Smoking Near Apple Computers Voids Warranty

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The_janty_Misfit

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Um guys, I don't know how many of you actually have Macs but I do, and I have for about 15 years. They may say one thing in the fine print but in practice it doesn't go down that way.
My experience (and every friend I have who has a Mac) may not be universal but any time I've ever had something happen to any of my Macs they just fix it, for free. I've had what amounts to the entire innards of 2 different macs replaced at no charge, once completely out of warranty.
My Macbook went kablooey after 4 months. I took it in to send it off for repairs and they just went in the back and got me a new one- they didn't have the model I'd gotten so they gave me the next step up. No questions, nothing to fill out- they transferred my data and handed it to me.

The last time I went in to the store to ask about a problem I was having the guy noticed that my case had a hairline crack next to the track pad. Without any prompting from me he took it in the back and replaced the entire keyboard and inside case.

So yeah, just something to consider.

If you're going to stir a pot….

I am of two minds on Macintosh Computers. As The86d pointed out, they are only to be had at what can only be described as super-premium prices. Anyone who wants to contest that fact is welcome to compare the guts of a PC and a Macintosh computer and get back to me: he/she will find that the same board/chipset is often to be found in both and the only differences are either purely cosmetic (the case) and, of course, the operating system. Given this, you're paying more, f**kloads more, for the Macintosh.

The confusion only deepens when you consider the operating system. MacOs is a very good operating system with a user-interface engineered and tested to be both as idiot proof (if not actually idiot-friendly) as it possibly can be and this is one of the things that Macs Apple-users pump their teeny fists in the air and shout out, 'go mac!'

The only problem with this is that the only thing 'Apple' about that Operating System is the GUI itself. Years, and years ago, Apple realized that its code-base was complete crap and replaced it with a proprietary snapshot of BSD-UNIX and solved the, "our codebase is crap" problem basically by taking a freely-distributed version of UNIX with parts written by thousands of programmers world-wide, and locking it up behind the license that BSD's way of looking at things allowed them to write. It makes you imagine a very thin CEO looking East every morning and saying, "thanks, suckers! We don't' even owe you a royalty check!"

Where it pertains to service, the service that anyone hears about (and actually *listens to*) is either of the "Someone I met sent a letter to Steve Jobs and he sent him back the biggest possible powerbook signed in platinum wire and tickets to the superbowl, and a tricycle for his sick kid!!" Or they are the other kind of story of which the piece in the news is just an egregious example.

The news piece that is powering this thread is not what many of the angry young men here seem to think it is: it is certainly not an attempt by apple to void warranties to save itself money. If you read the article closely, you see that there were only *two* confirmable reported cases of apple voiding warranties for smoking.

Even if you threw in a fudge-factor of ten, that would mean that the service centers had rejected a total of twenty units. Most repairs on computers are "pull-and-replace" repairs: you don't test boards, hunt for the one bad capacitor in twenty of them, you rip out the board, put in one exactly like it, close the case and send it on its way. A skilled technician with the right tools can do that in less than an hour.

Even if Apple billed itself the $75-hour rate it once billed customers for labor in out-of-warranty repairs, that would mean it was saving itself a whopping $1,500, for any company the size of Apple, they would have to do that for years before they even *began* to feel it—and mind you, this example starts with the assumption that the number of comps rejected were *ten times* what the piece quoted.
So, the whole, "Apple-is-a-bunch-of-skinflint-meanies" theory makes little sense. Unfortunately, the theory that *does make sense is something nastier.

Basically, someone in one or more of Apple's repair centers said that cigarette residue on a case or in the components of a computer (in all probability, less nicotine than I've consumed while writing this) constitutes exposing the unit to hazardous waste which could harm the technician and therefore voided the warranty. It means that someone at Apple said this, and no one said, 'you're fired… get someone sane to take over his station.'

It meant that some patchouli-smelling flunky with a powered-screwdriver at an Apple repair center decided that a smoker was undeserving of having a functioning computer if it meant exposure to dried out cigarette-residue and that everyone around and above him at the center said words that meant, "yes, I agree with you—let's screw that customer into the ground."

That seems a lot more likely than anything else and a lot more frightening.

[This note was written on a 24-inch imac]
 

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If you're going to stir a pot….

I wasn't stirring pots, I wasn't trolling. On the contrary; I was simply giving my real world, first person experience of how Apple often handles warranty and repair situations.

You on the other hand walked in with a ladle.

I am too busy to concern myself with the (exciting, I'm sure) details of history of the codebase of the operating system that I prefer.

I don't pump my "teeny fists in the air and shout" about the "idiot-friendly" OS I prefer.

Nor do I care about the cost analysis of the repair model that Apple employs.

As I stated previously- what I do care about is that 99% of the time my machine of choice works perfectly. When it doesn't I get it repaired for free, usually in under 3 days, with no hassle.
 

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Apple's no-smoking warranty nonsense
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I'm not a smoker. I don't enjoy being in the presence of cigarette smoke. But I still had mixed feelings about the UK workplace smoking ban: you can't argue with the health benefits, but I am not a fan of Whitehall telling people what they can and cannot do in the comfort of their own pub. And now Apple wants in on the health fascism.


According to The Consumerist, Apple repair centres in the US have recently refused to mend at least two laptops because their owners were smokers. (The full story is here: Apple 'won't repair machines belonging to smokers'.)

Typically, Apple hasn't commented on the story. (I believe the Pope remains dedicated to Roman Catholicism.)

As such, it's difficult to ascertain the true reason behind the anti-puff stance but, according to The Consumerist, Apple justified the decision to the customers by saying that the amount of residual cigarette smoke inside the computers makes it dangerous for staff to work on them. Which is up there with 'the dog ate my homework' in the excuses stake.

(For the record, The Consumerist is part of a group of respected US consumer organisations known as the Consumers Union/Consumer Reports. Think Which? in the UK. So while it's not PC Advisor's story, it's from a credible source.)

Although the story broke only late last week, The Consumerist says it has been on Apple's case about it for months, and the complaint has been raised as far as the big boss: Steve Jobs. All to no avail.

Is Apple justified in this stance? Well, no. And not least because there's nothing about smoking in the Apple warranties that these products are, in principle, covered by.

Apple repair workers absolutely have the right to work in a smoke-free environment. Of course they do. But Apple customers who purchase a product and warranty in good faith have an equal right to see that agreement adhered to without the goalposts being shifted.

Apple's no-smoking warranty nonsense - Blogs - PC Advisor
 

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I don't see the biohazard but as a smoker and some what of a geek i can see why they would say it voids the warranty. Dust is one thing but sticky and dust is bad.

I've always blown my pc's out every 2 weeks or so and even then the build up over a few months is massive compared to a non smokey environment(or oily like someone mentioned). You should have seen the inside of my 3 year old power supply...it was nasty and runs much quieter/cooler after a good disassembly and cleaning. Next week i'll see how much dust and smoke 10 x 120mm filtered fans can drag in in 3 months since i have been lazy.

I will say at idle the cpu and gpu are up a few °C.
 

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The only problem with this is that the only thing 'Apple' about that Operating System is the GUI itself. Years, and years ago, Apple realized that its code-base was complete crap and replaced it with a proprietary snapshot of BSD-UNIX and solved the, "our codebase is crap" problem basically by taking a freely-distributed version of UNIX with parts written by thousands of programmers world-wide, and locking it up behind the license that BSD's way of looking at things allowed them to write.
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[This note was written on a 24-inch imac]
Thank you.

Apple is number one in customer service. I can show you which finger, raised REAL HIGH.

Apple junkies should talk to GeekSquad employees about how many iPod returns they have had in a %age. The newer ones might be solid state now.

I was told be the two last "Agents" we hired from BestBuy there that the iPods had the highest return rate of any thing they dealt with for service. This is old-school. Most Mac-FanboiZ and Mac-FanGhouls are again fans of new stuff, and I run a "dedicated" Slackware Linux Box here at home. This proves MY knowledge AND experience with more than just "user" use.

I thought I was the only "More than just a 'USER'" on this 4um.
 

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I know from firsthand experience working as a computer repair tech for a couple years that smoking near a computer CAN be very, very bad for it. If you clean it out regularly, there's not really a problem, but my coworker and I both smoked and we HATED working on computers with two inches of dark brown, sticky, "dust" that filled every crack and crevice of the tower. It usually took at least an hour to clean with an air compressor and cleaning wipes it to the point that we could even work on it in the least and we charged accordingly. The dust obviously clogs up airflow and insulates everything leading to overheating. Also, I've seen it totally kill the motors and gears that open the CD/DVD drives.

I don't think it would be much of a biohazard, but it wasn't at all pleasant. Now working on towers that have rodent nests built in them complete with droppings, dead cockroaches, or a dead mouse that got fried from urinating on the video card, those are biohazards. And yes, I've personally seen all those.
 

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If you're going to stir a pot….

I am of two minds on Macintosh Computers. As The86d pointed out, they are only to be had at what can only be described as super-premium prices. Anyone who wants to contest that fact is welcome to compare the guts of a PC and a Macintosh computer and get back to me: he/she will find that the same board/chipset is often to be found in both and the only differences are either purely cosmetic (the case) and, of course, the operating system. Given this, you're paying more, f**kloads more, for the Macintosh.

True for all consumer based macs (taking out the fact it is very hard to build your own system in a monitor). This is not totally true for the dual processor mac pro. Comparing it with something like the Dell T7400 shows it is very competitive when configured similarly. The same goes for HP workstations.

Building a dual processor E5520 workstation yourself is a different matter. You could build one for 2k, and it should be relatively quite.

If you're going to stir a pot….
The confusion only deepens when you consider the operating system. MacOs is a very good operating system with a user-interface engineered and tested to be both as idiot proof (if not actually idiot-friendly) as it possibly can be and this is one of the things that Macs Apple-users pump their teeny fists in the air and shout out, 'go mac!'

How did you know I have small fists and I like to pump them in the air at random yelling "I love steve. Apple FTW.".

The only problem with this is that the only thing 'Apple' about that Operating System is the GUI itself. Years, and years ago, Apple realized that its code-base was complete crap and replaced it with a proprietary snapshot of BSD-UNIX and solved the, "our codebase is crap" problem basically by taking a freely-distributed version of UNIX with parts written by thousands of programmers world-wide, and locking it up behind the license that BSD's way of looking at things allowed them to write. It makes you imagine a very thin CEO looking East every morning and saying, "thanks, suckers! We don't' even owe you a royalty check!"

OS-X (darwin) is open source. They also release tons of source code into the public domain. All of the core elements introduced in 10.6 have been released to the public. They also hired the main programmer from the LLVM project in order to 'fund' the continuation of this (arguably) ground breaking compiler.

The only parts of OS-X that is proprietary is Cocoa... the GUI.

I could be very wrong on this, but I believe the entirety of Win 7 is proprietary.

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That seems a lot more likely than anything else and a lot more frightening.

[This note was written on a 24-inch imac]

I agree with most of what you said. I did not think you had to refer to people in the manner you have. As it stands now I must be a small fisted patchouli wearing elitists who most likely smokes an overpriced e-pipe :D.

When I do make it out of my moms basement (after she has made chocolate chip cookies.. yum), I do get to use her Win 7 system. I find it just as easy as my over priced pc, and quite enjoyable to work with (not being sarcastic. I do like it and use it quite often).


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Thank you.

I was told be the two last "Agents" we hired from BestBuy there that the iPods had the highest return rate of any thing they dealt with for service. This is old-school. Most Mac-FanboiZ and Mac-FanGhouls are again fans of new stuff, and I run a "dedicated" Slackware Linux Box here at home. This proves MY knowledge AND experience with more than just "user" use.

I thought I was the only "More than just a 'USER'" on this 4um.

The "Agents" I have interviewed and dealt with have a moral structure just above serial killer. Ethically challenged in almost all facets of life. They failed the simple ethical question of "what should you do if you find a diary detailing a murder during data recovery given your contractual agreement of total data privacy?".

This is no way implies all "Agents" are unethical.
 

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The "Agents" I have interviewed and dealt with have a moral structure just above serial killer...

I recall hearing from both "Agents" that we hired a story about an "Agent" that had a cell phone on the customer site...

He placed it in video mode, and video taped a secret shower scene of the client's daughter. I was told that he was not local, but did happen.

Most that are Computer Ninjas and Network Ninjas do have issues in social situations, and people like myself have no problem with that.

I am a former Marine, and I make too much eye contact on purpose so some may think (although it may not be too far from the truth) that I have the moral structure just above serial killer, yet I use my power for MOSTLY good, and then some GREY HAT tinkering.

Most Mac fanBoys (and fanGhouls) are "MAC USERS FOR LIFE", when most PC users KNOW they are JUST USERS and Mac users don't. You see way less Windows users, or even Windows Power Users with the ....-headed bragging like Mac users.

If it is rare for someone to drop to the cli, change router settings externally, or even ssh into a dedicated server at home, then you are most likely "just a user" and should not be such a loud FanBoi/FanGhoul.

Accept it. heheee Just my thoughts, I could be wrong...
 

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Most Mac fanBoys (and fanGhouls) are "MAC USERS FOR LIFE", when most PC users KNOW they are JUST USERS and Mac users don't. You see way less Windows users, or even Windows Power Users with the ....-headed bragging like Mac users.

If it is rare for someone to drop to the cli, change router settings externally, or even ssh into a dedicated server at home...


I hear more juvenile posturing and bragging about "mad skillz" from PC people than I've ever heard from a Mac user.
They seem fond of dated matrix-style hax0r posturing, throwing about jargon that they consider arcane and impressive, when in fact they're simply talking about things people do every day.
 

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I recall hearing from both "Agents" that we hired a story about an "Agent" that had a cell phone on the customer site...

He placed it in video mode, and video taped a secret shower scene of the client's daughter. I was told that he was not local, but did happen.

Wow. That is on a whole different playing field.

Most that are Computer Ninjas and Network Ninjas do have issues in social situations, and people like myself have no problem with that.

Personally I don't have a problem with guys that have social hiccups. Everyone is different.

I probably should not have made the statement about "Agents". I have bad impressions of a few, and as a consequence I have become biased against the rest. Two out of thousands is not a good sample.

I am a former Marine, and I make too much eye contact on purpose so some may think (although it may not be too far from the truth) that I have the moral structure just above serial killer, yet I use my power for MOSTLY good, and then some GREY HAT tinkering.

Grey hat tinkering is needed for sure. I fully believe there is a such thing as ethical hacking. It's one thing to find a hole. It is another to exploit it.

Most Mac fanBoys (and fanGhouls) are "MAC USERS FOR LIFE", when most PC users KNOW they are JUST USERS and Mac users don't. You see way less Windows users, or even Windows Power Users with the ....-headed bragging like Mac users.

I see it all to often. The cult of mac/personality guys.

If it is rare for someone to drop to the cli, change router settings externally, or even ssh into a dedicated server at home, then you are most likely "just a user" and should not be such a loud FanBoi/FanGhoul.

Agreed. I sometimes get the impression from some people that they need to justify the price they paid for their mac. This occurs more with casual users that have switched from PC. They will not let themselves think that it is just a computer. I don't understand why. I own two macs. I know I paid more for them. I develop software for macs. I also can not afford have an update break my usability (if I were to use the osx86project hacks on a laptop). Anyway, I totally agree with you that mac users can be annoying and sometimes offensive.
 
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If I hear any more of this xxxxx, I'll throw up. It's become a bash-smoker free for all. I'm really tired of what the public is dictating more and more about what smokers can and cannot do, without limits, and including that ecigs should be banned. I guess they are having so much fun bashing smokers that they want to keep them right where they are.
 
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