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AttyPops

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Believe me, I have dug in. The entire purpose of obamacare was not to insure people but to destroy the private market to give government complete control over healthcare.

I have checked the history and spent almost 5 years doing so. Progressivism doesn't mean the Democratic Party, both parties sold out. The Progressive movement came out of the U.K and the London School of Economics. They are know there as Fabian Socialists... we just happen to call it progressivism here. The progressive movement was so discredited after the Woodrow Wilson Administration (the most evil president that has ever held the office, but someone else is vying for that spot) that they went underground for years. They re-emerged as "liberals." A name they stole from libertarians. Liberalism has a negative connotation with many Americans and now they have made a full circle back to progressive.:)

That first part is total-lie-propaganda Pepper. Sorry. Not buying it. Surprised that you were duped so easily. :(

Yes, there's other progressive movements also, linked to communism, and disbanded too. Modern philosophy, however, is progressivism...that's true. My point wasn't to debate terms and labels. My point was that a conservative group back in 1912 had such an agenda. And was also worried about big business corrupting both Republicans and Democrats. I found it interesting. There it was 100 years ago...national health care and working for the people not only-for-big-money.

Here's one link to modern progressivism info, Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for anyone following along. But that wasn't the point, really. The point is that ACA ideas are over 100 years old.

And I didn't say that Democrat = Progressive. But the Dems are more open to progressivism's ideas, sure.
 
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Progressivism is good! ;)

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wrong, pepper, wrong! but too late in the day to get into it ;)

That first part is total-lie-propaganda Pepper. Sorry. Not buying it. Surprised that you were duped so easily. :(

Yes, there's other progressive movements also, linked to communism, and disbanded too. Modern philosophy, however, is progressivism...that's true. My point wasn't to debate terms and labels. My point was that a conservative group back in 1912 had such an agenda. And was also worried about big business corrupting both Republicans and Democrats. I found it interesting. There it was 100 years ago...national health care and working for the people not only-for-big-money.

Here's one link to modern progressivism info, Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for anyone following along. But that wasn't the point, really. The point is that ACA ideas are over 100 years old.

And I didn't say that Democrat = Progressive. But the Dems are more open to progressivism's ideas, sure.

I'll let Obama say it with his own mouth. You can't have a single payer system with private market health insurance. So, the private market has to be gone for a government controled system, single payer, to happen. And yes, atty, it has been a dream of the progressive movement for 100 years and they were willing to do whatever it took to get it passed; and they did so with lies and deceit. You remember Obama saying: you can keep you health plan if you like it.
 
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That first part is total-lie-propaganda Pepper. Sorry. Not buying it. Surprised that you were duped so easily. :(

Yes, there's other progressive movements also, linked to communism, and disbanded too. Modern philosophy, however, is progressivism...that's true. My point wasn't to debate terms and labels. My point was that a conservative group back in 1912 had such an agenda. And was also worried about big business corrupting both Republicans and Democrats. I found it interesting. There it was 100 years ago...national health care and working for the people not only-for-big-money.

Here's one link to modern progressivism info, Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for anyone following along. But that wasn't the point, really. The point is that ACA ideas are over 100 years old.

And I didn't say that Democrat = Progressive. But the Dems are more open to progressivism's ideas, sure.

What other progressive movements? The progressive ideology that's in power today is the same one that was in power 100 years ago. Progressivism is no different than communism in ideology. The difference is how they obtain power. Progressives do it through evolution, tiny steps; and communists do it through revolution. They both offer a utopia: You can have it all if you give us all the power over your lives. Everyone will have healthcare, food, housing, jobs... in fact, it's guaranteed. But it always fails and leaves any given society with total destruction and death.

Progressivism has contempt for the individual. The individual does not know what's best for himself. We, the elite, know what's best for you and society because we're smarter, better educated, more cultured, than you stupid little people.

Here's a perfect example. Jonathan Gruber, an M.I.T economics professor, and architect of Obamacare, in his own words. There are many more. but i'll save that for another time. By the way, he met with the Obama administration 19 times and at least once with Obama himself for 4 hours to discuss the "details" of Obamacare. And Obama, when questioned about Gruber's statements, referred to him as "some staffer" that he really wasn't aware of. lol
 
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Again, progressivism is no different today than it was a hundred years ago. One of the most famous progressives was George Bernard Shaw. Here's what he had to say about the worth of the individual.


Atty, I'm sure you disagree with the thoughts of Shaw. But Obamacare is no different. Another architect of Obamacare is Ezekial Emanuel. Mr Emanuel advocates the "complete lives system," which is part of obamacare. You may know it better as death panels; and yes, they exist in obamacare.
 

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The Death Star, obamacare, is built but it's not fully operational. Obama has put numerous exemptions in place unconstitutionally, so he could get past the elections. Once it is turned on completely the real disaster begins. Millions have already lost their healthcare and those that have gained it in systems like Medicaid are in for a real treat. Obamacare has been a fiasco since it's inception. The real fun is just beginning. God help us all.
 
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