothing saying that a theoretical embargo would be over by then.

 

[Krakkan]

Sun will this clinical study for Njoy affect the case whatsoever I found this tonight:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/27340-nci-ecig-clinical-trials-looking-particapants.html

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun will this clinical study for Njoy affect the case whatsoever I found this tonight:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cig-clinical-trials-looking-particapants.html

Krakkan---It will have no bearing on the case or defining the current status on the e-cig. But it is a giant step toward the future of the eig for down the road. If the manufactures had done these studies prior, the Court would at least have something to hang it's hat on. To say to the Court today that the NCI is in the process of starting a clinical trial, only supports the FDA's postion that there is no date about this product and it need to go though the approval process.

Sun

 

[Krakkan]

Krakkan---It will have no bearing on the case or defining the current status on the e-cig. But it is a giant step toward the future of the eig for down the road. If the manufactures had done these studies prior, the Court would at least have something to hang it's hat on. To say to the Court today that the NCI is in the process of starting a clinical trial, only supports the FDA's postion that there is no date about this product and it need to go though the approval process.

Sun

Cool thanks did not know if it would help saw NCI calling them tobacco product over and over is all.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Cool thanks did not know if it would help saw NCI calling them tobacco product over and over is all.

Krakkan--they are comparing it to tobacco and as an NRT:

The study's aim is to develop a clinical model that can be used to measure the nicotine delivery and tobacco/nicotine abstinence-suppressing capability of electronic devices that are marketed as a means to deliver nicotine to cigarette smokers. The study will compare the nicotine delivery, cardiovascular effects, and tobacco withdrawal suppressing effects of two devices currently marketed in the U.S.: Crown Seven and NJOY. Specifically, the effects of these devices will be compared with the effects of own brand cigarettes (positive control), and an abstinence condition (sham smoking; puffing from an unlit cigarette). The primary hypothesis is that the nicotine delivery, withdrawal suppression, and other effects of electronic devices marketed as a means to deliver nicotine to smokers can be measured during a period of acute exposure.

An NRT is now what many of us really want, but is what we may end up with down the road. -------Sun

 

[Krakkan]

Krakkan--they are comparing it to tobacco and as an NRT:

The study's aim is to develop a clinical model that can be used to measure the nicotine delivery and tobacco/nicotine abstinence-suppressing capability of electronic devices that are marketed as a means to deliver nicotine to cigarette smokers. The study will compare the nicotine delivery, cardiovascular effects, and tobacco withdrawal suppressing effects of two devices currently marketed in the U.S.: Crown Seven and NJOY. Specifically, the effects of these devices will be compared with the effects of own brand cigarettes (positive control), and an abstinence condition (sham smoking; puffing from an unlit cigarette). The primary hypothesis is that the nicotine delivery, withdrawal suppression, and other effects of electronic devices marketed as a means to deliver nicotine to smokers can be measured during a period of acute exposure.

An NRT is now what many of us really want, but is what we may end up with down the road. -------Sun

Thanks Sun

 

[LuckyCharm]

The study will compare the nicotine delivery, cardiovascular effects, and tobacco withdrawal suppressing effects of two devices currently marketed in the U.S.: Crown Seven and NJOY.

Sun, how did they decide on these two models? NJOY will always have a special place in my heart, being my first e-cig, but now that I've got a Prodigy my NJOYs are pining away for attention...

Seems like if they really wanted to study it, they'd go with something that packs a good, reliable punch. With the NJOY, I still craved analogs occasionally (though never actually succumbed).

~~Cheryl

 

[IronyAlways]

So,
Assuming the worst case scenario, couldn't e-cigs be marketed as vaporizers for zero nicotine juice? That way, the only thing "illegal" to obtain would be the actual nicotine juice.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

So,
Assuming the worst case scenario, couldn't e-cigs be marketed as vaporizers for zero nicotine juice? That way, the only thing "illegal" to obtain would be the actual nicotine juice.

If the Judge rules for the FDA--then that argument does not work for the reasons already stated here---please read the thread and you will find a lot of the Court updates. Thanks,

Sun

 

[LoneRanger]

Sun,I just want to say THANKS for your effort. Just signed up as member of forum today (lost my job week b4 last thanks, fda) Following your forum for 2 months plus.Again THANKS

LoneRanger

 

[KennyC]

Hi guys, I am a new poster here, I am considering starting a retail Kiosk selling E-cigs, still haven't decided on a supplier yet, and now I am concerned that the product maybe be shut down soon by the FDA?
Can anyone confirn this or should I move forward with my business plan?

Also, I like the 2 piece E cig designs with the atomizer in each cart, any suggestions?

Thanks,

KennyC

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Hi guys, I am a new poster here, I am considering starting a retail Kiosk selling E-cigs, still haven't decided on a supplier yet, and now I am concerned that the product maybe be shut down soon by the FDA?
Can anyone confirn this or should I move forward with my business plan?

Also, I like the 2 piece E cig designs with the atomizer in each cart, any suggestions?

Thanks,

KennyC

Kenny--no one can confirm anything at this point in time about anything in all honesty.

Sun