So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine
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DVap, I have toyed with the idea of doing a video on the "use everything" method of staying off cigarettes, explaining that a quitting cigarette smoker doesn't have to decide on one NRT product of method to quit.
That would allow me to explain, in real lay terms, snus, dissolvables, e-cigs, and nasal snuff. They all have varying nicotine strengths, so a person can "step down" with any or all of them. I'll tell you that your WTA liquid, especially the 48mg, allowed me to really cut back on my snus use. Snus is the whole package; but so is WTA.
Good idea on the future video. I'll plan it.
Highping: You're welcome here. This is about the only thread on this forum that I now contribute to, since the others are populated by the ignorant who simply want to rant. There are good folks here, helping each other and employing the best of "group think."
That would allow me to explain, in real lay terms, snus, dissolvables, e-cigs, and nasal snuff. They all have varying nicotine strengths, so a person can "step down" with any or all of them. I'll tell you that your WTA liquid, especially the 48mg, allowed me to really cut back on my snus use. Snus is the whole package; but so is WTA.
Good idea on the future video. I'll plan it.
Highping: You're welcome here. This is about the only thread on this forum that I now contribute to, since the others are populated by the ignorant who simply want to rant. There are good folks here, helping each other and employing the best of "group think."
I just got home and did some catch up reading on the tests you've all been doing. Nice work and reporting. Keep at it. I have a snus batch thats been soaking for weeks in 24mg nic liquid. Dark , but after a pass through a coffee filter looks actually pretty in the light. I don't care for the darkess, but I have 3 units with fairly well used attys that will be sacrificed for the cause. Actually its 2 diff batches made from Discreet Full Flavor.
highping, nice of you to stop by with all the answers and a stirring stick. Much appreciated with your resume of the thread subject and facts. You authored the book " How to Make Friends and Influence People" didnt you?
highping, nice of you to stop by with all the answers and a stirring stick. Much appreciated with your resume of the thread subject and facts. You authored the book " How to Make Friends and Influence People" didnt you?
Vaporer, your info is along the lines of one of my questions. What is the link between the length of the soak and the harvest of WTA's? I thought DVap stated that the soak time was inversly porportional. Was I wrong?
Thanks Vaporer
Already said I was sorry
I just jump out there and speak my mind sometimes, and I really did try not to come off as abrasive (not very good at that). It may be because I've become used to dealing with all those ...how did TB put it...ignorants out there in the rest of the forum.
Thank you for the welcome TB and I will try to just sit back and listen unless I have something insightful to add. (and maybe the occasional lame joke that no one will get)
Edit: and vaporer a stirring stick can be a good thing sometimes, keeps things moving and can double as a beatin' stick when they're not movin' your way
Already said I was sorryI just jump out there and speak my mind sometimes, and I really did try not to come off as abrasive (not very good at that). It may be because I've become used to dealing with all those ...how did TB put it...ignorants out there in the rest of the forum.
Thank you for the welcome TB and I will try to just sit back and listen unless I have something insightful to add. (and maybe the occasional lame joke that no one will get)
Edit: and vaporer a stirring stick can be a good thing sometimes, keeps things moving and can double as a beatin' stick when they're not movin' your way
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It is reasonable to assume that harvest of WTA's and harvest of tobacco gunk are both proportional to soak time. In other words, if you want more WTA's, you're going to have to accept more tobacco gunk.
If I seemed to indicate otherwise at any time, that was not my intention.
My first tests a2d were 15, 1hr an 24hrs. Not great but neither was my base materials.
I wasnt overly impressed with the PG/VG/vodka soak (no nic). This was all way prior to WTA. It was kept and I watched it darken. It wasnt taking up much space....lol....so I kept it around. One has 5 Discreet in 10ml.
Seemed now worth a try after filtering to see if any WTA effect was present. I vapled abt a ml earlier this evening before leaving for my sons game where I couldnt go anywhere to vape for 3-4 hrs. I used 1 portion of snus during that time and really didnt have the cravings at all.
If that continues to be the pattern I may try soaking till a certain color is achieved. Se if I can get what I can and cutting off the gunk stuff as much as possible.
Its an odd approach I know, but something to try.
It would be nice if the effect stays with a lighter color as this will indicate less atty damage.
I have a ltr of high nic flavorless from myfreedomsmokes so its not like I'll run out soon.
Thunder Frosted seems to quell that itch more than any of the others for me.
It's also the highest in nic levels so the alkaloid content may be with it too, not just boosted. I'm presently out of frosted with some on the way. I figure I can experiment with the others and if something appears to be working, it should be better with the frosted.
I'll post the results as I do the testing as usual.
I wasnt overly impressed with the PG/VG/vodka soak (no nic). This was all way prior to WTA. It was kept and I watched it darken. It wasnt taking up much space....lol....so I kept it around. One has 5 Discreet in 10ml.
Seemed now worth a try after filtering to see if any WTA effect was present. I vapled abt a ml earlier this evening before leaving for my sons game where I couldnt go anywhere to vape for 3-4 hrs. I used 1 portion of snus during that time and really didnt have the cravings at all.
If that continues to be the pattern I may try soaking till a certain color is achieved. Se if I can get what I can and cutting off the gunk stuff as much as possible.
Its an odd approach I know, but something to try.
It would be nice if the effect stays with a lighter color as this will indicate less atty damage.
I have a ltr of high nic flavorless from myfreedomsmokes so its not like I'll run out soon.
Thunder Frosted seems to quell that itch more than any of the others for me.
It's also the highest in nic levels so the alkaloid content may be with it too, not just boosted. I'm presently out of frosted with some on the way. I figure I can experiment with the others and if something appears to be working, it should be better with the frosted.
I'll post the results as I do the testing as usual.
highping, I was backreading and thnking long abt replying to your post at all and didnt see your later posts.
I'm happy to welcome you to the thread. Diversity is a good thing. Thats why we have professionals in here and average people too. Everyone is accepted at the same level of consideration of input they have and questions thay have treated with the same regard.
I'm happy to welcome you to the thread. Diversity is a good thing. Thats why we have professionals in here and average people too. Everyone is accepted at the same level of consideration of input they have and questions thay have treated with the same regard.
OK coming into the light from the lurkers corner. LOL
If I take my snus (4g) and soak it in my 24mg nic liquid, say overnight, then stuff it in a 801 cartridge, I should get a good "nuttin missin" vape? I think I am a bit sensitive to nicotine, but need more alkaloids. Do you think this vape would be higher in nic than the original 24? If so, I could cut it with some PG or VG. I like 12 to 16 nic. Also, could the snus be used more than once or should I use a fresh one for each soak and vape till it is dry and start over?
Thanks in advance. I know you probably answered this question, but I am confused!
If I take my snus (4g) and soak it in my 24mg nic liquid, say overnight, then stuff it in a 801 cartridge, I should get a good "nuttin missin" vape? I think I am a bit sensitive to nicotine, but need more alkaloids. Do you think this vape would be higher in nic than the original 24? If so, I could cut it with some PG or VG. I like 12 to 16 nic. Also, could the snus be used more than once or should I use a fresh one for each soak and vape till it is dry and start over?
Thanks in advance. I know you probably answered this question, but I am confused!
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***pokes head back in tentatively and peeks around****
Um can someone tell me where to order some snus so I can get started experimenting with this new concept?
***scurries back to corner***
Um can someone tell me where to order some snus so I can get started experimenting with this new concept?
***scurries back to corner***
Thanks Frankie...what's the opposite of TMI??
I guess I could just google it.
Edit: whoa speaking of TMI...ok someone want to recommend a brand/flavor that good to start with?
I guess I could just google it.
Edit: whoa speaking of TMI...ok someone want to recommend a brand/flavor that good to start with?
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TB knows about Snus. I got that site from him and I remember he knows of several others. He can also advise which ones are good and he advises that Swedish snus is preferable. You can get snus at a convenience store, but others say it is not as good as the Swedish snus. That about wraps up all I know about it....sorry!
Thanks Frankie (for real this time ). I've never been a 'best brand' kinda guy (smoked basics for years) so If i just wanted to pick up some Camel stuff at the store that might work to get started?
I've got a liter of 60mg and enough VG and PG to drown a horse so I don't mind wasting a little for the sake of learning.
). I've never been a 'best brand' kinda guy (smoked basics for years) so If i just wanted to pick up some Camel stuff at the store that might work to get started?I've got a liter of 60mg and enough VG and PG to drown a horse so I don't mind wasting a little for the sake of learning.
I must have read it wrong DVBap. Thanks for setting me straight. My recent absence was because I decided I need to read your bloggs. It should reduce the number of redundant questions.
Tobacco gunk sparks another question. Is this gunk something that can be filtered out mechanically or will there be some potenetialy good chemicals filtered out? or does gunk not refer to something that is a physical.
Thanks, Vaporer, good info look forward to results.
It probably would. It is my understanding that the Swedish snus is cleaner and not as likely to gunk up the atty. Also, I think it has less chemicals that are bad for you. I know it was discussed on this forum, but, whewwwww don't remember where! I just took TB's word for it as he is always helpful and as far as I can tell....right!
Ok one more brain strain. I have mentioned that I have a bad response to high nic levels. What I have noticed recently is that even though I use latex gloves while mixing my potions. I don't wear gloves when topping off or general cart maintenance. I think I am getting more skin contact than I had thought. MY unscientific theory is that even though I am working with 24mg liquid while handling the carts I am getting too much absorbed through my fingers. Maybe even more than I receive through vaping? Since the skin absorbsion is probably the whole 24mg/ml which is a lot more than I get by vaping 24mg?
Possibly I could tollerate more nic in my juice if I kept my skin contact to near zero? Is it possible that the skin cantact is hitting my blood stream and my bodies reaction to this intrusion is more significant than through vapor contact through my mouth and airways?
I know more questions, sorry.
Possibly I could tollerate more nic in my juice if I kept my skin contact to near zero? Is it possible that the skin cantact is hitting my blood stream and my bodies reaction to this intrusion is more significant than through vapor contact through my mouth and airways?
I know more questions, sorry.
wow.. trying to remember the questions.
nicotine sensitivity in a snus soak w/24 mg nic liquid:
If you supplement snus with 24 mg e-liquid, the nicotine level might go up some, but not greatly. If sensitivity is a problem, and you think you're getting satisfaction from a snus soak but a little too much nicotine, then drop the nic liquid down 25% or so to 18 mg and use that for the soak.
And another:
Filtering can help with dark particulate, and I really don't think it will remove the good stuff.
nicotine sensitivity in a snus soak w/24 mg nic liquid:
If you supplement snus with 24 mg e-liquid, the nicotine level might go up some, but not greatly. If sensitivity is a problem, and you think you're getting satisfaction from a snus soak but a little too much nicotine, then drop the nic liquid down 25% or so to 18 mg and use that for the soak.
And another:
Filtering can help with dark particulate, and I really don't think it will remove the good stuff.
a2d: I sure am not an expert, but I THINK there was some discussion earlier that the absorption through the skin wasn't as bad as originally thought because the PG and/or VG kept us from absorbing it as much as if it were just pure nic.
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