So I went to 3 doctors...annnnnd I think vg hates me.

[AndriaD]

So let me get something straight. I have one flavour by another company that I believe is 70/30. Would that mean that was higher in VG and is likely NOT the right way I need to go? I need to go higher PG right? Its VG we react to, not PG?

Usually if it says "70/30" that's 70% Pg, 30% Vg; don't know why all these cloud chasers took it into their heads to start listing the VG first, but that's not the traditional way.

I don't have sleep apnea. But vertigo, lots; I can go up to high places just fine, doesn't bother me a bit, and even look out at the landscape, no problems -- but looking UP, I feel like I'm spinning around. And going DOWN elevators, if the elevator is fast, I have to just sit down -- needless to say, I can't handle roller coasters and those 'drop you like a rock' things at amusement parks. The positional thing, it's just every once in a great while, I feel like I'm spinning around for a few seconds, then it leaves as mysteriously as it arrived. The only thing that ever scared me about driving was that I used to have a lot of migraines, before I got sober; not much pain, but lots of can't-see-anything with the lightshow, which once began overtaking me while I was out driving with my son in the car -- I pulled straight into Wendy's and we sat there and drank Cokes till it passed -- caffeine being good medicine for migraines.

Pretty sure I don't have MS; I'm 54, and it's never even been suggested. Only MRI I've had was for my back, as it was paid for by worker's comp; too expensive for my resources, plus I discovered a raging case of claustrophobia, so unless it's "open MRI", I'll never have another!

With asthma and IBS and a vast family history of diabetes, I have plenty of "health anxiety" -- no need to create more. Plus I don't have insurance, so anything health related has to be life-threatening to warrant a trip to the emergency room -- like in 2014 when the ungodly abdominal pain suggested that the ER was where I needed to be, and sure enough, my appendix had gone kerblooie. Other than that, I see my asthma doc twice a year for refills, and that's that. Or I can see him if I know I have a bacterial infection, as I did recently for a 5 wk long sinus infection -- he's an internist. That set me back $365, so obviously I don't want to see him anymore often that I absolutely have to.

Andria

 

[Gazoo2You]

I wasn't suggesting you had MS. lol Just find it interesting that it takes an MRI from vertigo to often diagnose it....Ok thanks, I will double check with the vape brand and just make sure they didn't put it 70 VG first. Surprised u were able to pull your car over. Sitting at my desk looking straight ahead I suddenly felt as if i was falling over. I wasn't and it passed but I broke a nail digging it into my desk i was so desperately trying to hold on. No way I could have not crashed but it affects us all differently.

Yes, fortunately my health care does not cost me a cent and I am more grateful now for that and feel empathy for those not as lucky. i hate to imagine how much appendicitis would cost.
Anyhow will check out that juice brand closer and if its 70% PG as u say it should be, I will try that only. Thanks.

 

[AndriaD]

Also -- not sure why you think you need to give up vaping? Sounds like you just need to use more PG and less VG -- I use 85% Pg, so I can breathe.

Andria

 

[Gazoo2You]

If that's what you're after, I wouldn't waste your breath.

I apparently have the same issues and doctors have ruled out vaping so far, so, I have found her posts to be very informative and now give me an extra idea to check, aside from GERD. If you don't like what she has to say, move on by.

 

[AndriaD]

I wasn't suggesting you had MS. lol Just find it interesting that it takes an MRI from vertigo to often diagnose it....Ok thanks, I will double check with the vape brand and just make sure they didn't put it 70 VG first. Surprised u were able to pull your car over. Sitting at my desk looking straight ahead I suddenly felt as if i was falling over. I wasn't and it passed but I broke a nail digging it into my desk i was so desperately trying to hold on. No way I could have not crashed but it affects us all differently.

Yes, fortunately my health care does not cost me a cent and I am more grateful now for that and feel empathy for those not as lucky. i hate to imagine how much appendicitis would cost.
Anyhow will check out that juice brand closer and if its 70% PG as u say it should be, I will try that only. Thanks.

Heh.. appendicitis... the hospital bill *alone* (not counting the ER, the ER doc, the lab work, the radiologist, or the surgeon) would have been $25,000. They gave me charity status as I do not work, I have no insurance, and my husband doesn't make a great deal of money, which brought it to just under $900, which I'm still paying at $25/mo. All the others did too, the only one still clinging to a more-than-$2k bill being the surgeon -- of course!

You know the difference between a surgeon and god? God doesn't think he's a surgeon.

Andria

 

[Gazoo2You]

Too soon to say if I would give up vaping but certainly something I would consider and have been anyhow. If I chose to do so, I would keep equipment in a drawer lest I feel I needed it but ideally, to not vape at all for me would be the most ideal. Just not sure IF it can be accomplished easily. Would have to see. My husband has been vaping a year longer than I and he's been talking about wanting to put it down for good for no other reason than he doesnt think he needs it anymore. He's a little puffer. I however am worse than he, so time would tell. Not positive though that this is the issue and just a strong consideration that it might be.

 

[Gazoo2You]

Heh.. appendicitis... the hospital bill *alone* (not counting the ER, the ER doc, the lab work, the radiologist, or the surgeon) would have been $25,000. They gave me charity status as I do not work, I have no insurance, and my husband doesn't make a great deal of money, which brought it to just under $900, which I'm still paying at $25/mo. All the others did too, the only one still clinging to a more-than-$2k bill being the surgeon -- of course!
You know the difference between a surgeon and god? God doesn't think he's a surgeon.

Sorry to hear that. Scary. I am fortunately a citizen of a country that has free health care. You don't truly appreciate it until you need it.

 

[Gazoo2You]

Unnecessary. Be polite, please. You could ask the very same question without such...judgment. And, I'm sure you can even. It's just basic math
Two things: One, all 3 docs assured me it wasn't vaping (even though it seems to have been) and two, if my addiction was that simple I'd have quit cigs cold turkey. Most of us probably would have. But I didn't post this for your criticism of my nicotine addiction, I posted it to give insight to others possibly dealing with similar issues and also just to share my story since that's what people do here. And, the worst I'd felt through this entire experience was nothing compared to how bad I felt on cigs.

Take a look at his other posts since he joined. He believes vaping caused Fibrosis. I didn't follow the post any further. Glad you posted. I am experiencing the same at this present time. A good read for me.

 

[AndriaD]

Too soon to say if I would give up vaping but certainly something I would consider and have been anyhow. If I chose to do so, I would keep equipment in a drawer lest I feel I needed it but ideally, to not vape at all for me would be the most ideal. Just not sure IF it can be accomplished easily. Would have to see. My husband has been vaping a year longer than I and he's been talking about wanting to put it down for good for no other reason than he doesnt think he needs it anymore. He's a little puffer. I however am worse than he, so time would tell. Not positive though that this is the issue and just a strong consideration that it might be.

My ideal, since I do have asthma, is that eventually I can get to the point where I can vape casually, occasionally, because I enjoy it, rather than all the time because I have to to stay off cigarettes. I do find that I vape a good deal less than I did at first; at one point I was vaping about 6-8ml daily, and now only about 4.5ml daily, even though I've decreased both nicotine and WTA -- nicotine now at 5mg, from the earlier 10mg, and down to 1% WTA, from the 10% I started at, late summer of 2014; I don't have to go around with it in my hand all the time, it's a much calmer situation -- sometimes when I'm sitting here just reading a book, I might go a half hour or more without even thinking of it, which seems like a really positive sign to me, that I'm making excellent progress on my decades-long cigarette addiction. But given the miraculous nature of being relieved of smoking for 39 yrs and thinking I'd never be able to quit, I'm not going to rush it, just let it ease itself down -- it seems to be going really well!

Andria

 

[Gazoo2You]

I have finally read everything here. I got sidetracked reading that other thread about a pulmonary problem. A bit confusing as someone above here mentions in the end it was Acid Reflux? Not sure if that is another way of saying GERD? Gastroesophageal reflux disease. As this is something I know I have been told to look for, that comment concerned me Apparently i must do some more reading on this acid reflux in the morning.

Then I see mention of joint pain? Common? What does it have to do with Vaping?
It just seems, at this minute too much more work to figure out if I need 80/20 or a different percentage or whether it is a food flavouring. If it turns out that it's impossible to really know without trying. I spent time learning ohms, how to build how to buy, than to DIY and there comes a time where you just want to enjoy the vape..I

 

[Racehorse]

@cags
I do know some vendors thin their vg. Virgin vapor does that, for example. I was vaping their 50/50 when my shortness of breath started.

VV uses a lot of ethyl alcohol in their flavorings, because they use a lot of non-pg flavorings.

I've been vaping 80% VG for 3+ years w/no problems, but a friend sent me some ejuice in a flavor I just love.....and it has high ethyl alcohol, and I have been coughing up gunk for 2 weeks (and I'm not sick) and have that "ball of phlegm" at back of throat......

I stopped vaping for about 1-1/2 days entirely and it went away. Went back to that flavor tonight and started coughiing my brains out.

So, it's either the 1) ethyl alcohol OR the 2) flavoring that is really bad for me.

 

[blujess]

VV uses a lot of ethyl alcohol in their flavorings, because they use a lot of non-pg flavorings.

I've been vaping 80% VG for 3+ years w/no problems, but a friend sent me some ejuice in a flavor I just love.....and it has high ethyl alcohol, and I have been coughing up gunk for 2 weeks (and I'm not sick) and have that "ball of phlegm" at back of throat......

I stopped vaping for about 1-1/2 days entirely and it went away. Went back to that flavor tonight and started coughiing my brains out.

So, it's either the 1) ethyl alcohol OR the 2) flavoring that is really bad for me.

Oh I was using their absolute virgin line, so no alcohol in those flavors. So that wasn't it. Also, I get the ball of phlegm thing and some soreness with PG sometimes. But again....way cooler than not breathing, heh.
Also, this is weird cause I log in enough, never see a notification, then suddenly I have like 8 all at once...so sorry I don't always reply, then again I don't really need to, but if someone addresses me sorry I don't reply right away

 

[Gazoo2You]

Oh I was using their absolute virgin line, so no alcohol in those flavors. So that wasn't it. Also, I get the ball of phlegm thing and some soreness with PG sometimes. But again....way cooler than not breathing, heh.
Also, this is weird cause I log in enough, never see a notification, then suddenly I have like 8 all at once...so sorry I don't always reply, then again I don't really need to, but if someone addresses me sorry I don't reply right away

I have an odd question for you seeing as we seem to be having the same reactions. I have not yet run into someone that has described theirs, as well as you have. Often others just say they have more phlegm. How is your hair? Has it changed in any way that's quite noticeable? I might be reaching here and won't delve into it unless you answer that yours has and how.

 

[AndriaD]

I have an odd question for you seeing as we seem to be having the same reactions. I have not yet run into someone that has described theirs, as well as you have. Often others just say they have more phlegm. How is your hair? Has it changed in any way that's quite noticeable? I might be reaching here and won't delve into it unless you answer that yours has and how.

This makes me wonder... have y'all noticed any differences in your nails? My nails have always been hard and tough, but now they seem to grow about twice as fast as they used to! Maybe just improved blood flow to my extremities? I notice it because when they get too long, it interferes with my typing, I start hitting adjoining keys a lot more often; I just cut them last week, and they're back to bothersome already!

Andria

 

[Gazoo2You]

My best friends husband gave up smoking and started to vape two years ago. Before he did, his legs, for about 2 years were huge and swollen. If he cut himself, even slightly with a nail, water poured out and he needed special bandages to stop it from exiting, long enough to have it heal. He went to many different doctors, and had every sort of tests done for the veins and all components. No one could help. The first time his leg poured water, he went to several doctors and none could tell him how to stop it. For 3 months he had to wear piled up kleenex under his foot, in his sandals, to soak up the water that invariably poured down. Grotesque? You bet! But no doctor or specialist could help nor even suggest the special bandages and tape that finally allowed that first cut to heal. That was about 3 months in that he found the tape and the cut had never been able to heal due to the water. It was someone unrelated to the medical field who had seen it before, that told him the tape/bandages needed.

Long story short, one week after quitting smoking, the fluids dried up. 6 months later, his legs were back to normal size wise and I understand and have seen it for myself regularly as I see them both almost daily. Something in the cigarettes was causing it. Still no doctor or specialist he has gone to has been able to tell him what it was but it all went away the day he began to vape.

 

[blujess]

I have an odd question for you seeing as we seem to be having the same reactions. I have not yet run into someone that has described theirs, as well as you have. Often others just say they have more phlegm. How is your hair? Has it changed in any way that's quite noticeable? I might be reaching here and won't delve into it unless you answer that yours has and how.

My hair? Hmm....well I dye it a LOT lol so it's dryish but not any worse than before, and I have actually noticed it's LESS damaged but probably that's due to switching to a more gentle dye lately. So hard to say but no I don't think vaping is doing anything to my hair

 

[Gazoo2You]

Feel like Im playing hopscotch so for now, back to this thread. Once again appears to be what I first thought last night, intolerance to VG, not PG. Maybe.

I also have breathing problems that started while vaping. Vaping is not perfect but pay attention to your body and try to go unflavored. I can guarantee the flavoring a will be a problem before PG/VG In the grand scheme of things.

Potentially interesting angle.
Unflavoured vape juice sounds rather disgusting though

i use only one juice guy but vape only 2 similar bakery flavours, 1 vanilla/custard+ 1 cereal like. Could have diacetyl in it but i don't think so.
But maybe there is one common flavour in those 2. Both 50/50.

Now am thinking. Had one potentially slight reaction 3 weeks ago. Have one retail bottle of a 70VG/30PG . Few vape puffs daily only.
Around same time, vape times went up on that one. But just for a few days and back down again.
That might support the VG theory perhaps. But it's a clear mixed berry vape. No custards I am aware of as I think it's too clear to be, maybe.
All my other juice is medium browns with gold tints.

Have one large bottle he sent to me. Some strawberry type .
Pretty sure he mixed it incorrectly. It was 99.9% clear. Still is, 3 months later. Sent me another one a week later, darker right away and more so now with steeping.
Leads me to believe the first was almost flavour free. It was disgusting to vape lol

Who would want to vape such stuff?

Ok, I will try and take the plunge and vape that for 2 days.
I said TRY.
I think i might rather quit than resort to flavourless juice

 

[Gazoo2You]

But want to know where BlueJess stands today?
And what percentages you are using?
How do you feel?

Saw you say earlier you felt better - how now, a few days later?

 

[Gazoo2You]

Sorry, seem to be taking over this thread
But I think u r feeling a lot better now, i hope


It's curious you mention that about positional vertigo, and having to sleep on one's back; I have very erratic positional vertigo, every once in a while; when I first got sober 23 yrs ago, I had quite a few years of having to sleep on my back, or else I felt quite nauseous, even though previously I'd been completely unable to fall asleep on my back at all

AndriaD-Don't know if you were diagnosed medically or self diagnosed?
Sounds very much like bi-positional vertigo.

There's another one, name I can't think of right now but quite severe. Different causes. I dont think it goes away whereas Bi-positional vertigo can as long as you don't get into certain positions, I believe.
You can sleep on one side but the other might trigger it. I can't stay on one side. I end up on both, triggering it on my right. Sleep only on back to avoid it but because you say it was often at nighttime, I suspect there is a position triggering it.
I'm not a doctor but maybe you naturally now know which position to stay away from. I only had 2 severe episodes, 10 years ago. Your body learns very quickly what to avoid.

 

[AndriaD]

Sorry, seem to be taking over this thread
But I think u r feeling a lot better now, i hope


It's curious you mention that about positional vertigo, and having to sleep on one's back; I have very erratic positional vertigo, every once in a while; when I first got sober 23 yrs ago, I had quite a few years of having to sleep on my back, or else I felt quite nauseous, even though previously I'd been completely unable to fall asleep on my back at all

AndriaD-Don't know if you were diagnosed medically or self diagnosed?
Sounds very much like bi-positional vertigo.

There's another one, name I can't think of right now but quite severe. Different causes. I dont think it goes away whereas Bi-positional vertigo can as long as you don't get into certain positions, I believe.
You can sleep on one side but the other might trigger it. I can't stay on one side. I end up on both, triggering it on my right. Sleep only on back to avoid it but because you say it was often at nighttime, I suspect there is a position triggering it.
I'm not a doctor but maybe you naturally now know which position to stay away from. I only had 2 severe episodes, 10 years ago. Your body learns very quickly what to avoid.

Don't have the problem at all anymore. Sometimes when I wake up on my right side and my right shoulder hurts so bad I can barely move my arm, I wish I did! But back-sleeping is troublesome with my asthma, so side-sleeping, even with the pain from my shoulder, really works out better for me.

But now and then, every once in a great while, I'll turn my head some random way, and for a few seconds, everything spins. No pattern; no regularity; just some occasional "tetchiness" of my semicirculars. *shrug*

Andria