Yeah, I'd imagine the VG wasn't very cooperative, awfully thick stuff. PG is much thinner and would probably work best, but then, a 25% PGA mix might be just as good 
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Yeah, I'd imagine the VG wasn't very cooperative, awfully thick stuff. PG is much thinner and would probably work best, but then, a 25% PGA mix might be just as good
Uncooperative is an understatement. I guess I could state that using gravity the coffee filter would have taken forever if at all.
Very true on VG. I like it, but it's really thick, and tobacco does not like to absorb it. I'm working on another experiment involving soaking a piece of little cigar. It took overnight the last time for the piece to absorb the VG. Gonna be same now. It's been soaking 8 hours and still hasn't absorbed it all.
With e-liquid, it absorbs in less than 15 minutes.
TV: I'm going to make some hard candy in the next day or so, using a standard recipe but substituting strong coffee for water, and thickening it with powdery nasal snuff and instant coffee granules. I'm looking for a dissolvable. Nic and caffeine at the same time.
One recipe says I can pour the hot liquid candy into a thin strip, like a string, and then cut it with scissors into small pieces. Viva homemade Stonewall.
With e-liquid, it absorbs in less than 15 minutes.
TV: I'm going to make some hard candy in the next day or so, using a standard recipe but substituting strong coffee for water, and thickening it with powdery nasal snuff and instant coffee granules. I'm looking for a dissolvable. Nic and caffeine at the same time.
One recipe says I can pour the hot liquid candy into a thin strip, like a string, and then cut it with scissors into small pieces. Viva homemade Stonewall.
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, I love it....Once a pioneer always a pioneer. "Tropical Bob's Candy From Paradise", the Coffotine Candy Bite. Let me know when I can open a franchise in Indiana. I've got a preliminary result for WTA recovery using the procedure I'm working on. I had a chance to do a little work and figuring after the boy went to sleep, and I'm pretty pleased with the results.
Using 10 grams of NAS Organic tobacco and a 2X extraction (150 mL, 40 mL), it looks like my alkaloid yield is 170 mg (or a very respectable 85%). This is sufficient to make 5.7 mL of 30 mg/mL WTA, 8.5 mL of 20 mg/mL WTA, 11.3 mL of 15 mg/mL WTA, or 17 mL of 10 mg/mL WTA.
One might wonder why I don't work at a larger scale since this isn't a very large amount. My answer to this is simply that with scale comes bulkiness/clumsiness to the procedure. All of the issues I have to wrestle with to be able to document a fairly foolproof procedure would multiply with scale. In short, I'm working plenty hard enough just to do a 10 gram write-up.
Using 10 grams of NAS Organic tobacco and a 2X extraction (150 mL, 40 mL), it looks like my alkaloid yield is 170 mg (or a very respectable 85%). This is sufficient to make 5.7 mL of 30 mg/mL WTA, 8.5 mL of 20 mg/mL WTA, 11.3 mL of 15 mg/mL WTA, or 17 mL of 10 mg/mL WTA.
One might wonder why I don't work at a larger scale since this isn't a very large amount. My answer to this is simply that with scale comes bulkiness/clumsiness to the procedure. All of the issues I have to wrestle with to be able to document a fairly foolproof procedure would multiply with scale. In short, I'm working plenty hard enough just to do a 10 gram write-up.
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Startin' to sound awfully promising there, DVap. As far as the amount goes, hard telling what some will try, but it seems the 10 gram amount would be user friendly. Larger amounts = more mess + more loss if all doesn't go well. When I rolled my own I could only do 1 pack at a time. Glad you got the grandson worn out, but don't stay up too late or he'll have you worn out tomorrow
.Startin' to sound awfully promising there, DVap. As far as the amount goes, hard telling what some will try, but it seems the 10 gram amount would be user friendly. Larger amounts = more mess + more loss if all doesn't go well. When I rolled my own I could only do 1 pack at a time. Glad you got the grandson worn out, but don't stay up too late or he'll have you worn out tomorrow
The boy is busy figuring out the concept that new wife for me equals a new equal-rank boss for him. He said, "where's it say that?", I told him to read the marriage certificate. He scans it for a minute, and look up with a frown, and spouts, "Airtight! All the way down to the fine print! You .......s!"
Not a normal 7 yr old, this one.
The boy is busy figuring out the concept that new wife for me equals a new equal-rank boss for him. He said, "where's it say that?", I told him to read the marriage certificate. He scans it for a minute, and look up with a frown, and spouts, "Airtight! All the way down to the fine print! You .......s!"
Not a normal 7 yr old, this one.
Got a little Grandpa in him. I, also, had to get that straight with my kids. 1 daughter from my 1st wife, 2 boys from my 2nd and I had custody when I married my current wife. And they did have their battles. We had 4 together but there has never been a dividing line. So far my oldest daughter and son have daughters of their own and use my wife's name for a middle name while having no mention of their real mothers.
Quite a kid, DVap.
a2d: When I soak snus in e-liquid and then vaporize it, I can only assume I'm getting at least as much nicotine in the vapor as I would get using a cart of the same strength. That makes good sense. But I've added nicotine in the snus, plus the WTA from the snus. This makes it a superior experience for me.
In the beginning, it was flavor I was after. Nothing tasted like tobacco. It's all cotton candy and fruit juice to me. I got the flavor I wanted from snus -- and the cigar pieces soaked in VG.
From now on, however, I will NOT use VG to soak snus. Too slow. Unknown nicotine in the vapor. I'll use e-liquid of known nicotine strength -- until I can no longer obtain it.
a2d: When I soak snus in e-liquid and then vaporize it, I can only assume I'm getting at least as much nicotine in the vapor as I would get using a cart of the same strength. That makes good sense. But I've added nicotine in the snus, plus the WTA from the snus. This makes it a superior experience for me.
In the beginning, it was flavor I was after. Nothing tasted like tobacco. It's all cotton candy and fruit juice to me. I got the flavor I wanted from snus -- and the cigar pieces soaked in VG.
From now on, however, I will NOT use VG to soak snus. Too slow. Unknown nicotine in the vapor. I'll use e-liquid of known nicotine strength -- until I can no longer obtain it.
If memory serves me correctly, and I'm sure DVap will correct me if I'm wrong, the most nic from a soak is abt 3mg/ml you can hope for max.
ie......the reason we dont try to get the nic from soaking tobacco.
I believe it was in his original thread the number was posted, but to many 1000's of posts to search.
WTA by extraction and concentration is a different bird altogether.
Still, better to be safe than sorry!
I am going to be gone for a few days leaving tonight or tomorrow , depending on the weather. Will check in when I can!
ie......the reason we dont try to get the nic from soaking tobacco.
I believe it was in his original thread the number was posted, but to many 1000's of posts to search.
WTA by extraction and concentration is a different bird altogether.
Still, better to be safe than sorry!
I am going to be gone for a few days leaving tonight or tomorrow , depending on the weather. Will check in when I can!
Thanks for the info TB, that answers my question to the letter.
DVap, I wish you well on your new adventure. You are in uncharted territory for me.
Makes since to me Vaporer. The nic is not what I'm after, like you stated. I'm after the missing link and taste.
Merry Christmas to you and yours, travel safely.
Be careful, V . Roads are at their treacherous best about now. And be sure to take an extra can of Thunder incase you have to melt some ice .
. Roads are at their treacherous best about now. And be sure to take an extra can of Thunder incase you have to melt some ice .
Be careful, V
What a great idea TV!
I've got some General Sterk I was not really keen on using but now I know what to do with it.
Emergency ice traction material
Spread it over the sidewalk, OTD. It may also help keep the weeds down next sumer .
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BTW, Vaporer, I sure wasn't referring to a plain soak. Those failed me time after time. I was referring to soaking a snus portion in e-liquid of known nicotine strength. And I'm not into creating new liquid to drip. I don't do that. And it makes a mess. I use the soaked snus in the cart in place of polyfil.
I understand that TB. a2d question seemed to go that way and if you used 24mg eliquid, the worst case would be 27mg/ml. So even though you see those big mg numbers on a analog, of abt 10mg, according to DVaps previous calculation there's no need to worry abt the added nic from the tobacco used from a snus soak. Thats all.
When I did try to get a Virginia flavor from Top RYO that was very old from a Quik Stop we have local, I did notice what you did abt the vapor lingering longer. I thought the wife might come home and accuse me of smoking, but she never mentioned it. It carried alot farther and stayed longer than normal eliquid. There was enough flavor that I thought she might have smelled it. Not a good full Virginia, more like a hint.
Looks like we are leaving 1st thing in the morning.
So in case I dont get the chance later in the week.....
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL !
When I did try to get a Virginia flavor from Top RYO that was very old from a Quik Stop we have local, I did notice what you did abt the vapor lingering longer. I thought the wife might come home and accuse me of smoking, but she never mentioned it. It carried alot farther and stayed longer than normal eliquid. There was enough flavor that I thought she might have smelled it. Not a good full Virginia, more like a hint.
Looks like we are leaving 1st thing in the morning.
So in case I dont get the chance later in the week.....
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL !
TV, I'm loaded for the trip. 2 mods (901 & 510, 1 extra atty ea.) 7 batteries, charger, 60ml liquid, Stonewall Java and my snus assortment. I should be good for a few days. lol
Thunder should consider a white portion, unless I've missed it. I'm still at a loss as to why it doesnt take my head off @17mg. Since I can get by ok on 12 mg liquid and normally vape 18-24mg nic. I dont get the hiccups either and Stonewall, even broken in 1/2 can put me in them in 3 min @ 2.25mg(1/2).
One thing for sure is if I dont look over and see my PV, I'll forget abt it for a long time.
Thunder should consider a white portion, unless I've missed it. I'm still at a loss as to why it doesnt take my head off @17mg. Since I can get by ok on 12 mg liquid and normally vape 18-24mg nic. I dont get the hiccups either and Stonewall, even broken in 1/2 can put me in them in 3 min @ 2.25mg(1/2).
One thing for sure is if I dont look over and see my PV, I'll forget abt it for a long time.
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