Smoktech ZMax Owners - Pics., Tips, Tricks and Quirks

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Shekinahsgroom

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Shkinahsgroom yes and no. The cells theselves again are not made in china. They are sleeved, tested, etc. in china. It's like when someone makes something here in the USA but the parts came from china. It can say made in the USA, doesn't mean that's where every part of it came from.

In order to change and make the claim of a product's origin of manufacture, the product has to be altered in either functionality or design....and since the jacket on an IMR neither has any alteration of the the cell's function nor it's original design, it's origin of manufacture cannot be changed.

The cell could be labeled as packaged in China, but nothing more.

Chinese Rules of Origin and Laws

"Substantial transformation: Substantial transformation means that:

1) the processed product falls into a four-digit tariff item of the harmonised tariff schedule of the PRC different from the tariff item of the materials used in the processing; or

2) the value of non-origin materials is less than 70% of the value of the processed product; or

3) manufacturing and processing standards.

Minor processing: The processing or fabrication, independently or jointly accomplished, for the purposes described as follows shall be deemed as minor processing and shall be disregarded in determining whether the good is wholly obtained from a country:

1) processing or fabrication necessary to maintain the good in good condition for transportation or storage;

2) processing or fabrication for placing the good in condition and ready for shipment; and

3) processing or fabrication such as packing and exhibition for sale of goods."

A new jacket would not change the IMR's HS Code and would fall under the Minor Processing Rules #1, 2 and possibly 3.

Your example would significantly change an export HS code and would be considered as Made in the USA because parts were used to assemble the actual finished product.
 
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You should contact AW then and tell him to remove the made in China label sir, along with efest, and any other manufacturer that has imr batts that say made in China. Don't know what else to tell you. I'm not the person marking them.

Efest IMR's are in fact Chinese made cells.

I only made a point clear with facts man, nothing more.
 

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Yet you just said no imr's are made in China in an earlier post sir, you can't have it both ways. And the efest 18650 3100 and 3400 protected cells are both using the Panasonic cells, which as we both know are made in Japan. According to the law you posted, the pcb and shrink wrap, not to mention label don't account for 70% of the battery itself, but again they say made in China. Just displaying the facts back.
 

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Yet you just said no imr's are made in China in an earlier post sir, you can't have it both ways. And the efest 18650 3100 and 3400 protected cells are both using the Panasonic cells, which as we both know are made in Japan. According to the law you posted, the pcb and shrink wrap, not to mention label don't account for 70% of the battery itself, but again they say made in China. Just displaying the facts back.

Might wanna get out your bi-focals and read that again:

Referencing AW IMR's

And the added PCB's alter a cell's classification, hence changing it's design and it's HS code.

Any more questions?
 

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Sorry Jackbox sir. Have nothing further to say about the subject, no point talking to someone who isn't listening.

Here's something more on topic, worried might have to return my zmax for another. It's taking more screws of the end cap for it to catch the threading than when I first got it, and it took too many then for my liking....
 

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Here's something more on topic, worried might have to return my zmax for another. It's taking more screws of the end cap for it to catch the threading than when I first got it, and it took too many then for my liking....

Mine tries to cross thread itself. You have to be careful. I apply positive pressue on it while screwing it in and unscrewing it so it threads better. They could have put better threads on it. Not precision like it should be.
 

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I think the other thing worth mentioning is that the Zmax "continually firing" problem had nothing to do with the batteries.
The Zmax supposedly has multiple layers of protection and none of these kicked in (which they would of done in the event of battery problems) so there was a problem with the device itself.

For all the folks worried they have "fake" IMR 2000mah 18650AW's because they have "made in China" written on them - don't worry.

The legit IMR AW's have that written on them.
 
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Mine tries to cross thread itself. You have to be careful. I apply positive pressue on it while screwing it in and unscrewing it so it threads better. They could have put better threads on it. Not precision like it should be.

If you have the chrome version then it's manufactured from brass or copper - comparatively soft metals which you have to treat carefully and probably not an ideal situation as the threads on the V/Zmax's are pretty fine.
 

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Agree DirkBongo sir. The only thing about it that might have to do with the batts is using too long a batt or using two 18350 flat tops without the extension cap. Using too long a battery (anything past 67.5mm) doesn't seem like the best idea with the zmax.

The clincher for me is that the 10 second firing limit didn't kick in - definitely a board problem.
 

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Off topic but since I have a "target" audience here I shall ask, the Ody the big one is of great interest to me but if I buy one and it turns out that my modded ViVi Nova performs better I will be P ss T , What do you guys think about this?

A rebuildable is only going to be as good as the coil you put in it.
 

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The clincher for me is that the 10 second firing limit didn't kick in - definitely a board problem.

But we don't know if Natgas' device was actually firing or he had a hard short to the battery. If that is the case the battery would have gotten extremely hot and the heat would transfer to the atty and that could have been the reason the tip melted and the juice boiled out. In a previous post it seemed like Natgas had a hard short by screwing his atty on too tightly, so without a forensic analysis we all are just guessing what actually happened in his case.
 

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But we don't know if Natgas' device was actually firing or he had a hard short to the battery. If that is the case the battery would have gotten extremely hot and the heat would transfer to the atty and that could have been the reason the tip melted and the juice boiled out. In a previous post it seemed like Natgas had a hard short by screwing his atty on too tightly, so without a forensic analysis we all are just guessing what actually happened in his case.

Seems he had a problem within his a few minutes of first using it, which sounded like a short. You're right, we don't know.
Not hearing of this happening with others, and I hope it doesn't. Unlike that mod that got recalled because it went crazy on people (can't remember the name off the top of my head - but it was bad).
 

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A rebuildable is only going to be as good as the coil you put in it.
I'm getting better with mesh but silica is just plain easy since learning how Optimo-ize them. Here is what I'm toying with lately, I used it on Young June LT for a while before I became brave enough to put it on Zmax. It worked out just fine.View attachment 141975
 
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