Snails - Response on Threads Part 8

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Although DST has its perks, the bad outweighs the good in many ways. It severely affects our circadian rhythm, is bad for farming and utilities, which affect our bills AND the economy...
I vote STANDARD time all the way. People lived with that for thousands of years and DST was only fully established between 1966-1970
Good articles Kat. :) I read a couple articles where some people want to have that extra sunlight after work and school for outdoor activities. I understand why some want DST and others want standard time.

The science of circadian rhythms is very interesting.

People are able to reset their circadian rhythms. Circadian rhythms change naturally with the cycles of light and darkness. Our circadian systems change as we age and those changes can affect our body's natural rhythm. Circadian rhythms generated by our internal biological clocks vary from individual to individual, no two are alike. They're thought to be genetically determined. There is no one circadian rhythm that fits all from infant to those of us advanced in age.

I just want the stupid clock changes to end. :greengrin:
 

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    Good articles Kat. :) I read a couple articles where some people want to have that extra sunlight after work and school for outdoor activities. I understand why some want DST and others want standard time.

    The science of circadian rhythms is very interesting.

    People are able to reset their circadian rhythms. Circadian rhythms change naturally with the cycles of light and darkness. Our circadian systems change as we age and those changes can affect our body's natural rhythm. Circadian rhythms generated by our internal biological clocks vary from individual to individual, no two are alike. They're thought to be genetically determined. There is no one circadian rhythm that fits all from infant to those of us advanced in age.

    I just want the stupid clock changes to end. :greengrin:
    I've never been able to reset my circadian rhythms, and I think that's true for a lot of people. And you even said that these changes "AFFECT" our body's natural rhythm. That's why there are so many health problems that can be, at least, partially attributed to DST. Hence, why we have SO much trouble adjusting to the changes. At any rate, DST is WORSE for more reasons than it's good. Having extra light in the evenings does not compensate for the losses farmers suffer or the exponential rise in utilities and wreaking havoc on the economy. JMHO, of course, backed by a lot of science. This is how I am since Sunday morning o_O

    Good morning, Snails...:)
     
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    I've never been able to reset my circadian rhythms, and I think that's true for a lot of people. And you even said that these changes "AFFECT" our body's natural rhythm. That's why there are so many health problems that can be, at least, partially attributed to DST. Hence, why we have SO much trouble adjusting to the changes. At any rate, DST is WORSE for more reasons than it's good. Having extra light in the evenings do not compensate for the losses farmers suffer or the exponential rise in utilities and wreaking havoc on the economy. JMHO, of course, backed by a lot of science. This is how I am since Sunday morning o_O

    Good morning, Snails...:)
    The Senate unanimously approved a bipartisan bill that would make Daylight Saving Time permanent in 2023. The decision to implement permanent DST has already been made. There won't be any vote by the people.

    And what I said was "Our circadian systems change as we age and those changes can affect our body's natural rhythm." That's not the same is "does or will affect" as in an absolute... due to the fact that all people are different.

    There is very solid Science, and facts, to backup the benefits of DST. From all I've read (a lot since March of this year) the science and the facts do not weigh heavily against DST.

    Losses farmers suffer? The argument farmers use is a weak one that stretches back to 1919 (when science was very young). One of their arguments was that "if dairy cows are used to being milked at 5:00 a.m., moving the clock back an hour in the fall actually moves their milking time back an hour, and livestock cannot understand waiting another hour to be milked." <--- That is a very weak and ignorant argument ...because... the farmers can very easily continue milking their cows on the exact same schedule year round despite any changes in time. That they failed to realize that is telling.

    Modern day farming in the USA has been a 24 hour operation for many years. The gripes farmers mention in the article you linked have more to do with their personal inabilities to "adjust" to biannual time changes. But... they do in fact adjust each and every year. Nothing scientifically demonstrates, or proves, DST affects farming.

    Health problems? I don't know of, and have never heard of, any person who has EVER experienced a NEW health problem as a direct result of DST. Perhaps, maybe, some experience problems that are directly attributable to preexisting conditions (that makes it coincidence). It would be Extremely Difficult, if not Impossible, to medically or even scientifically, prove DST was the Cause of a medical problem due to the Effect of DST.

    There are many Scientifically Proven Health Benefits with DST. Daylight saving time is Actually a Good Thing. There are many benefits that come with DST.

    Wreaking havoc on the Economy? That has never been proven factually. In fact "its impact on the economy is ultimately inconclusive, PNC economist says." ...and... "It would be hard to attribute any gains or losses economically to Daylight Saving Time because there are so many other potential variables."

    Also... Businesses have the advantage of seeing increased purchasing activity when there's an extra hour of sunlight. Keeping DST improves the Economy.

    Exponential rise in utilities? In 2008, the Department of Energy released a report stating that due to Daylight Saving Time the average American home uses about . 5 percent less energy per day. A report by the U.S. Department of Transportation found that DST reduced electricity use by 1 percent but had no impact on home heating.

    On the economy, energy, farming and public health and making DST permanent...
    Many facts can be read on Marco Rubio's senate page. Here are a few snippets...

    “Americans’ lifestyles are very different than they were when Daylight Saving Time began more than a century ago,” Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) said. “Making Daylight Saving Time permanent will end the biannual disruptions to daily life and give families more daylight hours to enjoy after work and school.”

    Making Daylight Saving permanent would give folks an hour back of sunshine during the winter months when we need it most.

    “The public safety improvements, economic benefits, and the wellbeing of the American people are all excellent and credible reasons to embrace year-long Daylight Saving Time,” Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith (R-MS) said. “I know the agricultural sector in Mississippi and across the nation desires this change."

    Senator Ed Markey (D-MA) said “Studies have found year-round Daylight Saving Time would improve public health, public safety, and mental health--"

    Potential effects of making Daylight Saving Time permanent for the nation:
    • Reduces car crashes and car accidents involving pedestrians: better aligning daylight hours to drivers’ standard work hours’ increases visibility, according to the American Journal of Public Health and the Journal of Safety Research. Also reduces the number of vehicle collisions with wildlife by 8 – 11 percent by shifting normal traffic patterns to an hour off from nocturnal wildlife’s behavior.
    • Reduces risk for cardiac issues, stroke and seasonal depression.
    • Reduces the number of robberies by 27 percent, according to a 2015 Brookings Institution because of additional daylight in the evenings.
    • Benefits the economy, according to a study by JP Morgan Chase, which found that there is a drop in economic activity of 2.2 percent – 4.9 percent when clocks move back.
    • Reduces childhood obesity and increases physical fitness, according to studies published by the International Journal Behavioral Nutrition and Physical Activity and the Journal of Physical Activity and Health, children see an increase in physical activity during DST. The Journal of Environmental Psychology found that DST increased pedestrian activity by 62% and cyclists activity by 38% because of additional daylight.
    • Benefits the agricultural economy, which is disproportionately disrupted by biannual changes in time by upsetting the synergy between farmers’ schedules and their supply chain partners.
    • Reduces energy usage, a 2008 study by the U.S. Department of Energy found that during the 4 weeks the U.S. extended daylight savings from the 2005 law, there were savings of about 0.5 percent in electricity per day. Later studies have also shown that the energy savings are minimal but a small savings does occur.

    One can very easily make the argument that had DST been the norm throughout history, and then standard time would have been introduced to Fall back (same biannual clock changes), then today the very SAME people would be complaining if the powers that be selected standard time to be permanent. Those same people would want to keep DST.

    What this comes down to are those who experience 'personal difficulties' with the biannual time changes. Animals, plant life, rocks, oceans ...the Earth... ...the Environment... do not know, nor care about human clock changes.

    As of this last Saturday... the Greater Majority were very well adjusted to DST. Peoples circadian rhythms automatically adjusted to DST. With the change to standard time people need to RESET their circadian rhythms. For some that takes X amount of time. For others it doesn't.

    For me, as someone who used to fly all over, and had to deal with different Time Zones daily... I never had any problems adjusting. My feelings have always been that intentionally changing clocks biannually was stupid. And it is. :greengrin:

    ETA: Sorry......... that got longer than I intended.
     
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