So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[Virk]

Virk,

I am wondering now about something - if a 'WTA' at 0.2 mg / ml can have noticeable effect, suggesting that solvent extraction of some of these non-nicotine alkaloids is FAR more efficient than their release in a burning cigarette, why is snus not too powerful when just popped in the mouth? Could you be mistaking great taste for alkaloid effect? Or is there another explanation: Perhaps absorbtion by lung is much more effective for these alkaloids ?

Interesting question here and I have no idea. Using a snus as intended does not have this affect on me (at least not that nearly as extreme). But the nicotine that makes its way to the stomach irritates me (burps). I don't use them normally. Oh that's also why I save the ones I extracted, they are now weak enough to not bother me at all hehe.

But I can assure you the great taste is not having a placebo affect that would literally numb my head and totally relax my shoulders, I mean, it was amazing. And no, I do not vape it at that strength, I personally don't care for the feeling. I want to feel nothing, imo nothing is good and is my goal. Diluting at 8 to 1 is almost to that point but not quite.

Also note, I can vape 36mg no problem. Have tried 54 straight just to see, felt it a little. But then again, when I did use the patch I still chain smoked without affects, maybe I have a tolerance, well I should after 30 years lol. Now that just makes this all that more interesting, a couple drops of this diluted WTA affects me big time, it's not the nic.

Yeah this is crazy stuff.

Question....
Could it be because I've not had any MAIOs in almost 4 months and then all of a sudden I just blasted my system for the first time in ages? That might make sense. I've not used any snus or tobacco in almost 4 months, my resistance / tolerance is gone....this makes sense yes?

 

[kinabaloo]

Could it be because I've not had any MAIOs in almost 4 months and then all of a sudden I just blasted my system for the first time in ages? That might make sense. I've not used any snus or tobacco in almost 4 months, my resistance / tolerance is gone....this makes sense yes?

Aha ! Yes that could be part of it. The tolerance wouldn't be gone, but lowered. Would explain why so very weak can have an effect. And yet, it is still effective after 2 weeks.

Still seems a major difference between vaping a snus and just holding it the mouth. Will have to see what others' experiences will be ...

 

[kinabaloo]

Have been looking into solubilities of beta carbolines as an example alkaloid; not sure what salts would be exactly but did find that there can be big differences in water solubility and interestingly, some don't disolve in basic (alkaline) water - as in the mouth. This could be an explanatory factor.

Or, the relevant alkaloids are not absorbed much in the mouth and neither in the stomach, maybe 'destroyed' in the stomach.

 

[Virk]

heh, stick a snus in your mouth, take a mouthful of distilled water and see what happens lol not it.

 

[kinabaloo]

heh, stick a snus in your mouth, take a mouthful of distilled water and see what happens lol not it.

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss that possibility. But yes, a bit unlikely as the mouth is normally only slightly alkaline.

There are I think 3 possibilities:

• It is the difference in solvent
• Or difference in absorbtion site : mouth vs lung
• Or some magic performed by the heating of the atomiser - such as, thermal decomposition of the active alkaloid(s) salts to freebase form

 

[BCB]

Virk: As I understand it you made your juice with Marlboro snus of which one portion is 4mg nicotine, right? That would be comparable to the Swedish snus mini's I currently use, so I have the needed ingredients I think. You just soaked the snus in distilled water, then squeezed the juice out of them. How did you squeeze it? With your fingers? Also, you said "Ok, 9 SNUS extracted (twice)". Did you re-soak the snus in the juice you'd just squeezed out or did you soak the once-used snus in fresh water, then squeeze it out a second time? I'm just trying to get a picture of what you did because it sounds like something even I could do! Thank you for doing the experiments and giving such detailed reports! Very nice!

 

[kinabaloo]

Virk: As I understand it you made your juice with Marlboro snus of which one portion is 4mg nicotine, right? That would be comparable to the Swedish snus mini's I currently use, so I have the needed ingredients I think. You just soaked the snus in distilled water, then squeezed the juice out of them. How did you squeeze it? With your fingers? Also, you said "Ok, 9 SNUS extracted (twice)". Did you re-soak the snus in the juice you'd just squeezed out or did you soak the once-used snus in fresh water, then squeeze it out a second time? I'm just trying to get a picture of what you did because it sounds like something even I could do! Thank you for doing the experiments and giving such detailed reports! Very nice!

Second time was in fresh water. Otherwise why a second time ?

Just doing one soak would give better results. A good squeeze out after too. Filter with non-absorbant gold or bylon mesh to avoid loss.

 

[Virk]

Virk: As I understand it you made your juice with Marlboro snus of which one portion is 4mg nicotine, right? That would be comparable to the Swedish snus mini's I currently use, so I have the needed ingredients I think. You just soaked the snus in distilled water, then squeezed the juice out of them. How did you squeeze it? With your fingers? Also, you said "Ok, 9 SNUS extracted (twice)". Did you re-soak the snus in the juice you'd just squeezed out or did you soak the once-used snus in fresh water, then squeeze it out a second time? I'm just trying to get a picture of what you did because it sounds like something even I could do! Thank you for doing the experiments and giving such detailed reports! Very nice!

BCB
I did the first soak in the least amount of distilled water as would fully cover the 3 snus in a shot glass, worked out to about 3.5ml but could be less if you work at it, or you could add another snus or two, this was my first attempt so I wasn't concerned with efficiency.
I then transferred the snus after an hour or two to another shot glass (NO Squeezing here please lol) and repeated the procedure in fresh distilled water again. I did the 2nd time because I figured there was still enough left to make it worth while. The distilled water leeches these things pretty fast, you can see it happen, if in a hurry I bet it only needs to soak a half hour but I imagine the longer the stronger.

Then I transferred the snus to a new ziploc baggie and the fun begins...start squeezing (yes with your hands, they are in the bag, no mess) them while the liquid flows to a corner, then pour that liquid into the shot glass. Or, you could do this the smarter way and drop each snus into a large syringe and just squeeze 'em to death and shooting the liquid into the shot glass. I do it both ways.

Now filter it, you have to force it through a filter or it will just sit there.
Next dilute it and add vg/pg so it can be vaped.

Get all the liquid into one glass, or bottle now, measure it, then add at least 4x that amount in VG or PG or however you want the mix to be, this is pretty thin so I used VG to thicken it up. This gave me my first batch of very strong WTA, this was too strong for me to vape straight. I then figure out what strength I need from there.

This strength works for me if I'm adding a few drops to a cart, adding to my regular juice. If I want to just use this juice as a daily vape and nothing else then I'd dilute it again 4x whatever you had, or go 1x at a time until you get to the desired strength.

But at the first batch, I was completely taken by surprise, had no idea it was gonna floor me the way it did. I'm making another batch now heh.

Hope that helps, this stuff is the ticket!

Doing this once is prolly the most concentrated / efficient way. And filtering is the tough part, I could not get the liquid to go thru the gold filter and didn't have a nylon filter so I just used a plain ole paper coffee filter, and yeah there's liquid loss there but hey, this stuff is cheap and goes a long way. I need to find me a new filter haha.

ok last edit, should be done now lmao

 

[kinabaloo]

BCB
I did the first soak in the least amount of distilled water as would fully cover the 3 snus in a shot glass, worked out to about 3.5ml but could be less if you work at it, or you could add another snus or two, this was my first attempt so I wasn't concerned with efficiency.
I then transferred the snus after an hour or two to another shot glass (NO Squeezing here please lol) and repeated the procedure in fresh distilled water again. I did the 2nd time because I figured there was still enough left to make it worth while. The distilled water leeches these things pretty fast, you can see it happen, if in a hurry I bet it only needs to soak a half hour but I imagine the longer the stronger.

Then I transferred the snus to a new ziploc baggie and the fun begins...start squeezing (yes with your hands, they are in the bag, no mess) them while the liquid flows to a corner, then pour that liquid into the shot glass. Or, you could do this the smarter way and drop each snus into a large syringe and just squeeze 'em to death and shooting the liquid into the shot glass. I do it both ways.

Now filter it, you have to force it through a filter or it will just sit there.
Next dilute it and add vg/pg so it can be vaped.

Get all the liquid into one glass, or bottle now, measure it, then add at least 4x that amount in VG or PG or however you want the mix to be. This gave me my first batch of very strong WTA, this was too strong for me to vape straight. I then figure out what strength I need from there.

This strength works for me if I'm adding a few drops to a cart, adding to my regular juice. If I want to just use this juice as a daily vape and nothing else then I'd dilute it again 4x whatever you had, or go 1x at a time until you get to the desired strength.

But at the first batch, I was completely taken by surprise, had no idea it was gonna floor me the way it did. I'm making another batch now heh.

Hope that helps, this stuff is the ticket!

Doing this once is prolly the most concentrated / efficient way. And filtering is the tough part, I could not get the liquid to go thru the gold filter and didn't have a nylon filter so I just used a plain ole paper coffee filter, and yeah there's liquid loss there but hey, this stuff is cheap and goes a long way. I need to find me a new filter haha.

Give wine / beer finings a try (don't know if you saw that)

 

[Virk]

Yes I did see but don't have. I think I know what you're talking about though. I've already learned that I need to re-read your last post every time for edits
You know, this is exciting stuff in a really strange sort of way haha.

 

[kinabaloo]

Yes I did see but don't have. I think I know what you're talking about though. I've already learned that I need to re-read your last post every time for edits
You know, this is exciting stuff in a really strange sort of way haha.

Just discovered that snus is banned in the EU !

 

[Virk]

No doubt we're next, stocking up tomorrow. I knew Swedish SNUS were banned over there but regular as well? Now that's rough, I feel for ya. Actually, I think I have heard of people ordering from out of country and receiving them, they just can't be sold there, I'm prolly wrong but ya never know.

Received a glass bottle shipment today for freezing my nic and liquids. Should be able to just freeze these extra tins of snus as well.
Just for my experimenting purposes I picked up 5 tins and 3 packs of those Rivas for less than $25, I figure thats already a couple year supply at this rate lol. I only used half a tin so far lol, well 9 out of 15 or 16.

edit: the rules are getting more and more rediculous everywhere....more govt, yeah that's what we need...like a hole in the head. And I've heard the same about rain water, growing food, etc, the day that happens is the day another revolution begins.

 

[kinabaloo]

Should be able to just freeze these extra tins of snus as well.
Just for my experimenting purposes I picked up 5 tins and 3 packs of those Rivas for less than $25, I figure thats already a couple year supply at this rate lol. I only used half a tin so far lol, well 9 out of 15 or 16.

Ok, don't rub it in !

I heard soon will be illegal to grow your own veg or collect rainwater - in the US first this time.

Same dark forces who want to put fluoride - the docile drug (not to mention brittle bones, cancer promoter, ...) - in the water supply.

They'd have you believe it's the simply cheapest option for disposing of this hazardous waste.

 

[tescela]

My 3 experiments with WTA below.

First, I've been reading these threads for a few months now and have been very interested in WTA. I was going to take up DVAP on the Swedish SNUS offer but I could not find any. Was going to do the whole WTA extraction from tobacco but decided a shortcut with SNUS would be so much simpler, so my experimenting began, a week ago. But before I forget, thank you so much to everyone for all the invaluable information in these posts, I'm adding my own experiences here so maybe it will be helpful.

Some background info to set this up:
~Ex-chain smoker 3 packs/day/30 years, Kools or Marlboro Menthol.
~Currently a chain vaper at 18-24mg, about 5ml/day, can vape up to 36mg not a big difference to me.
~Quit smoking 2 weeks after I started vaping. Almost 4 months now.
~Just before I quit, and for the last year, cigarettes did not satisfy me, I needed more and more.
~When I switched I decided I was fed up and would fight through the withdrawals, it was not pleasant for about 2 weeks but it worked.
~I am not a scientist or chemist but I am a guinea pig for my experiment, YOU are not my experiment, do this at your own risk!

Experiment #1 Marlboro Mint SNUS: Goal is to end up with a satisfying vapeable liquid that Nicotine only juice lacks.
First I tested soaking and extracting at room temp in VG/PG/alcohol/distilled water. Distilled water is my winner.
3 small containers of 3 SNUS each in 3.5ml of distilled water for about 2 hours. Just enough to submerge them completely.
Extract and repeat, squeeze out all the liquid on the 2nd soak and collect in a bottle. Toss the depleted SNUS into a Ziploc bag for use later, they still have a little life left in them

Filtering begins but this is not as easy as I thought it would be. Used a plastic strainer for the first pass, then a gold coffee filter but no dice. Coffee paper filter / gravity fed, nope. Finally a turkey baster forcing the liquid through the coffee filters a few times and the juice is now clean but very dark. Ok, 9 SNUS extracted (twice) = 20ml of clean filtered juice, I'm assuming this is now WTA in a base of distilled water at about 1mg nic, no idea on the other ingredients but I figure you guys know the answer to this. Assumption is the SNUS started at 4mg (36mg) and I end up with just over half extracted (20mg) in about 20ml, lets call it 1mg/ml. Very weak nic right? Or did I already make a math error?

And yes I actually tried to vape this lol, more like steam that made me dizzy and popped an atty. I figure you can only have max about 20% distilled water in the liquid so I add VG to bring the juice to almost 80% vg and almost 20% distilled water.. So 4 drops VG to 1 drop WTA which is distilled water. Anyone know the NIC content at this point? Negligable right?

Now I have what appears to be normal looking juice, still surprisingly dark, consistency is more like my 70pg/30vg juice, smells great so I drip 5 drops and vape away. Tastes great, not much throat hit but feels full. Not dead yet, no forehead hit like was mentioned earlier but wait for it... about 8 puffs and my hair starts tingling, a few more puffs to finish those 5 drops off and whoa, head / scalp feels numb, I kid you not, and a wave of total relaxation like hopping into a hot tub hits me like a truck. I stopped vaping and sat there for about 5 minutes. Earlier I mentioned I'm a chain vaper so 5 minutes is a long time for me. Effects starting to wear off, I grab my normal (nic only) vape and puff away and BAM! it hits again. I think this is the MAOI connection to Nicotine here. This lasted for a good 45 minutes and I did not like it but continued to vape (nic only) to see how long it would last. Ok, this is either really bad for me or it's just way too strong.

Next up, more dilution, 4 to 1 again, now the side affects only hit if I keep vaping this diluted WTA straight. At this point I don't think nicotine can even be measured which brings up the question, I thought my body needed nic?
Conclusion: with enough dilution, a daily vape can be made OR just add 2 drops of the first dilution per cart a couple times a day. This seems to satisfy my cravings and guess what, no more chain vaping. I literally am forgetting to vape now, within reasonable limits, i.e. 15 minutes for me is HUGE! This is definitely doing something for those cravings but is this liquid I've made harmful to me? More so than the regular nic only juices? This is one of my questions for you guys. Also, if the nic level really is this low and you need nic, just add it but apparently I don't need the nic or my math is very wrong.

My observations so far:
~Tastes great and more filling. I'd have to say it fills the void that nic only juice can’t.
~It is potent but extremely smooth juice with no TH which also leads me to believe the nic concentration is very low.
~Nic can be added to increase the TH, I haven’t done this since I usually just add a couple drops to my existing (nic) juice now and life is good.
~I vape a lot less.
~No more side affects after diluting but I'm still satisfied.
~Very very relaxing / calming, I may have figured out a perfect night time vape, more on that later.
~Remember the old "regularity" of bowel movements? They're Baaack!!!
~I'm not nearly as dehydrated because I'm not vaping as much?
~I don't think I'd use this as a daily vape, it's not necessary. Maybe just in the morning and again later on in the day if a craving hits would be enough. Still experimenting but I'm sure I can come up with the perfect dilution / concentration for the perfect daily vape. I love this stuff.
~This can be made inexpensively and relatively quickly, yeah it takes longer than regular DIY and longer than buying a bottle of premade, but honestly, the taste blows away any other juice I've tried so far and the satisfaction alone is perfect. I figure one tin will make 160ml of the strong WTA which can then be diluted again to make a daily vape. I'll be stocking up on SNUS.

Experiment #2 Ariva lozenge: like a Stonewall
Again distilled water dissolves these but they later separate into different layers of 'stuff' which is all just too full of particulates to bother filtering into a vape. Actually the top layer is ok but I have no idea what ingredients are in which layer so I just remixed it all back up with some vodka, pour into a dropper bottle and use like a breath dropper for that little craving I guess. Add a little vodka for giggles. Tasty stuff, Yum!

Experiment #3 Passionflower extract:
This stuff just tastes nasty and let me tell you it's hard to cover it up. So, I diluted 1 drop to 5 drops regular nic juice, and kind of got a similar but milder affect from my WTA, but I did notice within about 15 minutes I was ready to go to bed about an hour earlier than usual. I think I found a night time vape right here, if you can cover up the taste or happen to actually like it? I read there is a MAOI in Passionflower so figured I’d try it. I think it works but can’t stand the taste, I’ll experiment more with it later. It did make me sleepy. I can probably make this work with menthol but other than just before bed why bother now that I have my SNUS WTA. I'll save it for the rare nights that I just can't fall asleep.

Ok, sorry this was a book and if you're all still here, I have some questions:
~Are there any concerns with what I listed above pertaining to health, in comparison to regular e-juice?
~How much nic is in the base liquid, or how much is extracted per SNUS? I'm guessing about 2mg. I think I read that there is 4mg nic per snus?
~How much of the other ingredients and what are they, is it a concern?
~This little experiment has led me to believe that it's NOT the Nicotine that we crave at all; do you think I'm right?
~Do you think this is something more people would benefit from and actually want?

I realize that this is “uncharted” territory and nothing is completely “safe” in this area, I just want to know if there’s anything here that’s blatantly worse than our regular nic only e-juice. I seriously doubt there could be anything worse here than smoking was.

So what do you think? Do you think this could be a good alternative for those who still have that craving for something missing? Perhaps this addresses the issue of the missing MAOI’s that we all used to get and are likely addicted to. I sure ‘feel’ like it does.

Assuming this is not an insanely stupid thing I’ve done, I can’t figure out why this has not already become the most popular liquid on the market. Possibly due to the labor / time involved and maybe all the questions I asked. I already have enough concentrate to make about 200mL of this juice and will be making more after I read your comments about this. I’ll need to order some more empty bottles lol.

Thanks for reading and for leaving input, suggestions, advice and hopefully answers.

Virk

I’ll leave you all with a thought that someone here before me posted (I don’t remember who) and sums up my feelings about how this works for me, paraphrased...

It’s one thing to quit smoking but another thing entirely to Forget to smoke!

Love to see this experimentation and detailed reporting!

Question....
Could it be because I've not had any MAIOs in almost 4 months and then all of a sudden I just blasted my system for the first time in ages? That might make sense. I've not used any snus or tobacco in almost 4 months, my resistance / tolerance is gone....this makes sense yes?

Aha ! Yes that could be part of it. The tolerance wouldn't be gone, but lowered. Would explain why so very weak can have an effect. And yet, it is still effective after 2 weeks.

Still seems a major difference between vaping a snus and just holding it the mouth. Will have to see what others' experiences will be ...

Assuming others will step up and experiment, too.

Just discovered that snus is banned in the EU !

kinabaloo: please say you are joking that you just discovered this.

 

[kinabaloo]

kinabaloo: please say you are joking that you just discovered this.

Really didn't know. For many years now apparently. Crazy.

I hadn't looked into it before because the normal mode of use doesn't appeal. But wanted to experiment.

Let's see what others report; then I will look into the legality of overseas purchase.

 

[parkchanwoo]

My 3 experiments with WTA below.


.. about 8 puffs and my hair starts tingling, a few more puffs to finish those 5 drops off and whoa, head / scalp feels numb, I kid you not, and a wave of total relaxation like hopping into a hot tub hits me like a truck. I stopped vaping and sat there for about 5 minutes. Earlier I mentioned I'm a chain vaper so 5 minutes is a long time for me. Effects starting to wear off, I grab my normal (nic only) vape and puff away and BAM! it hits again. I think this is the MAOI connection to Nicotine here. This lasted for a good 45 minutes and I did not like it but continued to vape (nic only) to see how long it would last. Ok, this is either really bad for me or it's just way too strong.


This stuff just tastes nasty and let me tell you it's hard to cover it up. So, I diluted 1 drop to 5 drops regular nic juice, and kind of got a similar but milder affect from my WTA, but I did notice within about 15 minutes I was ready to go to bed about an hour earlier than usual. I think I found a night time vape right here, if you can cover up the taste or happen to actually like it? I read there is a MAOI in Passionflower so figured I’d try it. I think it works but can’t stand the taste, I’ll experiment more with it later. It did make me sleepy. I can probably make this work with menthol but other than just before bed why bother now that I have my SNUS WTA. I'll save it for the rare nights that I just can't fall asleep.



It’s one thing to quit smoking but another thing entirely to Forget to smoke!

Research suggests that, when smokers wish to achieve a stimulating effect, they take short quick puffs, which produce a low level of blood nicotine.[39] This stimulates nerve transmission. When they wish to relax, they take deep puffs, which produce a high level of blood nicotine, which depresses the passage of nerve impulses, producing a mild sedative effect. At low doses, nicotine potently enhances the actions of norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain, causing a drug effect typical of those of psychostimulants. At higher doses, nicotine enhances the effect of serotonin and opiate activity, producing a calming, pain-killing effect. Nicotine is unique in comparison to most drugs, as its profile changes from stimulant to sedative/pain killer in increasing dosages and use.

Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties.[40] However, only after coadministration with an MAOI, such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to amphetamine.[41]

Nicotine gum, usually in 2-mg or 4-mg doses, and nicotine patches are available, as well as smokeless tobacco, and electronic cigarettes, which do not have all the other ingredients in tobacco.[42]

 

[kinabaloo]

Research suggests that, when smokers wish to achieve a stimulating effect, they take short quick puffs, which produce a low level of blood nicotine.[39] This stimulates nerve transmission. When they wish to relax, they take deep puffs, which produce a high level of blood nicotine, which depresses the passage of nerve impulses, producing a mild sedative effect. At low doses, nicotine potently enhances the actions of norepinephrine and dopamine in the brain, causing a drug effect typical of those of psychostimulants. At higher doses, nicotine enhances the effect of serotonin and opiate activity, producing a calming, pain-killing effect. Nicotine is unique in comparison to most drugs, as its profile changes from stimulant to sedative/pain killer in increasing dosages and use.

Technically, nicotine is not significantly addictive, as nicotine administered alone does not produce significant reinforcing properties.[40] However, only after coadministration with an MAOI, such as those found in tobacco, nicotine produces significant behavioral sensitization, a measure of addiction potential. This is similar in effect to amphetamine.[41]

Nicotine gum, usually in 2-mg or 4-mg doses, and nicotine patches are available, as well as smokeless tobacco, and electronic cigarettes, which do not have all the other ingredients in tobacco.[42]

I suspect they are interchanging (mixing up) nicotine and smoke here in the first paragraph.

Really not sure this is true for nicotine alone, I think it keeps on stimulating until one reaches nausea and poisoning effects. People hard vape nicotine-only liquid not because it actually creates calm (because it does not), but because they are searching for the calm that smoking gave.

I think the MAOIs boost nic.s stimulation but in higher doses the MAOIs effects become opium-like. A chance it might be the combination of MAOIs and nicotine (dopamine mediated/related), or something else (another alkaloid) in smoke that does this. I don't think it is the nicotine itself; if anything it would appear to be the MAOIs (cf the same MAOIs in PassionFlower and Syrian Rue, for example).

That's my current view.

In other words, although dopamine is often called the 'feel good' transmitter, it is not the key to the reward system wrt addiction. That would involve the opiate receptors and perhaps endorphins - not well versed on this, but it seems clear enough that something that simply raises dopamine (e.g. nicotine) is not in itself (if that;s the only major effect) able to create - or satiate - the reward/addiction aspect.

 

[slopes]

Anyone? I've been getting materials together today to try the WTA process. But it seems impossible to get distilled water in the UK (without ordering it on the net, or making your own from steam). I've got some 'Purified' water from the chemist - he didn't know if this meant it had been distilled, deionized or otherwise produced - and it says nothing on the bottle except a reference to its conductivity. Can this be used? Or is there an alternative to distilled water? I plan to use the boiling method so i guess something like vodka would be out of the question?

Thanks for any feedback.

 

[kinabaloo]

Anyone? I've been getting materials together today to try the WTA process. But it seems impossible to get distilled water in the UK (without ordering it on the net, or making your own from steam). I've got some 'Purified' water from the chemist - he didn't know if this meant it had been distilled, deionized or otherwise produced - and it says nothing on the bottle except a reference to its conductivity. Can this be used? Or is there an alternative to distilled water? I plan to use the boiling method so i guess something like vodka would be out of the question?

Thanks for any feedback.

B&Q has it. Deionised is nearly as good as distilled (nothing dissolved in it, just pure water). Conductivity should be close to zero.

What do you mean by 'boilng method' ? To produce some distilled water ?

 

[slopes]

B&Q has it. Deionised is same as distilled - nothing dissolved in it, just pure water. Conductivity should be zero.

What do you mean by 'boilng method' ?

tceight's method (of 08-24-2010 05:19 AM):

"step1.
- boil a few (50) ml of distilled water, and dissolve the baking soda into it until no more will dissolve. This is your alkaline solution to free the salts in the tobacco and is about pH 11"

and then...
"step3.
heat 20 ml of mineral oil to about 212F and add the tobacco powder to it. Let this sit and steep for about 30 min to an hour"

EDIT: The Purified water says "(Conductivity under 30 µs) Non Sterile".