SmokTech RSST Genesis Rebuildable Atomizer

[zipflint]

Just go easy on the enlarging and you'll be okay. I was pretty satisfied with the air hole on the RSST but just making it maybe half a millimeter larger improves the draw, the flavor, and the clouds. Baby steps. And hey, if you go bananas and make it too large, just tape over that one and start all over.

 

[the4thpower3]

I prefer 5/64 (~2mm) hole on most of my attys.
For some reason my RSST at w 5/64" hole seems to be a bit more airy than others.
I noticed the same thing on one or 2 other attys that have a large chamber/top cap.
I really want to get a Cap it All Vapes reduced chamber top cap for it.

This is mine on my newly acquired 8W

 

[Chris6204]

I personally have had good success with wrapping a thin layer of Cotton or German Silica around a 400 mesh almost solid wick. The wrap is above the deck. Coil is 28ga. Ribbon Kanthol, 3/2 wrap at usually .8 ohms. Zero wicking issues, always tastes fantastic and big clouds using a 1/16" airhole and 50/50 pg/vg ratio.

Last night I tried xc-116 ceramic wick micro coil by itself 4/3 wrap with ribbon 28 ga. Kanthol Metering at .7 ohms. The wick could barely keep up and "Did not" taste as good as the German silica or cotton mesh wrap. By the way, the cotton I use is Walmart's Peaches and Cream prepped by boiling for 3+ hours. Going to experiment more today.

 

[SilverZero]

I personally have had good success with wrapping a thin layer of Cotton or German Silica around a 400 mesh almost solid wick. The wrap is above the deck. Coil is 28ga. Ribbon Kanthol, 3/2 wrap at usually .8 ohms. Zero wicking issues, always tastes fantastic and big clouds using a 1/16" airhole and 50/50 pg/vg ratio.

Last night I tried xc-116 ceramic wick micro coil by itself 4/3 wrap with ribbon 28 ga. Kanthol Metering at .7 ohms. The wick could barely keep up and "Did not" taste as good as the German silica or cotton mesh wrap. By the way, the cotton I use is Walmart's Peaches and Cream prepped by boiling for 3+ hours. Going to experiment more today.

You boil it for three hours??

 

[t.d]

I prefer 5/64 (~2mm) hole on most of my attys.
For some reason my RSST at w 5/64" hole seems to be a bit more airy than others.
I noticed the same thing on one or 2 other attys that have a large chamber/top cap.
I really want to get a Cap it All Vapes reduced chamber top cap for it.

This is mine on my newly acquired 8W

Beautiful mod

Is that the 18650 tube with a hybrid connector?

 

[Chris6204]

Yes. I noticed when I started experimenting with cotton that it does need to be prepped by boiling to get the best taste off the gate. 30 - 60 mins of boiling does not yield the same results. What I do now is let the cotton boil for 30 mins then rinse the cotton with tap water, then boil another 30 mins and repeat this process for a total of about 3 hours. After I finish boiling the cotton I paper towel dry by letting the paper towel absorb the moisture from the cotton and then let the cotton air dry. When prepped this way the cotton tastes the best out of the gate with zero residual taste from the get go.

 

[zipflint]

THAT is dedication.
Props to ya bro. I'm not that patient.

 

[Chris6204]

It is worth it, just tastes better. This is how I build it... The pic with the coil may be hard to see, try saving the pic and zoom in on it. This 3/2 wrap 28ga. Ribbon Kanthol .8 ohm build hits harder then my Ithaka dual coil at .8 ohm. Easy to build, hardly ever a hot spot when setting up the coil.

 

[zipflint]

I've been meaning to ask, re: ribbon kanthal:

When you trap it, do you try to make sure it lays flat? I've been messing with it and I always wind up squashing it. The results are not good. And I'm pretty sure that's why.

 

[Chris6204]

I had the same issue with 28ga. Ribbon at first. I twist the ribbon just before the post a tad and make sure the positive post makes as much contact as possible with as much of the ribbon surface as possible to get the best connection. A little practice and you will get it.

 

[zipflint]

Thanks for the tip. Giving it that twist makes sense. MAN that stuff is springy! Even after torching it....

I had the same issue with 28ga. Ribbon at first. I twist the ribbon just before the post a tad and make sure the positive post makes as much contact as possible with as much of the ribbon surface as possible to get the best connection. A little practice and you will get it.

 

[Chris6204]

Anyone try filling the top cap or modifying it so there is less space or volume inside the cap? I have two RSST so I can experiment with one when I have the time or the inclination. Since I am off work today I have been experimenting and was thinking hmm, what if the interior of the cap was smaller, wouldn't the vape or at least the flavor improve so I placed cotton on the inside on the deck (see pic). What I got out of adding the cotton is more vapor and more flavor.

Anyone try decreasing the volume inside the top cap and have been successful doing something different?

 

[ScandaLeX]

@ Chris6204 - How much cotton did you use there?

 

[Lhartman89]

Anyone try filling the top cap or modifying it so there is less space or volume inside the cap? I have two RSST so I can experiment with one when I have the time or the inclination. Since I am off work today I have been experimenting and was thinking hmm, what if the interior of the cap was smaller, wouldn't the vape or at least the flavor improve so I placed cotton on the inside on the deck (see pic). What I got out of adding the cotton is more vapor and more flavor.

Anyone try decreasing the volume inside the top cap and have been successful doing something different?

There is a company called JB Steam Works that is making a reducer for the RSST. They also make a SS tank for it. The insert is $30 and the tank is $50 though so they are not cheap. Dan from the Porous Ceramic thread first came up with the reduction insert I believe. Kidney Puncher has the SS tank for sale.

JB Steamworks Stainless Steel RSST Tank - Kidney Puncher

This is the video that I saw and how I found out about the SS tank and the reduction insert.

 

[Chris6204]

The cotton is Walmart's Peaches and Cream. Note, the cotton has been prepped by boiling in water and air dried before application. I do this with any cotton used inside a atty.

I am not sure of the exact length but is very easy for anyone to figure out and experiment with. What I did was doubled up the cotton strands, coiled around the top of the deck from one side of the wick to the other and then coiled another pair over the first. The cotton is all one piece. I forgot to mention previously that I dampened the filler cotton when I installed it so that it did not accidentally burn in a dried state and so the cotton stayed in place.

So far I have gone through about 3/4 tank setup like this and this is what I have noticed so far:
* slightly warmer vape
* smoother vape, less throat hit but feels like higher TH content in the vape. This could be that I am taking more vapor in because of the smoother vape, not sure.
* the vape feels and tastes creamier with more nuance to the flavor then without the cotton filler
* I have read in a lot of posts that people experience juice on the deck from what they think is condensation. From my experience the wetness on the deck is from the juice splattering when firing. The .8 ohm coils I build create a lot of heat and vapor, juice splatters all over including all over the inside of the top cap. The cotton filler seems to absorb most of this moisture.
* I have two top caps, one with a 1/16" air hole and one slightly larger. I like the vape with the slightly larger air hole with the cotton filler in place. Without the cotton filler I prefer the 1/16" air hole.

I like the vape better with the cotton filler. Definitely worth a try.

 

[Chris6204]

Thanks Lhartman89, I did not know this. An insert, interesting. I am now wondering if a sleeve can be made that will also double up as an adjustable intake air control. I can visualize this happening but would require a bolt head sticking out of the top cap.

 

[LeoRex]

Just dropping a line saying that I am really glad for this thread.... Good ideas abound. My RSST worked GREAT at 1.3ohms... I dropped down to .8 and it STILL worked great, but then I started running into juice starvation issues... damn thing would give an awesome vape, until it didn't. Then I was vaping battery acid. I pulled the bell and fired it and noticed that after a little bit, the vapor production would shut down and the coils would start to glow, even with plenty of juice in the tank. ...! I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT!!!! heh

I fiddled with the wick, bent in the neg and pos leg to increase contact (even though I didn't see any hot legs), twisted the wick a bit to loosen it up a tad... nope. Then saw this thread pop up while I was about to put up a post... and lo and behold, someone with the same issue.... some sage advice was to pull the fill plug to help eliminate a vacuum lock on the tank. I pulled it and the vaping gods smiled upon me as it is wicking much better.

I don't think leaking will be too big an issue. I've emptied the tank a couple of times by tipping and getting juice out the fill hole, and it doesn't come out easy (50/50 NET) so incidental leaks shouldn't be too bad. Though, I used to vape with the wick at 6 o'clock, now I've twisted it to more of a 4/5 o'clock to put that fill hole up higher.

Does mesh's wicking slow over time? When it was fresh last week, it wicked like a fire hose.

 

[Lhartman89]

Here is a video of the RSST reduction chamber. Also some pics and a link to their FB page.

They made a few different versions, but I believe this is the one they are going to be selling.

This is a previous version.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/JB-Steamworks/226860057465803?fref=ts

 

[Chris6204]

Very interesting, thanks for the video link! Here is more of what I am finding out:

* Like most I leave the fill hole cap off for wicking and flavor. Previously I was laying the cotton over the fill hole as seen in pic. Now I do not cover the fill hole and the vape quality went up another notch. More vapor even and flavor increased again.

* as the cotton filler gets saturated the flavor again is increased. Seems like the vape flavor is enhanced or influenced by the juice on the cotton filler. I picked up on this when I was fiddling around with the filler position with my hands and had dried residual of rubbing alcohol on my fingers from cleaning contacts on my mechs. Mind you I barely touched the cotton filler with my fingers when I was fiddling around. When I took a vape I can slightly taste the alcohol the first two vapes I took after repositioning the cotton filler.

So far my little experiments led me to the following conclusions:
Decreasing the interior top cap volume increases the vape quality and the difference is obvious. The vape is richer (more saturated and creamer feeling), more vapor, the flavor is enhanced going in and exhaling and the vape is warmer.

This is so far the best vape I have had on a RSST. Now how to improve on this?! Included are pics showing the original filler setup, how I have it now and the total length of the cotton filler I am using.

 

[the4thpower3]

I just ordered a Reduced RSST Chamber top cap from Cap it All Vapes
https://www.facebook.com/CapItAllVapes?hc_location=stream

I don't think these are drastically reduced; but they do look good

I am hoping for an improvement, but not expecting much.

Captivape used to make a very reduced chamber top cap...
Be nice to try one out - if I could find one.
Maybe it was for an AGA.