So here's the problem with the media and America.

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Avery, you seem pretty wound up (a good thing) about this and someone willing to go out of his way to do something about this. Have you looked at the Legislation News and joined CASAA? The cause can always use more levelheaded people willing to fight and you seem to fit the bill. Please, check it out and see what you think but I'm feeling I won't have to twist your arm. :) If you haven't signed up for CASAA, try this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...support-casaa-get-freebie-limited-supply.html
 

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Avery, you seem pretty wound up (a good thing) about this and someone willing to go out of his way to do something about this. Have you looked at the Legislation News and joined CASAA? The cause can always use more levelheaded people willing to fight and you seem to fit the bill. Please, check it out and see what you think but I'm feeling I won't have to twist your arm. :) If you haven't signed up for CASAA, try this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...support-casaa-get-freebie-limited-supply.html

The only time I ever checked them out was back when the Kentucky call to action was happening. I'll have to check this thread out when I get home. I've been wanting to get more involved, just didn't really know where to start.

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If this type of biased BS reporting upsets you, the best thing ALL of us can do is JOIN & SUPPORT CASAA.

Even if that support is only a $1 a month, it will help. Follow the "calls to action" issued by CASAA. Use the real scientific studies that CASAA provides on their web site and write the editor of these media outlets or put that information on your Facebook page. If you can't provide support, at least join CASAA, as it is free to join and add the CASAA banner to your ECF posts so newer members will also consider joining.

Fortunately there are a few media outlets that have provided mostly positive commentary on vaping:

Gutfeld: Senate Democrats ignore science, block progress | Latest News Videos | Fox News

E-cigarette bans: solving a problem that doesn't exist | The Daily Caller

Now the FDA Is Trying to Kill Smokers | Fox News
 
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This is the endemic problem with the American public.

It's too much effort for 80% of the populace to read.

Just look at the news in general - it's sad all around.

When you have to listen to NPR and BBC America to get decent coverage of important topics because the major news outlets would rather cover frivolities and polarizing topics just to get enough ratings to survive....

Couldn't agree more!!!
 

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The problem is fundamental. People (for the most part) lack the capacity to engage in critical thinking, because for the most part they lack curiosity and are ambivalent enough that they just don't care about what is right or getting off their cheeto eating buttocks long enough to protect freedoms they do not understand the inherent value of.
 

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THERE IS SOMETHING IN WATER THAT MAY BE LETHAL!

(Btw; wrong forum; this should be in news and media)

THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE AIR THAT MAY PROVE LETHAL!!

PEANUTS KILL!!! I truly am confounded why government agencies are not regulating peanuts, a proven killer!! Well at least if you have a severe allergic reaction from them. Obviously the peanut farmers have enough money to pay off the press.
 

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This is the endemic problem with the American public.

It's too much effort for 80% of the populace to read.

And this fact gets me so irritated. I hate thinking about how lazy and unintelligent 90% of the population is, and how they just listen to absolutely every little thing the government tells them, without trying to get some facts on their own.
 

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In an era of mentality where instant gratification isn't quick enough, the headline is the article. Never mind what may actually be in the body of the text, because a lot of people won't spend time sifting through all those words and then actually thinking about what they have just read...they just want the TL,DR version.

Most of the media in this country knows that and counts on it.





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The very first thing I did when I started this was show it all to my kids. I then explained to them that my PV was to help me quit smoking and was not a toy. I told them they were not to touch any of my supplies and if they did they would be in trouble. Then I proceeded to put all my supplies faaaaar out of reach. Three and a half months later, they still haven't touched any of it and I havnt had a single incident yet. The media acts like that if you do anything that has nicotine, you're instantly a terrible person/parent and your rights deserve to be trampled into the mud.

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AveryW
Very wise and great parenting skills! Show them what it is, teach them not to touch and then keep it out of reach. As parents, we do everything we can to protect our children.. at least the informed and responsible parents do that.
I was looking through the 2012 Annual Report of the American Association of Poison Control Centers ’ National Poison Data System paper whose link is in this thread and found that in 2012 there were 67,891 cases of vitamin poisonings reported, of which 3,895 required treatment in a healthcare facility, (1 fatality) Page 252. Compare that to 12 cases of poisoning for e-liquid for which 5 cases required treatment in a healthcare facility (no fatalities) Page 221.
Granted this report is from 2012 and with the explosion of users in 2013 thru today, there is more opportunity for e-liquid poisoning to occur. That's why as parents we need to be ever more vigilant in protecting our children from getting their hands on our "juice". But that goes for anything in the household that can harm our kids ( and pets). But we need to accept the fact that there will be an increase in e-liquid poisonings simply due to increased purchasing.
For that reason, I insist on child resistant, (CR) caps on the bottles I purchase. But then again I have never gotten a bottle without the CR cap but I guess they may be out there. And, more important, I make sure if I am transferring e-liquid into another bottle/container, that also has a CR cap on it. I keep the bottle I am currently vaping up high on a shelf where no one can get to. And the bulk of my e-liquids I keep locked up. Easy, simple steps everyone can do. It may take a few more seconds or seem inconvenient, but so is rushing to the ER after a child has gotten their hands on something that could hurt them.
 

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I've never been one to trust anything the media says, but what I see about the ecigs makes my distrust that much worse. If they're willing to lie about something that is helping so many people, what else are they willing to lie about?

Exactly how I feel. Prior to eCigs, I thought media bias was pretty bad. After using eCigs and keeping up with politics / media about it, I think I have lost even more trust/faith in the system.

There's the malicious sort that have an angle/reason to lie, and as utterly horrible as that is, it was what I came up against often prior to eCigs. As an average citizen, you are either up to speed with that, or you aren't, and think all journalists are professionals who would never ever stretch the truth for some political / monetary gain.

Then there's the less malicious intent, but arguably far more dangerous practice of re-reporting and positioning news that is strictly sensational as you know it'll bring in readers, and boost your numbers. IMO, that's what this thread is getting across, and it is partially why I don't care to wait another 10 to 30 years for the long term science to come in and rescue vaping from the only outstanding issue we are, in reality, up against. If 10 years from now, the other side is able to manipulate the media to similar degree they are today, then it really (really really) wouldn't matter if eCigs actually cured cancer, AIDS and brought about world peace. You'd think it would. If you were in general discussion with someone, and eCigs did all these things, you'd like to believe that everyone you know would say, "well, duh, of course it is a positive thing." But all it would take is opposition resorting to typical deceptive tactics and suddenly all that is positive is thrown out because poisonings from eCigs doubled in the last week. Wouldn't matter to vast majority of average folks if that doubled number is about 100 times less than product they enjoy. All that would matter is latest headline that says, "it doubled!" Who cares if eCigs bring about world peace, cures cancer and AIDS? Have you heard they doubled in reported poison calls? Have you? That's a travesty! Ban em!!!

So, we're asked to wait another 10 to 30 years for science to come and rescue us? Science around today is clearly on side of eCigs and yet we are facing bans all over the place PRECISELY on the items that the science has already dealt with (i.e. secondhand vapor). Sorry, but I think the 10 to 30 year thing is a ruse and the kind that is not so much of the malicious intent, but the kind that does say to those of malicious intent, we just delivered you 10 years of open season for you to do your dirty work. Have at it.

Another thing, which is very likely deserving of its own thread, but as I'm not sure where to put it, I'll put it in this post, but deals with if they are lying about eCigs, then what else have they lied about? I'd say secondhand smoking. Which is the epitome of ALL eCig politics. I now have very serious doubts about most, but not all, secondhand smoke (so called) facts. And that only gets worse when I think about how much they are looking to drive home the lies about eCigs in an attempt to decimate the industry. The more they prattle on about eCig 'dangers' the less credibility there is around dangers of secondhand smoke. I'm fairly certain vast majority of vapers would disagree with my spin on this, much less all the non-vapers among us, but when you go and do some good old fashion scrutinizing of the secondhand smoke data, a lot of the same messed up research and reporting is found on that topic. People today are convinced that secondhand smoke kills, despite the idea that at one point it was literally everywhere. Either humanity received some huge and rather magnificent miracle to survive that era, or possibly, just maybe, the hype around secondhand smoke is grossly inflated.

In another thread I just visited, it is vapers who are to blame for indoor vaping bans. This coming from fellow vapers. Carrying that logic over to this tangential topic, then it will be argued that it is vapers who are to be blamed for bans on eLiquid.

Just think, the more we can put the blame on those we are outright attacking, the easier our work will be in the short and long term.

IMO, that is how our opposition rolls, and sadly the general public seems to care, not even a little bit, about such a tactic.
 
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