Last time I was on CASA they were looking for contributions to do a study.
So, let's say the FDA wins......
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I hear that but... They charge $60.00 for 100 pieces of nic gum :-( and that has nothing to do with taxes. I hope I am wrong, but i fear somehow with the help of the government, and many lobbyists someone will be able to make vaping just as expensive as smoking. I am stocking up ;-)
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They (the FDA) managed to test "samples" from some e-cigs... just enough to scare people (DEG and the like), and then quit testing. I don't think CASA had to contribute 1 cent to that. Why should CASA (or anyone else for that matter) have to contribute? Maybe that's how it works, IDK, but it seems they could just test a random sample of USA sourced e-juice.
Or maybe set a standard testing fee of some sort so vendors could get an FDA tested sticker/logo type of thing. IDK. We already pay for the FDA. Too bad we have to spend money countering selective FDA tests. Why not use some of this "tobacco tax" money, to implement short term and long-term vaping studies, properly done and reviewed by the scientific community?
After all, if vaping is truly a safer and more effective way to quit tobacco, it is in the government's best interest to fund studies with the existing revenue stream that they justified/rationalized getting by reducing smoking, contributing to health care, etc.
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The FDA as far as I know as well is not a taxing authority. They are a regulating authority/safety board I believe. As I understand it what they are trying to do is bring e-cigs under the same umbrella as other regulated tobacco products. Once classified that way then it's easy for taxing authorities to tax it in the same manor that they do other tobacco products.
I think I would be in favor of having strict regulations placed on what can be used as a source to make E-Juice. Mainly unflavored Nic liquid. I agree about the studies. They need to be done. I didn't start vaping to save a buck, although its a nice side affect. I did it for my health. If it turns out to be killing me all the same I'd like to know as I'm sure many of us would. But without some sort of control measure for studies and then assuring that all are using the substance used in the study it wouldn't apply broadly enough to be accurate.
Of course the problem there is it's a slippery slope to high prices and limited manufacturers. Likely Pharma and big tobacco... and I'm not a fan of that.
I think I would be in favor of having strict regulations placed on what can be used as a source to make E-Juice. Mainly unflavored Nic liquid. I agree about the studies. They need to be done. I didn't start vaping to save a buck, although its a nice side affect. I did it for my health. If it turns out to be killing me all the same I'd like to know as I'm sure many of us would. But without some sort of control measure for studies and then assuring that all are using the substance used in the study it wouldn't apply broadly enough to be accurate.
Of course the problem there is it's a slippery slope to high prices and limited manufacturers. Likely Pharma and big tobacco... and I'm not a fan of that.
A little clarification is in order here...
If the FDA wins
Electronic cigarettes will be declared drug delivery devices, and they will immediately be taken off the market.
The FDA will step up their efforts to confiscate shipments of anything and everything electronic cigarette related.
All electonic cigarette businesses in the United States will go out of business.
Electronic cigarettes will only return to the market after someone has applied for marketing them as a drug delivery device.
That process takes years, and is extremely expensive, and many studies must be conducted.
And then they will only return to market if approved by the FDA, which they may not be.
And if they do return, they will be extremely expensive, and possibly require a prescription.
If the FDA loses
Electronic cigarettes will be treated as tobacco products.
They will then be regulated by the FDA under the authority given by the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.
Most likely they will available only in tamper-proof cartridges.
Most likely they will have strict limits on the nicotine strength, and it will probably be quite low.
It is also a strong possibility that they will remove all flavors, and only tobacco (and maybe menthol) flavors will be available.
Then the government will eventually establish a tax schedule for electronic cigarettes.
The current tax structure for tobacco products is mostly based on perceived harm of a given tobacco product.
For this reason, it seems safe to assume that the tax rate may not be that high as most people think.
If the FDA wins
Electronic cigarettes will be declared drug delivery devices, and they will immediately be taken off the market.
The FDA will step up their efforts to confiscate shipments of anything and everything electronic cigarette related.
All electonic cigarette businesses in the United States will go out of business.
Electronic cigarettes will only return to the market after someone has applied for marketing them as a drug delivery device.
That process takes years, and is extremely expensive, and many studies must be conducted.
And then they will only return to market if approved by the FDA, which they may not be.
And if they do return, they will be extremely expensive, and possibly require a prescription.
If the FDA loses
Electronic cigarettes will be treated as tobacco products.
They will then be regulated by the FDA under the authority given by the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.
Most likely they will available only in tamper-proof cartridges.
Most likely they will have strict limits on the nicotine strength, and it will probably be quite low.
It is also a strong possibility that they will remove all flavors, and only tobacco (and maybe menthol) flavors will be available.
Then the government will eventually establish a tax schedule for electronic cigarettes.
The current tax structure for tobacco products is mostly based on perceived harm of a given tobacco product.
For this reason, it seems safe to assume that the tax rate may not be that high as most people think.
Tobacco products are basically supposed to be taxed in relation to the harm they are believed to cause.
And because of that, electronic cigarettes should be taxed at rates comparable to snuff and snus.
I assume these are the current Federal Excise Taxes...
TTB Tax and Fee Rate
And because of that, electronic cigarettes should be taxed at rates comparable to snuff and snus.
I assume these are the current Federal Excise Taxes...
TTB Tax and Fee Rate
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[B]Tobacco Products [/B][B]1000 units [/B][B]Pack of 20[/B]
Small Cigarettes $50.33 $1.01
Large Cigarettes $105.69 $2.11
Small Cigars $50.33 $1.01
[B]Tobacco Products [/B][B]1 lb. [/B][B]Tin or Pouch[/B]
Pipe Tobacco $2.8311 $0.1769
Chewing Tobacco $0.5033 $0.0315
Snuff $1.51 $0.0944
Roll-your-own Tobacco $24.78 $1.5488No going back. I want to quit smoking. Death is bad enough, I don't want my son to see THAT type of death. Not in it for the money. (2 weeks vaping, 3rd day totally analog free.)
You finally went analog free after 2 weeks. That is awesome. Congrats! I have been vaping for a month but, I haven't had a good kit to use. Since I didn't have a good kit, I would go days without vaping and trying different things. I had a Blu kit and while I got it working pretty well with a few mods, the batteries started to die and not hold a great charge. Now that I have my Riva 510, I am really enjoying this. I still wake up and have an analog in the morning. Once I can break that, I am pretty sure I can go all day without an analog.
Again, congrats. It gives me hope.
Yeah, the morning one was hard for me too. Plus battery life. I got my eGo on Wednesday and that ended the analogs due to battery life. Friday morning I got up and got busy so I could avoid the analog. Yesterday and today, same thing. Trying to build a new morning habit.
Excellent. It looks like you had the same issues I have. At least I am not alone.
I am going to try and find something to keep me busy in the morning. Thanks for the advice.
David
I don't think e-liquid companies will go out of business if the FDA loses. If the nicotine is removed, E-liquid could just as easily be marketed as drink and cake/candy flavoring.
USA made nicotine PG or VG mix will probably be harder to come by due to FDA regulation, if it is even available now; most nic juice is produced in China where most of the worlds tobacco is grown.
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