Snuss - dry pouches

[TropicalBob]

Yes, I've managed to get Montecristo. I wasn't crazy about it, but it's good. VERY expensive stuff. Romeo y Julieta Senorita would be a regular for me if not for the cost. Romeo y Juliet itself is very strong, and I prefer something a bit tamer, to tell you the truth.

 

[smokindeuce]

Thanks Bob - it's been on my 'to try' list for ages now, just haven't yet got through the last order I placed. One thing I find about the Montecristo is that I expected it almost to taste like cigars, but realised after the opening it that it's pretty fragrant stuff... nothing like the smell of cigars really!

 

[Bertrand]

Yes, I've managed to get Montecristo. I wasn't crazy about it, but it's good. VERY expensive stuff. Romeo y Julieta Senorita would be a regular for me if not for the cost. Romeo y Juliet itself is very strong, and I prefer something a bit tamer, to tell you the truth.

You gotta try a cohiba, hehehe. If you order from "some" internet sites, they cover it in "tobacco odour proof" plastic, which they heat weld together so it passes through customs. In Australia, we pay tobacco tax by the kilo for cigars, and it's insanely expensive (about AUD15-20 for a churchill). Actually, you will still think they're expensive with your 5c per cigar tax or whatever it is in miami, but for us, they're even cheaper than buying crap cigars locally.

Romeo & Juliets are fairly mild for cubans, btw. But it depends mainly on the ring size. As a rule, fat cigars (eg. robustos) are much milder than thin cigars (eg. panatella.) I would buy on ring size rather than brand if you are looking for something mild.

 

[dc2k08]

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Virginia health officials want you to be careful of camel snus apparently but do they have a conflict of interests? i dont know.

 

[Bertrand]

You gotta try a cohiba, hehehe....

Sorry... didn't notice the whole "snus" thing. I saw "Montecristo" and "Romeo & Juliet".

 

[vodkaniac]

Hi all, new to these forums, but I have been following with great interest. Working through my first order from The Northerner. General White Mini is pretty revolting. Somewhat fishy. Next was the Wise citrus&menthol. How lovely. Got it on Tropical Bob's rec, but didn't honestly think I'd go for it so much, but it's really very good.

This morning tried the Lucky Strike. Good stuff. And it's the main reason I'm posting. The can features the famous LS statement - It's Toasted. Well, wouldn't that be the opposite of what Snus is? Also, I don't think the word snus appears on the can. Just wondering. I know it's made in Sweden, but I don't trust big American Tobacco. --

 

[TropicalBob]

Glad you like the Wise Citrus/Menthol. Like you, I'm not a General fan -- in general.

Lucky Strike is almost a daily snus for me, and as I understand it, the "It's Toasted" slogan means nothing for the snus. It's just a company slogan. If it means anything, it's another "trade secret" that we commoners won't be privy to. Another good, and familiar, name is Pall Mall. But 1847 by Philip Morris is not so good.

 

[vodkaniac]

Yes, I enjoyed the Lucky Strike all day today. I could see it being a staple if I keep up this snus thing. I find that I have taken to it (snus) quite naturally. I'm currently using generic lozenges, e-cigs, and snus for nicotine delivery after being nicotine free for 18 months. While I'm glad I have not returned to cigarettes, I do wonder just what I've gotten myself into and treading these waters very carefully.

Of maybe interesting note: I've been back "using" for three weeks, and my jones is still relatively small. Today will be two (4mg.) lozenges, three (mini) snuss, and I'll probably have a couple of vaping sessions this evening. I know that if I had returned to straight cigarettes, I'd be right back at my previous pack-a-day almost immediately.

Still just trying to figure out the safest (yet still pleasurable) way to dose myself without killing myself. Stonewall and Arriva are on my to-do list. And who knows, variety might actually increase safety levels (several methods of administration instead of just one.)

 

[TropicalBob]

You have a good plan, just be careful not to give in to cravings. I still have cravings, despite everything I do. But I find I enjoy the new variety of nicotine offerings. I have read, however, that nicotine sort of reactivates the receptors your brain developed while you smoked tobacco cigs. Those are the source of cravings. So ... if you start feeding them nicotine again, they'll start demanding more and more. Do be careful since you succeeded for so long.

I'm not far behind you in time, BTW. I've been off cigs for almost 17 months.

 

[vodkaniac]

<<I've been off cigs for almost 17 months>>

Well, I know from reading your posts, you have a SERIOUS nicotine requirement, so that's quite an accomplishment. I would imagine the switch-over you've experienced is substantially more of a challenge than the return that I'm experiencing. However, you've chronicled it well. The things you write and the experiences you share have helped me. And yes, I'm reawakening some dormant hardwiring in my brain. I'm playing with fire. But man, it feels good.

 

[vodkaniac]

I posted in another thread that I’m leaning away from e-cigarettes and looking at using snus almost exclusively as my nicotine delivery device. Mostly because of the lack of long-term research on e-cigs and the plethora of same regarding snus. Plus, I just love the stuff. And I don’t currently have a smoking habit for e-cigarettes to help me break. So why relearn those behaviors? (Though I fear it might be too late. I surely do enjoy e-smoking!)

For now, a few observation and questions regarding snus and similar products. I could post these thoughts on a snus forum, but folks here at e-cigarette-forum are just more laid-back and approachable (you know exactly what I mean T-Bob.)

In my first post, I said that I loathed the General white minis. Which I really did. Despised them. But I fell prey to that phenomena so many have pointed out: When I went back to it a few days later – I found that I liked it. I’m sorry, I mean I loved it. Used it exclusively for two days. Go figure.

Got hold of some Wise Wine & Chef 6mg, but was very, very, very afraid to try it after hearing of adverse reactions here. Turns out I like it as well. In fact, I find it to be the perfect morning eye-opener. You get that ultra-quick nic hit, but not the long term (30 minutes or more) commitment of traditional snuss that causes you to delay breakfast or brushing your teeth, etc. In other words, I can add it to my morning routine without disrupting my morning routine.

Bob, you’ve said Stonewall is your eye-opener and after-meal choice. And you're also one who has said that the W&C can be overwhelming. Have you tried it upon wakening? Your nicotine load is easily thrice mine, so I wonder if the W&C is simply too much for your already saturated blood levels? (Not meant in any negative connotation, hopefully did not come across that way.)

Speaking of Stonewall, I found some of its sister product, Arriva, locally and purchased a java flavored pack (What I really wanted was Stonewall, but apparently I’ll have to order those online.) The taste was at first quite delightful, but quickly grew unpalatably sweet. So, before I make an online purchase, and assuming the flavors would be the same, is the wintergreen Stonewall less sweet? I know several dislike the natural flavor, but is it sweet too? Is it possible to describe the flavor of the natural?

Don’t think I’ll ever become a loose snus user, but I am interested in trying some regular size portions, and perhaps the moist variety as well. I’ll post back when I do.

- Grant

 

[TropicalBob]

Grant: Both times the W&C made me ill was late afternoon and in conjunction with some other nicotine intake, like smoking my pipe or heavily vaping. So it's not just the Wise (although it is somehow uniquely fast in delivering its punch). I still have two tins of it, and will start limiting myself to 10 minutes before spitting out a pouch. I'll see if that works. Each time I became ill, it was after about 30 minutes (and on a near empty stomach). I've become a fearful of it, you understand. I've not tried it first thing in the morning.

Ariva is half the strength of Stonewall, so I just don't use it. The Wintergreen is a zippy taste that I find too sweet much of the time. The Java is sweet, but I like the flavor, so no real problem. The natural is very tobacco-like. I find it kind of nasty, but you might like it if you came to like General (I like General Wintergreen now).

Part of the fun of all this is trying new things, though.

P.S. Might try 10 minutes with W&C after awakening. Thanks for the idea.

 

[vodkaniac]

<<Might try 10 minutes with W&C after awakening.>>

Yes, let us know how that works out for you. The no-taste aspect works out great as well while you're letting your coffee perk or eggs cook. Had one in for about 30 minutes (not as rushed on Sundays) this morning prior to breakfast. Over an hour later and I still have no desire for my next dose. Strong stuff indeed. So far, it's the closest match to what the first cigarette of the day used to feel like.

I think I'll try the natual Stonewall. Since I can only get it online, and in packages of five, just wanted to make an educated choice. It just looks like a fantastic product. And yes, the Arriva is far too weak to satisfy.

Gonna add some Oliver Twist to my next Snus order as well...

 

[Bertrand]

I tried stonewall a while ago. It has loads of artificial sweetener which seriously messed up my digestive system to the point of it being unusable. I intend to get some snus soon, since it doesn't have this problem (my credit card got hacked so will have to wait for it to get replaced.) Is the salt in it "Dutch salty"? Like those "Double Salt" licorices they like? Could need some getting used to.

 

[TropicalBob]

I really don't taste the salt the way some snusers complain. Please do keep in mind that of the four tastes -- sweet, sour, bitter and salty -- I love sweet and salty and hate sour and bitter. Go figure. I find some snus very tasty, some nauseating.

 

[vodkaniac]

Bertrand,

I found the Stonewall far too sweet as well (technically, what I tried was the java flavor Arriva.) I'm going to try the natural and I'll report back. Most people don't seem to like it, though.

Just try several of the snuss you've read about in this thread. I would reccomend adding the Wise Citrus&Menthol minis to your order. They are the least traditional snus I've encountered. Neither salty nor sweet, just kind of lemony (but not sour.)

I like the salty aspect of the traditional flavors. - Grant

 

[TropicalBob]

Used the Wise Wine and Chef on awakening this morning. Kept it in my mouth only about 10 minutes. No adverse effects. Seemed to work as well as a Java Stonewall. It's 6mg of nicotine; Stonewall is 4mg. But W&C was hitting in 10 minutes; Stonewall dissolves over about 45 minutes. So snus is the quickest morning hit I can get!

 

[Bertrand]

It wasn't the sweetness that got to me, it was the digestive troubles. There just aren't enough enzymes in my gut to break down the artificial sweeteners in 20 stonewalls a day (or however many you need to take - I could only get through about 5 or 6 before it became unbearable.)

 

[TropicalBob]

Twenty seems terribly excessive. A pack of 20 lasts me four or five days. These are not use-all-the-time things. They're like ... dessert. Or first thing in the morning, after every meal, while watching TV at night. But non-stop would be sickening, I agree. Snus won't have this effect on you, Bertrand.

 

[K-Sound Krew]

TB
I heard you talk about snus before but never looked it up
So I just saw it on Wiki

OK I've tried dry snuff before and I tried bandits before

So is SNUS just snuff in the same package as a bandit?

And aparently you don't have to spit