Before you order look at the Apollo V tube. You can get 30% off with the code V Tube30 right now. It's not a throw away unit like the Egos. I heard the 1100 mah Ego twist is super long. Like uncomfortably long. If you want smaller I think the Ego twists sound great but you may want to get the 900 mah batts. The V Tube is only 20 bucks more. Good luck no matter what unit you choose.
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Here's my .02. I was I the same position as you not too long ago. I had a standard ego style (riva) 1100mah battery and I just wanted a step up without having to go all in on a provari. I got the twist and fell in love.
I found it to be a really good intro to VV without the big price tag. Needless to say 3 weeks later I did get the provari anyway.
As far as size goes the twist is considerably longer than a standard ego battery, and even longer than a provari actually.
I found it to be a really good intro to VV without the big price tag. Needless to say 3 weeks later I did get the provari anyway.
As far as size goes the twist is considerably longer than a standard ego battery, and even longer than a provari actually.
I agree with Rivernut. Try a carto first. If you like cartos, you'll probably like a carto tank. All tanks do is keep the carto wet. They don't add anything to the quality of the carto vape. Their function is strictly convenience, so you don't have to top off a carto. They're an attempt to fix the biggest drawback of cartos, the need to top off.
They'll also work with clearomizers and correct the wicking problems that some clearomizers have. A lot of people use clearomizers in a carto tank. With the Vivi Nova working so well, there's no need to do that unless you need the larger capacity that some carto tanks can give you.
So try a Vivi Nova with the 1.8ohm head. I'm pretty sure you'll like it more than a carto. Personally, I'll never bother using a carto, in or out of a tank, again.
The carto tanks vs Clearomizers issue is pretty clear cut. Nobody seriously disputes that a properly functioning clearo has a cleaner taste. "Properly functioning" is the key phrase. There's some debate about the intensity of flavor and the throat hit of some clearos. Some clearos also have leaking and wicking issues. What complicates things is that there's a lot more difference between one clearomizer and another than there is between one carto and another.
So the topic wouldn't be about carto tanks at all. It would be about Clearos vs Cartos. And it's been debated to death.
If you find a clearo with good taste and decent throat hit and that doesn't leak or give dry hits, all the other advantages so heavily outweigh a cartomizer that many people are willing to sacrifice some small amount of TH or even flavor.
The problem is that, out of dozens of clearos, there are only a handful that don't leak or give dry hits.
IMO, the Vivi Nova and the Fluxomizers do that. I've heard the Phoenix clearos do also. Too many don't. When clearos are finally really perfected, cartomizers will go the way of the old cartridges and they'll be sticking them in every box like they do with pre-filled cartridges.
+10 on this. For $52 shipped, you can get a Vtube with a 1600mah battery and a charger, including shipping and a 1 year warranty. And, it's smaller than a 1000mah Twist. For $8 more, you can get a second 2250mah battery. By the time your Twist bites the dust, your Vtube will still be under warranty. It ain't no Provari, but it's 10 times the machine the Twist is.
Clearomizers, cartomizers and carto/tanks are not terribly expensive. As you have heard, there are many strong opinions here. Even the people we all look up to as the most knowledgeable disagree. That is why I recommended you try the carto/tank system so that you can decide for yourself which you prefer. If you decide that you prefer clearomizers like the Vivi Nova, great, then you will be making an informed decision. If you don't try the commonly used juice systems, you will never know for sure which suits you best. Good luck.
THE ENITRE point of this thread. Do I need VV do experience them in their respective true glory?
Grimm Green and Pbusardo need consistency for their reviews. They slap on a brand new carto every time you see them. They aren't interested in longevity or not wasting juice or not having to use up a new carto for every flavor or not having to top off. They have unlimited cartos and unlimited juice and they need the most consistency possible.
Pbusardo, in particular, does not tolerate any "tweaking". He won't tolerate any variation from perfect consistency, no matter how minor. With a lot of clearomizers, there are things you have to do, like fluffing wicks or flipping washers over. Pbusardo will have none of that. He gets annoyed if he has to tip his PV from the vertical position he always vapes in.
This is why cartomizers suck when compared to a GOOD clearomizer.
* Cartomizers color the taste with their filler material.
* Cartomizers can burn if not topped off frequently. This ruins them for good.
* Cartomizers inevitably waste a certain amount of juice. You can't vape a carto dry and when it finally clogs or burns out, it will always contain some juice. There are ways to recover that juice, but it's a ridiculous process and nobody does it unless they're desperate.
* Cartomizers are hard to clean and they often don't survive the cleaning. If they do, they never really work the same.
* Cartomizers don't last as long as clearomizers.
* Cartomizers are not as economical as clearomizers. Clearomizers cost about 25% more and last 3 or 4 times longer.
If a clearomizer leaks and doesn't wick well or mutes the flavor or throat hit too much, then all of the above doesn't matter and is worth putting up with. But a clearomizer without those problems beats any cartomizer hands down.
This is the problem. If you try a Boge carto and a Smoketech carto, assuming you use the proper resistance, you've tried cartos. You know if you like cartos or not.
Clearos are an entirely different issue. The Boge I used 2 years ago is just like the Boge I used yesterday. When clearos first came out, they were terrible. I didn't touch a clearo for over a year. As far as I was concerned, cartos were better than clearos. Then came the CE2, CE3, G4, and on and on and on, in a constant stream of improvements.
Up until about 4-5 months ago, I would still have said cartos were better. Then, I found some clearos that were better than any carto, because cartos really haven't gone anywhere, except for the dual coil modification.
Nobody can make a blanket statement that cartos are better or worse than clearos without specifying exactly what model of clearo they're talking about. The difference between one carto and another is fairly minor. The differences between clearomizers is vast and significant.
Sailorman, I respect you alot.
I took your adivce and bought some clearos and they were horrible. You yourself helped me troubleshoot them. I think we need to begin to support reliable suppliers so new people aren't discouraged and waste hard earned money. You are not to blame. I am still seeking good quality clearos and madvapes is out of stock. Any other reputable sites you can recommend?
I took your adivce and bought some clearos and they were horrible. You yourself helped me troubleshoot them. I think we need to begin to support reliable suppliers so new people aren't discouraged and waste hard earned money. You are not to blame. I am still seeking good quality clearos and madvapes is out of stock. Any other reputable sites you can recommend?
Yes! It comes with 3 different resistance heads so buy 1 tank system and about 4 extra 1.9 or 1.8 ( I can't reminder) heads. Those will give you the best vape at 3.3V. Give the 2.4 v that comes with it a try but like I said my 2.4v head read 3.0 ohms on my Provari. Anything over 2.4v won't be very productive on a 3.3v device
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You tried the 2.0 or 1.7 cartos, correct? You did or didn't like them?
I also have to say that if you are serious about this, in all likelyhood you will probably end up getting a tube mod for better battery life. And if you do, you may as well get a Provari or equivalent. VV is very convenient and different eliquid flavors taste better at different voltages.
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