So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Those Thunder Mini's are supposed to be 8mg portions, good trick for a mini. The burning is probably the salt and true to what others told me, you won't notice that in due course.

From what I've read as well as personally tried, General is a good across the board representation of "traditional" Swedish snus flavor.

As for something stronger, well, get the attention of isande or Stubby or bardic druid, to name just a few, and they'll probably be able to suggest some others to try out based on what you've already tried.

I took note of bardic druids modus operandi (why won't the boss let me download spell check?) and see the wisdom. The Thunder Frosted Portions are 16 mg, if the subtle flavor of a mini is subtle in a portion...might be the ticket. The General Onyx is 11 mg, but says "robust flavor", no indication on what the flavor is. And "robust" makes me cring if it has a powerful odor, need to stay under the radar at work.

 

[Vaporer]

OTD, yea, mine N & J is the black.

TV, after a couple of days the burning isnt there. I felt the menthol died off too. Still like it though. Glad to see it working to cut you back too. Not as great as WTA, but darn better than nothing for the craving and having both hands and you head free for a while. Huh?

DVap, you basically disected my bedtime story test. Dilution, nothing enough to tell a effect from but a little flavor. Matrix - hey, it's all I've seen and had safe to work with and it didnt. Time, yea, thats a gunk generator. Seems the darker the worse it is.
Polar, ok I take offense at this one. My shrink said I was bipolar. You say I'm using 4 polar materials that makes me quad polar, dual bipolar or skitz bipolar. 8-o I must say though that the WTA was better MAOI's than he gave me. ROFLMAO

 

[olderthandirt]

OTD, yea, mine N & J is the black.

...Polar, ok I take offense at this one. My shrink said I was bipolar. You say I'm using 4 polar materials that makes me quad polar, dual bipolar or skitz bipolar. 8-o I must say though that the WTA was better MAOI's than he gave me. ROFLMAO

Ol' doc OTD sez take a N&J Black, place it firmly twixt the upper gum and cheek. Now one hoot off'n yer favrite PV, one pinch o' Rooster and all will be right in your quad polar world

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Rooster? You got Rooster?? My Brutal Scotch seems awfully tame these days and only used it twice yesterday and once so far today....I hear the Rooster is pretty kick-.....

 

[olderthandirt]

Rooster? You got Rooster?? My Brutal Scotch seems awfully tame these days and only used it twice yesterday and once so far today....I hear the Rooster is pretty kick-.....

No, actually mis-spoke. No Rooster, does sound like scary stuff, but I do have Garrett sweet, that'll work.

Has it already been pondered, doing a soak with snuff? The American is snuffs are cheap enough. Already ground REALLY fine.

Hmmmm

Testing history

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

No, actually mis-spoke. No Rooster, does sound like scary stuff, but I do have Garrett sweet, that'll work.

Has it already been pondered, doing a soak with snuff? The American is snuffs are cheap enough. Already ground REALLY fine.

Hmmmm

Testing history

Yesterday, while scoping out that snuff forum you refered me to, I came across several references to that effect, but no insight on how they're doing it. Talk about mud mouth... Trying to find my way around over there, it's different. I do a lot of clicking and somehow end up where I started .

 

[olderthandirt]

Yesterday, while scoping out that snuff forum you refered me to, I came across several references to that effect, but no insight on how they're doing it. Talk about mud mouth... Trying to find my way around over there, it's different. I do a lot of clicking and somehow end up where I started .

Different forum software for sure, very plain and simple. Not nearly as robust as what's being used here.

Hey I sent you a whisper over there, their version of a PM. D'ja see it?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Different forum software for sure, very plain and simple. Not nearly as robust as what's being used here.

Hey I sent you a whisper over there, their version of a PM. D'ja see it?

Ok, let me see if I can figure it out .

 

[olderthandirt]

Probably won't TV, they seem to be having server issues today as well.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

No dice . Had just entered the address and had to attend an alarm, came back 2 hours later and the browser was still looking at me with the progress (I'll use that term loosely) bar about half way. Reentered several more times and the same. Don't know if it's this network blocking me (no banners) or their site's down......stupid computer stuff. I even copied/pasted, did a search and tried going from the search site....who knows, maybe tomorrow. Maybe I'm not really on the internet....maybe I'm not really here....maybe I'm not who I think I am.....maybe I'm......Captain America and you guys are the Freedom Fighters......where's my PV?

 

[Vaporer]

Hittin the N & J Black. Not bad at all. I'd put it in the keeper pile. Portions are a little firm to start. Good tobacco flavor, not over wealming.

Ok....if we are gonna try to extract snus at least we have some criteria.
1. High in nic material as possible
2. Non polar solvent that can be reduced or removed somehow.
3. Short soak time if possible unless the solvent doesnt grab the gunk.

My original test used Top RYO , very cheap tobacco , flavored cigars, very cheap ones and captain black pipe tobacco. The pipe was my best hope.

So..from what I found out we might get a useable flavor from snus, a bit higher nic than RYO, but still low and WTA in "I have no idea what quantity".

The reduction or removal of the solvent seems to be the biggest hang up IMHO.
Its gonna have to be able to be concentrated somehow. As I said earlier, I was amazed at how much it took to soak it and have any free liquid left.

Alot may depend on what you want from it. Flavor, nic , WTA, all?
If you have high nic stocked up you may just want the WTA or the WTA and flavor.

Never thought abt trying snuff. Its loaded with nic and does relieve cravings though.

I'd have to guess this is where DVap got stuck. What will get it out thats easily removed or reduceable for a rerun. It either has to come out or be vapeable.
After typing that last part.......it kinda looks like a "duh" statement.
If I remember right he was going for WTA. He was converting it out seperating it and converting it back. What he was using was the bad part as it all had to be gotten back out. It may not be something that the average person can obtain easily either.

Feel free to add, take away or beat me up now.

 

[olderthandirt]

Starts to be a vicious circle.

A soak that is simple, safe, gets the WTA and...

has reasonably safe estimation of the nicotine content.

All the other safety considerations allowed for and resolved the resultant nic level would be an issue.

A method, a process, that someone such as myself could follow that would not leave a risk of too high a nic content would be sweet!

And if your liking that N&J Black you might want to put Probe Whiskey on your shopping list. Only 9mg/portions but it's like savoring a shot of bourbon!

TV, it's not you, the snuff forum is down

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

As well as I can understand things, that's where DVap hit a wall. Originally, I thought maybe he was trying too hard to get WTA from common sources and the end product didn't meet his expectations which, to his credit, are higher than mine. I feel the realization of what he was up against came to me when I read your summary of your own explorations. It was an eye opener that seemed to cover all the known DIY tactics, then some....quite the die-hard, aren't you . It's possible a safe home WTA extraction won't exist, on the other hand, maybe all we need to do is pour ketchup over it and stick it in an apple press. What is perplexing is that we know snus works used as intended, how? Should I spit on a portion and vape it for WTA? Well, that's a gross thought . I had brought up earlier the possiblity of enzymes, a stab in the dark at the most, but what if? Earlier today I got out some of the books I used for research and, though I originally was researching protein eating enzymes, I feel sure I came across info on enzymes in or created by saliva. Prominantly is for the conversion of carbohydrates, as exo said, but I can't get out of my head that I had read about others being involved for the pre-digestion process. Anyway, I only looked briefly due to lack of time, but I'll keep digging. Not sure the books I have are the ones I think I seen it in, but if it's a possiblity, there are many sources of enzymes available in powder and liquid form. Even then, what we're looking for may not be available or usable in a way that we would need....still kickin' the stones over, too....

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

TV, it's not you, the snuff forum is down

Kinda nice not feeling I screwed up .

 

[olderthandirt]

I understand ketchup...

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I understand ketchup...

Coulda said prunes

 

[olderthandirt]

Coulda said prunes

Ooh ooh! whats that? lookout below me

 

[olderthandirt]

Wow

I'm starting to look like the emoticons



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Striking, idnit?

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

..Ho, now that made me slip a disc....

 

[olderthandirt]

welcome