So - are we getting it or are we not - nicotine

[tims]

I have not got a head buzz from ejuice, but it does get the nic into your system faster then normal smokes, it makes you think clearer not get a buzz.

Try rubbing some on your arm, and see for your self you will think clearer, when you inhale leave it hang at the back of your mouth. Much like smoking a cigar get more of the nic into your system, smoking it like a normal cig doesn't get as much into your system.

So the claims we are being tricked are not true, also keep in mind that what kind of flavors are used, can easy mess up how much nic you get into your system and how fast/slow. Everyone needs to get it to work for them, by trying different things till they feel it's working for them.

Keep in mind also that ecigs are not the same as normal cigs, and people should not think they are a replacement for them, as they are another option to get nic into your system. Or a good way to help you stop smoking normal smokes, the main thing people miss from normal smoking, is the carbon monoxide that ecigs don't have.

But it's also why ecigs are better for you, but nic is not good for people as well, and well there is no telling what some flavors can do to people. You inhale things that no one ever inhaled before, some are most likely harmless, but a few may well be harmful when inhaled, so everyone needs to be careful, and if you get a reaction smoking using the flavor.

 

[olderthandirt]

Howdy Mister
I was in Nanaimo a couple of times as a teen. I was in a drum and bugle corp, we participated in the parades on, the Queens birthday? Hazy memories, I think that was the event.
Struck me as a fun town at the time. 16 year old hippy kid and I was served at every bar in town I walked into! There for a couple of days each trip and stayed with host families. One memory is that all the local kids I met while there were all huge chain smokers. I smoked at the time and was floored at the number of packs they all went through in a day.

Along with what Vaporer spelled out regarding the Absolute, t'baccy garbage, I recall reading an informational piece on a perfumers website on the processes used to make the tobacco absolute. DVap may not blink an eye at what was involved but it struck me as pretty scary. I'd been looking at Nucks recipes for a good tobacco flavored liquid and after reading that article I decided I wasn't going to bother with it.

 

[nicholas]

hi to Vaporer and all--thanks for your help--i'm trying to process all the info!!!! Vaporer--i'll save the used green smokes cartridges and let you know when i have a few and i'll send them on--
thanks for heads up about ebay and trying to sell e cigarette batteries and charger--any suggestions on how to hook up with a buyer??
happy new year to all

 

[TropicalBob]

This was two years ago, but the composition of e-liquid is what got me started on wondering about adding tobacco absolute. These are the top ingredients as listed by E-Cig for their e-liquid as of January 2008.


THE COMPOSITION OF THE E-CIG SMOKING LIQUID

1 TOBACCO ESSENCIAL OIL，VIRGINIA NATURAL FROM TOBACCO
2 TOBACCO ABSOLUTE，VIRGINIA NATURAL FROM TOBACCO
3 TOBACCO ABSOLUTE，BURLEY NATURAL FROM TOBACCO
4 ORIENT TOBACCO ABSOLUTE，TURKY NATURAL FROM TOBACCO
5 NICOTINE （FROM TOBACCO LEAF） NATURAL FROM TOBACCO

I do not know if any oil or absolute is used in today's e-liquid. I do know none taste like tobacco and none are as good as the original flue-cured from E-Cig.

Long ago, I went searching for tobacco absolute and found, as DVap said, that it is used in fragrance creations (to add a "tobacco note" to a manly fragrance). Here's one site to order from:

Tobacco Absolute

 

[a2dcovert]

...what kinda sissy name is that?

Maybe you'e too young to remember Piquine. When I was young it was the strongest that I was aware of.

 

[a2dcovert]

OK, I'm not so good at spelling. It's Picayune.

 

[Vaporer]

nicholas, thanks. I'm in no hurry at all and will glady cover the shipping and whatever for your trouble. I've read that green cigs are above the rest as cartomizers go so my natural curiosity says I have to disect a few to see how they work and then see if they can be recoiled.

TBob, the one site I did find that listed Essential Oil of Virgina was BioTech (I think) in China. They manufacturer eliquid and sell it to individuals in bulk, but any inquiries abt essential oils seems to go to file 13. I could never get a reply. Its listed on thier site, but no price is given. Seems they make it with thier critical CO2 extraction process, but are not interested in selling it. Many suppliers I've spoken to have said they have also tried to purchase "tobacco flavoring" seperate with no success at all.

Nucks DIY recipie that OTD refers to does work. The actual flavor you get from absolutes is hard to describe. It is more like a real cig in a way thats tough to describe. My problem being a menthol lover, is when menthol is added to it the menthol seems to mask the absolute so it becomes a critical balancing game.

 

[Madame Psychosis]

Welcome to all those joining this thread or stopping by!...if you've read the whole thing I salute you.
(I've been in and out of the land of the living...some kind of acute thyroid dysfunction is going on (hence the endocrinologist) with me, I feel about twice my age, and I'm searching the lit trying to figure out how this could link to stopping tobacco/starting vaping/nicotine/depression. So far it's a conflicting bunch of rodent studies. But that would belong in another thread...)

Or a good way to help you stop smoking normal smokes, the main thing people miss from normal smoking, is the carbon monoxide that ecigs don't have.

I spoke to yet another doctor casually asking about the influence of carbon monoxide on the "rush" from regular cigs we get. He was quite certain it couldn't be the cause of the lightheadedness because it takes a longer time for the CO to get into your blood and it wouldn't feel sudden. The CO itself is neither habit forming nor, it seems, responsible for the bulk of the sensations we get from burned tobacco...

What we've found here is that the non-nicotine alkaloids/MAOIs are what people seem to be missing in large part (though it may well not be the whole story). It would explain in part the calming effect of cigarettes while nicotine alone seems more agitating/anxiogenic. The CO is simply a combustion byproduct... or so I would guess from what I know.

I used to get a pack of Gauloises every week or so in my early twenties for when I wanted to knock my own socks off and for when I wanted to freak out someone who was bumming cigs too often.

In Russia you can buy the legacy Soviet brands and the local makes for $0.30-0.50 a pack. (American brands are more like a dollar a pack.) I swear they made them out of tobacco sweepings, newspaper, and petroleum byproducts. One puff would make my organs writhe trying to escape the onslaught. But that should be reserved for when you want to punch someone without getting an assault charge.

(TV: I have some ideas of how you could justify the purchase, but it depends on whether the approach needs to be rational or emotional...)

 

[a2dcovert]

I spoke to yet another doctor casually asking about the influence of carbon monoxide on the "rush" from regular cigs we get. He was quite certain it couldn't be the cause of the lightheadedness because it takes a longer time for the CO to get into your blood and it wouldn't feel sudden. The CO itself is neither habit forming nor, it seems, responsible for the bulk of the sensations we get from burned tobacco...

What we've found here is that the non-nicotine alkaloids/MAOIs are what people seem to be missing in large part (though it may well not be the whole story). It would explain in part the calming effect of cigarettes while nicotine alone seems more agitating/anxiogenic. The CO is simply a combustion byproduct... or so I would guess from what I know.

I'm certainly glad we don't have to find a way to incorporate CO into our mix. We have tobacco in abundance, we just need a way to get what we need out of it without having to burn it.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I was in Nanaimo a couple of times as a teen. I was in a drum and bugle corp,

Don't you mean "fife" and drum corp.? History's a little shaky, but I don't seem to recall marching on Canada.....did we win?..........

Maybe you'e too young to remember Piquine. When I was young it was the strongest that I was aware of.

OK, I'm not so good at spelling. It's Picayune.

Oh silly me, I thought you said "pick mine".

(TV: I have some ideas of how you could justify the purchase, but it depends on whether the approach needs to be rational or emotional...)

Rational may not work....female ya know. Emotional might be ok, do I have to cry or wet my pants or anything?

 

[a2dcovert]

Oh silly me, I thought you said "pick mine".

Yep, that was one of the few cigarettes not from the North East, actually made in New Orleans. Hasn't been made in about 25 years. It would kick like a mule. It would eat "Drum" for breakfast.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Yep, that was one of the few cigarettes not from the North East, actually made in New Orleans. Hasn't been made in about 25 years. It would kick like a mule. It would eat "Drum" for breakfast.

Sounds a lot like my first wife. She moved to CA about 20 years ago, but could have slipped down south for a while.

 

[tims]

>>> What we've found here is that the non-nicotine alkaloids/MAOIs are what people seem to be missing in large part (though it may well not be the whole story). It would explain in part the calming effect of cigarettes while nicotine alone seems more agitating/anxiogenic. The CO is simply a combustion byproduct... or so I would guess from what I know. <<<

Good info for sure, but I meant the flavor of CO is what most people want. You can take nic in many forms, and it still not the same because of no CO flavor.

And I agree about the rush I have not seen the rush with ecigs though, but the rush could be also poisoning, much like we get drunk for the same reason poisoning our body's. Only it's small doses and leaves our body's fairly fast, same with other drugs we get off on.

 

[Mister]

Howdy Mister
I was in Nanaimo a couple of times as a teen. I was in a drum and bugle corp, we participated in the parades on, the Queens birthday? Hazy memories, I think that was the event.
Struck me as a fun town at the time. 16 year old hippy kid and I was served at every bar in town I walked into!

It still is a great town. It was probably a lot smaller then (I don't know, am a relatively recent resident of less than two decades on this island) but is still fairly small. Small enough that I don't get any local work. I'm in Toronto now on my first snus equipped trip. They sure make a five hour flight pleasant! I previously carried nicorettes on flights but they only made a small dent in the discomfort. Snus made this trip pleasant, wow!

 

[Mister]

Don't you mean "fife" and drum corp.? History's a little shaky, but I don't seem to recall marching on Canada.....did we win?

Canadians still like to think that we won the war of 1812

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Canadians still like to think that we won the war of 1812

No, I was thinking earlier......He's older than dirt, ya know.... Glad to see the trip went well with the snus. Airports and flying have been a consideration for me since, occasionally, I fly south or west for training. A real nightmare for smokers.

 

[exogenesis]

If man were meant to fly, God would've given him snus... oh wait

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

If man were meant to fly, God would've given him snus... oh wait

No....that's good, I like that . Maybe that could be my new signature.

 

[Caesarea]

If man were meant to fly, God would've given him snus... oh wait

Nice one Exo!

 

[dataguru]

I was high as a kite off of this 24mg juice initially and I'm used to going thru like 30 full flavored analogs a day. I also perceive more energy. I think because I'm not in withdrawal so much during the day. I'm still smoking a few analogs here and there.

From what physiology I know, CO binds up some of the hemoglobin temporarily so O2 can't attach.

The comments from people I'm around have been interesting when i describe how these things work. The smokers all seem excited about the concept.

Must go order stuff.