So here's the problem with the media and America.

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Good thread, thanks for starting this!
Even the good guys use the horrendous headlines. IE.. liberty girl's very positive video regarding safer eCigs. Knowing thy neighbor and how much they love gossip and bad news, sometimes a gossipy headline will get thy neighbor to glance through the article or video, knowing they'll be in hopes of snagging dreadful nuggets to trash others with. Nothing against thy neighbor, we're all rubber neckers at the car accident...

Then there is PR. The opponents use PR to suffocate the newsreels with their messages. They also use PR firms to post their messages into article comment sections.

Then there is the creative evidence. When no evidence exists, create it. We've heard this, we've known this, we've fought this, yet it just keeps happening.
Here is a shake down of ways and means used by the CDC & "health orgs". After doing further investigating, You'll discover WHO and Merck's involvements as well. And so on.
Read especially the part on tobacco and the part about DARE.
Tobacco Control: The Long War: When Evidence Has To Be Created.
Improving Population Health: The Uses of Systematic Reviews
Don't forget that The opponents are tossing eCigs into the tobacco category. It's the same fight.
Oh, and yes, the Iclei funds with grants according to many sources.... So there is an even deeper pile of cash being used against us, because that cash also comes from our own USA, from the taxpayers pockets.

(this can feel overwhelming, but it's not. There are many worthy warriors out there, fighting hard to win this incredible war. Listen up to the bill of rights holders, the libertarians, the freedom advocates... they've been fighting for personal liberty, against the smoking bans when we were just newbies to vaping. We had no idea of the war that really existed. Bringing all warriors together is paramount. First it was smoking bans, then 2nd amendment, 4th amendment, and so on and so on. The ANTZ want you convinced that you are alone. LOL. Trust me, we are NOT alone, we're just not yet coordinated as much as we could be. Even Penn & Teller took the smoking bans on. Most citizens fought it hard, even non smokers, until the ANTZ said "the taxes raised will go towards health care, the children, and it's only a quarter on the dollar.... We don't want to take away your rights and ban smoking, we just want to create non smoking sections.... .. ").

We are not alone in our fight for our rights.
 
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They may also realize this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/serious-reading-takes-a-hit-from-online-scanning-and-skimming-researchers-say/2014/04/06/088028d2-b5d2-11e3-b899-20667de76985_print.html

Claire Handscombe has a commitment problem online. Like a lot of Web surfers, she clicks on links posted on social networks, reads a few sentences, looks for exciting words, and then grows restless, scampering off to the next page she probably won’t commit to.

“I give it a few seconds — not even minutes — and then I’m moving again,” says Handscombe, a 35-year-old graduate student in creative writing at American University.

and are using it to their advantage.

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The only time I ever checked them out was back when the Kentucky call to action was happening. I'll have to check this thread out when I get home. I've been wanting to get more involved, just didn't really know where to start.

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Here's my 'go to' resource.

Achieving appropriate regulations for electronic cigarettes

First, it's NIH, which impresses some :) .... and while it's long, it contains all the good links on each point of the black PR that has been running in the gov't media, aka major news media. I've sent it out to many Senators and Representatives so they (or their staff) have a resource they can use in hearings, etc. Fully packed. The general tone is, if ecigs truly can reduce smoking related illnesses and deaths, do you really want to be on the wrong side of this issue??

And if that is not clear to them in reading it, I'll usually include that in the email/letter.
 

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This is the endemic problem with the American public.

It's too much effort for 80% of the populace to read.

Just look at the news in general - it's sad all around.

When you have to listen to NPR and BBC America to get decent coverage of important topics because the major news outlets would rather cover frivolities and polarizing topics just to get enough ratings to survive....

You mean... the Kardashians aren't really news??? :shock:

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We must remember that the main objective of 'journalists' is not to report the news, but to sell advertising for their paper/magazine/show/website.

I tell my husband this constantly, specifically about the weather reports... then he has the nerve to be mad when it's not just like that sexy redheaded girl said it was gonna be! theweatherchannel-dot-com is the antidote to every empty-headed weatherperson who ever got in front of a camera.

It's just as true about EVERYTHING out of the mouths of TV talking heads, and apparently the rest of the media is just as empty-headed. I honestly can't believe that anybody pays them any attention at all. Sad days for American literacy, American journalism, and the mythical "free press."

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"Progressives," including those of the ANTZ mentality, are remarkably authoritarian and intolerant of the choices others make and will stoop to any utilitarian level.

That's really untrue. There is a huge disconnect within both parties of what those in congress are doing vs what the base thinks. Every ecig story I've seen on "progressive" websites has support from the vast majority of regular people (pro-vaping). (DU and Daily KOS) and even the really stupid articles in Huffington have had 10:1 comments pro vaping vs. against.

This crappola against vaping is not a reaction from public demand; it's a top down marketing campaign with no support or awarness among most people. If the question of vaping were to come to a vote there is no way these restrictions would pass. That's why they don't put them up for a vote.

For most people, vaping laws are not a single issue voting item.
 
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That's really untrue. There is a huge disconnect within both parties of what those in congress are doing vs what the base thinks. Every ecig story I've seen on "progressive" websites has support from the vast majority of regular people (pro-vaping). (DU and Daily KOS) and even the really stupid articles in Huffington have had 10:1 comments pro vaping vs. against.

This crappola against vaping is not a reaction from public demand; it's a top down marketing campaign with no support or awarness among most people. If the question of vaping were to come to a vote there is no way these restrictions would pass. That's why they don't put them up for a vote.

For most people, vaping laws are not a single issue voting item.

Point well taken aikanae1 (man that's hard to spell) :). We can still be friends though. Right? I actually love the way vaping brings people from varying backgrounds and beliefs together especially when fighting for a cause. I actually count it as a blessing in these polarized days.

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Well, the New York Times lied about Stalin starving 9 million or so Ukrainians to death for example, and won a Pulitzer for it. I won't allow that filthy rag in my house.

That was in the 1930s, I'm pretty sure the author of that piece is dead by now. So it's probably safe to read the paper again :)
 

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That was in the 1930s, I'm pretty sure the author of that piece is dead by now. So it's probably safe to read the paper again :)

Safe, maybe; news? Definitely not. The newspaper owners' opinions, definitely. The biggest myth in American is the "free press." It is controlled by the big-money conglomerates, and reports what the big-money wants them to report, the way the big-money wants it reported.

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That was in the 1930s, I'm pretty sure the author of that piece is dead by now. So it's probably safe to read the paper again :)

Sorry, squee. My maternal grandparents escaped Ukraine in the 1930's. Nothing personal, but I will never forget. I am thankful I live in a place where one can read what they like without fear, even if they choose to read the NYT. Telling the truth about e-cigarettes isn't just a problem endemic to the media. It goes much deeper than that, and with far more horrifying consequences.
 

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Welcome to all the new visitors to the Media and General News section. This area and the Legislation News forum are very important for the future of vaping.

Stop by on a regular basis. It's really more important than the last technical development of the APV itself.

About a week after signing up this section has been the first one checked at every login.
 
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