So Much For The Germ Killer Theory

[MissVapor]

It has been reported that Propylene Glycol was a germ killer...My daughter started getting a runny nose 3 days ago, and today I woke up with a runny nose!

I normally don't puff on my vapor during the day, but I've been hitting it here and there to see if it helps me get over the cold faster..

Ill keep u updated (and no its not swine flu, no other symptoms but runny nose)

 

[Oldnamenomore]

lol its not a miracle drug

 

[wyzardd]

You're probably doing it wrong - you need to vape through your nose as well. I try to keep an M401 up each nostril and an 801 in my mouth

 

[CaSHMeRe]

if your not exhaling PG through the nose, how is it supposed to help haha

I have noticed that I don't seem to get sick as often and no weird allergy issues from the move from CA to TN with all the pollen around.

Perhaps it helps keep the symptoms away, but once you have it, you have it? just a guess

 

[CaSHMeRe]

You're probably doing it wrong - you need to vape through your nose as well. I try to keep an M401 up each nostril and an 801 in my mouth

darn ... wyzardd beat me to it!

 

[QueenInNC]

I don't think PG will sanitize the world around you

 

[MissVapor]

You're probably doing it wrong - you need to vape through your nose as well. I try to keep an M401 up each nostril and an 801 in my mouth

OH, right I should've known..I will try that later, thanks

 

[DCrist721]

It has been reported that Propylene Glycol was a germ killer...My daughter started getting a runny nose 3 days ago, and today I woke up with a runny nose!

I normally don't puff on my vapor during the day, but I've been hitting it here and there to see if it helps me get over the cold faster..

Ill keep u updated (and no its not swine flu, no other symptoms but runny nose)

From what I've read PG is an anti-bacterial compound. Illnesses are either bacterial or viral; if its' bacterial then antibiotics can help, but if it's viral nothing can help. And regardless, PG would only really be a surface santizer as far as killing bacteria, like alcohol. If you wipe down something in alcohol, it will kill the bacteria, but if you have a bacterial infection drinking alcohol isn't going to do anything, so the same goes for PG. Understand now?

 

[SleepHater]

From what I've read PG is an anti-bacterial compound. Illnesses are either bacterial or viral; if its' bacterial then antibiotics can help, but if it's viral nothing can help. And regardless, PG would only really be a surface santizer as far as killing bacteria, like alcohol. If you wipe down something in alcohol, it will kill the bacteria, but if you have a bacterial infection drinking alcohol isn't going to do anything, so the same goes for PG. Understand now?

Zinc actually helps fight viral infections, increase immune cell function in mucous membranes (helps your tissue macrophages uptake and transport virus particals to your lymph nodes to mount a immune response), zinc lozenges, mouth sprays, nose sprays etc. You want the one with gluconate, i.e zinc gluconate. Don't vape it though! Just my 2 cents, colds suck!

 

[OutWest]

colloidal silver is also said to help. But, be warned; too much silver and you permanently turn into a human blueberry, like something out of Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

Yes, that's a real pic.

Use of colloidal silver is related to the whole baby silver spoons, etc. that became popular during the plague in the middle ages. And, similar to our ecigs, it has had a rough history with the FDA. In August 1999, the FDA banned colloidal silver sellers from claiming any therapeutic value and banned over-the-counter sale of drug products containing colloidal silver. The product now has the status of a dietary supplement in the US. Source Colloidal silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hope you get better, and quick

 

[leaford]

Miss Vaper, PG really is an airborn antiseptic, but the amounts we vape aren't enough to sanitize our environments. Besides, most colds and flus are spread by contact, not airborne.

Zinc actually helps fight viral infections, increase immune cell function in mucous membranes (helps your tissue macrophages uptake and transport virus particals to your lymph nodes to mount a immune response), zinc lozenges, mouth sprays, nose sprays etc. You want the one with gluconate, i.e zinc gluconate. Don't vape it though! Just my 2 cents, colds suck!

SOme studies support Zinc, but others show no effectiveness. At best, it's unproven. I wouldn't rely on it. Zinc and the Common Cold: A Meta-Analysis Revisited -- Jackson et al. 130 (5): 1512S -- Journal of Nutrition

colloidal silver is also said to help. But, be warned; too much silver and you permanently turn into a human blueberry, like something out of Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

Yes, that's a real pic.

Use of colloidal silver is related to the whole baby silver spoons, etc. that became popular during the plague in the middle ages. And, similar to our ecigs, it has had a rough history with the FDA. In August 1999, the FDA banned colloidal silver sellers from claiming any therapeutic value and banned over-the-counter sale of drug products containing colloidal silver. The product now has the status of a dietary supplement in the US. Source Colloidal silver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hope you get better, and quick

Colloidial silver is actually an antiseptic, and before modern medicine, it was about the best thing around. But modern antibiotics, like penicillin, are far superior, and too much colloidal silver can cause even more serious health consequences than blue skin. That doesn't stop alternative practitioners from pushing it, claiming it cures everything from AIDS to WHooping cough. It doesn't. It's only proven benefit is as a weak antibiotic.
Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit

 

[SleepHater]

SOme studies support Zinc, but others show no effectiveness. At best, it's unproven. I wouldn't rely on it. Zinc and the Common Cold: A Meta-Analysis Revisited -- Jackson et al. 130 (5): 1512S -- Journal of Nutrition

Meta-Analysis are a poor predictor of efficacy, gold standard is still randomized trials.

See:
[SIZE=+1]Discrepancies between meta-analyses and subsequent large randomized, controlled trials.[/SIZE]

LeLorier J, Grégoire G, Benhaddad A, Lapierre J, Derderian F.

Research Center, Hôtel-Dieu de Montréal Hospital, Department of Medicine, University of Montreal, QC, Canada.

BACKGROUND: Meta-analyses are now widely used to provide evidence to support clinical strategies. However, large randomized, controlled trials are considered the gold standard in evaluating the efficacy of clinical interventions. METHODS: We compared the results of large randomized, controlled trials (involving 1000 patients or more) that were published in four journals (the New England Journal of Medicine, the Lancet, the Annals of Internal Medicine, and the Journal of the American Medical Association) with the results of meta-analyses published earlier on the same topics. Regarding the principal and secondary outcomes, we judged whether the findings of the randomized trials agreed with those of the corresponding meta-analyses, and we determined whether the study results were positive (indicating that treatment improved the outcome) or negative (indicating that the outcome with treatment was the same or worse than without it) at the conventional level of statistical significance (P<0.05). RESULTS: We identified 12 large randomized, controlled trials and 19 meta-analyses addressing the same questions. For a total of 40 primary and secondary outcomes, agreement between the meta-analyses and the large clinical trials was only fair (kappa= 0.35; 95 percent confidence interval, 0.06 to 0.64). The positive predictive value of the meta-analyses was 68 percent, and the negative predictive value 67 percent. However, the difference in point estimates between the randomized trials and the meta-analyses was statistically significant for only 5 of the 40 comparisons (12 percent). Furthermore, in each case of disagreement a statistically significant effect of treatment was found by one method, whereas no statistically significant effect was found by the other. CONCLUSIONS: The outcomes of the 12 large randomized, controlled trials that we studied were not predicted accurately 35 percent of the time by the meta-analyses published previously on the same topics.

Publication Types:

• Comparative Study

PMID: 9262498 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

 

[MissVapor]

Yeah, I saw that guy on Oprah or something..He looks like Papa Smurf

 

[RaverCJ]

PG is like taking echinacea supplements. It might be helping, it might not.

Chris

 

[Pheisty]

Miss Vaper, PG really is an airborn antiseptic, but the amounts we vape aren't enough to sanitize our environments. Besides, most colds and flus are spread by contact, not airborne.



SOme studies support Zinc, but others show no effectiveness. At best, it's unproven. I wouldn't rely on it. Zinc and the Common Cold: A Meta-Analysis Revisited -- Jackson et al. 130 (5): 1512S -- Journal of Nutrition



Colloidial silver is actually an antiseptic, and before modern medicine, it was about the best thing around. But modern antibiotics, like penicillin, are far superior, and too much colloidal silver can cause even more serious health consequences than blue skin. That doesn't stop alternative practitioners from pushing it, claiming it cures everything from AIDS to WHooping cough. It doesn't. It's only proven benefit is as a weak antibiotic.
Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit

I've been making and using my own colloidal silver for eight years. I drink it and put it on my skin regularly, and give it to my kids when they have upset stomachs. They now ask for it when they feel like they're going to throw up and within fifteen minutes, they feel better (as do I when I use it for the same purpose). I'm not turning blue, and neither are my kids. This blue guy was ingesting HUGE amounts of a substandard product called 'colloidal silver' but it wasn't actual CS. It had large particles of silver in it that the body couldn't break down. In my CS, you can't see any of the particles, as they're smaller than cells and are easily removed from the body through urine and bm's.

Oh, and I also use it in my netipot when my sinuses are getting stuffy.

I'm actually considering vaping it, which is what brought me to this thread.