So my doc doesn't like vaping

[OlderNDirt]

You can always say, "Ok. I'll just start smoking again since it's less harmful to me."

Or when you make that next appointment, just tell her that based on her expert advice, you gave up vaping and went back to smoking.

My GP and cardiologist both gave me a thumbs up with the caveat to cut down/eliminate nicotine leading to eliminating both.

 

[RoseJ]

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. My doctor is absolutely fine with e-cigarettes if they stop me from smoking. I quit a few days ago, and my next checkup is in May. If my red blood-cell count has gone down, she (and I) will be VERY happy.

 

[Asbestos4004]

How about letting them have their opinion and let your improved health change their mind.
I'd think doctors would laugh when patients try to teach them about health issues. I know I laugh when building owners try to tell me how to tear down buildings.

 

[Wruff]

So I had my regular checkup at the VA yesterday. When the doc asked me about any changes since my last visit six months ago, I told her I had quit smoking by switching to vaping. She then immediately chimed in with "popcorn lung" and that ecigs have also been linked to pulmonary fibrosis.

I've told a couple of my VA doctors that I vape now instead of smoking and they both said RIGHT ON.
The more vets vaping instead of smoking the better!

 

[srpurdy]

Do people really go for regular check ups? lol

I haven't been to a doctor in probably 15 years. 99% quacks that are just feed bs from drug companies in order to drug push meds onto you. Really a waste of time. and it's all free here so I don't have an excuse.

Eat well, Exercise and drink lots of water but not too much water, and you'll be fine. I don't need a crazy degree for this logic.

 

[JMarca]

Do people really go for regular check ups? lol

I haven't been to a doctor in probably 15 years. 99% quacks that are just feed bs from drug companies in order to drug push meds onto you. Really a waste of time. and it's all free here so I don't have an excuse.

Eat well, Exercise and drink lots of water but not too much water, and you'll be fine. I don't need a crazy degree for this logic.

Depends on your line of work, some employers REQUIRE you to have routine checkups, also doesn't hurt to know your health status especially if it's on their dime.

 

[srpurdy]

Depends on your line of work, some employers REQUIRE you to have routine checkups, also doesn't hurt to know your health status especially if it's on their dime.

good point. I run my own business so doesn't really matter I guess haha.

 

[Bunnykiller]

next time... dont mention you vape... let them listen to you breath and let them decide if your lungs are clearing up

my Dr. was totally amazed that I went from "Rice Crispy" to as clear as "a non smoker" with the breathing/listening test...

 

[The Shotcaller]

You need to fly your doctor out to an all expenses paid "seminar" (vacation) somewhere tropical like the blood sucking pharmaceutical companies do to get the doctors to push their toxic drugs that harm and often kill the patients

 

[The Shotcaller]

also doesn't hurt to know your health status especially if it's on their dime.

Unless you go in healthy and get "diagnosed" with a fictional need for some quack "treatment" to make money for some pharma leeches who need illness in order to profit (the only thing they care about) and you are supposed to be mentally ill from a lifetime of fictional propaganda via fake "news" and "entertainment" and believe that these billion dollar businesses which need suffering to profit and have never cured anyone are altruists who care about you and want to help you.

 

[Woofer]

IMO, don't argue with your doctor. Vapers cherry pick the studies that support their argument. But we are hardly scientists that can decide what the truth really is.

Wow

I shall wait patiently while someone else tells me what the truth is.
Furthermore, I shall not give my opinion until I am told what my opinion is.

Yes, that seems much better than reading every study I can,
along with the follow ups and background.
Sort of eliminates the effort of paying attention to what my body is telling me too.

Excellent I can just do nothing and get paid for it!!!

 

[Maiar]

My doctor and my dentist think vaping is the greatest thing ever. So many people are quitting smoking they say, and how there is literally no way that it could ever be as bad as cigarettes or other kinds of tobacco.

 

[Vapez]

The levels of dieacetyl in eliquid is much lower than in cigarettes.

Or you could just vape diacetyl free juice and tell that to your doc.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

So I had my regular checkup at the VA yesterday. When the doc asked me about any changes since my last visit six months ago, I told her I had quit smoking by switching to vaping. She then immediately chimed in with "popcorn lung" and that ecigs have also been linked to pulmonary fibrosis.

Anybody got some decent links for counter arguments?

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Brought my wife to a walk in clinic the other day, she was there 2 weeks before because she had the flu, the first visit I told her to ask for prednisone and he didn't give it to her (she has asthma when she has the flu it always escalates to a lung infection) so anyways I went with her this time and went in with her to see the doctor, asked if she was taking her puffers, yep yep, did you take the antibiotics? yep yep, he ended up giving her just prednisone after I stated it works for her every time this happens, asked her if she smokes, she said yep but she's thinking of trying vaping, he said it is basically as bad as smoking because all the carcinogens when the liquid is burned, he basically thought we were smoking the liquid and not turning it into a vapor... I tried to explain to him that it wasn't being burned and that it was actually aerosolized but he wasn't hearing any of it.....

With that said, as long as health agency's aren't picking a side, as long as they don't inform doctors that there is benefits to it over smoking there is always going to be good doctors that are for it because they read the studies and are good doctors and the bad ones that will think of it as smoking or just as bad or worse than smoking..
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Tell him you quit vaping and smoking and watch him tell you that your health is improving.....

Not sure how up to date this is anymore but here's some good info to print off for him...

What to Advise to Respiratory Patients Intending to Use Electronic Cigarettes - Riccardo Polosa - Discovery Medicine

 

[MrDripper]

Sorry, but ANY doctor that dismisses vaping as a viable alternative to smoking should not only be disbanded, but IMO should be charged with negligence.
All too often, these 'doctors' are receiving kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies to prescribe their poison. And having taken the 'poison' myself, I can honestly say that.
I was on Champix for 4 weeks. Besides smoking more than ever, I was also having very vivid, lucid dreams. When I dreamt that I ran over my 4 year old daughter with a lawnmower...on purpose...I said that enough of that.
My doctor was, and is, all for it when I asked him about vaping instead of smoking.
If I were you, I'd get myself a new doctor.
In any case, Vape On, my friend.

 

[Toronnah]

Then by all means, stop seeking medical treatment. All if you that think you are smarter than your doctor because of what you read on the internet can treat yourselves.

 

[VNeil]

My response to that doctor: "Ok, point me to a single study finding a single case of popcorn lung in a vaper that never worked in a food flavoring factory. Then I'll seriously take this under advisement"

If the doctor throws down the "we just don't know yet" card then I'd ask if I'm better off smoking, which we know all about...."

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Retired military here. Still use on base facilities for medical. I have had no issues with the Doctors and staff on vaping, most consider it "Not Smoking".

Now, if I could only get them to treat my nerve pain as seriously as they took my vaping....

 

[jambi]

Actually, it's the doctor's job to advise caution regarding anything unknown. To that end I'd say any doctor that advises against vaping is expected and appropriate. However, doctors that scream "Popcorn Lung" are really just echoing the information that's being circulated within their mainstream medical industrial complex borders. It's a reflection of how intertwined medicine and government are in this age.

I always go to the Buddhist clinic first, because 40 bucks for a consultation and blood test is a steal, and because the doctors there offer much more objective and constructive advice than my "ObamaCare McDonalds drive thru docs. When I told one of the doctors there that I'd given up smoking in favor of vaping, he replied that while there are still a lot of unknowns regarding vaping, he generally considers it a much less risky alternative to smoking. I appreciate that he at least gave me some kind of an educated response instead of just chastising me for seeking alternatives to tobacco. We need more of that...so many doctors just can't see far enough through their own condescension to understand it.

 

[OlderNDirt]

Then by all means, stop seeking medical treatment. All if you that think you are smarter than your doctor because of what you read on the internet can treat yourselves.

I have no idea how much experience you have with the medical profession, but such a blanket statement just doesn't work. Just one of several personal instances that suggests just because a doctor may have gotten a degree indicating a high level of intelligence doesn't mean they know everything. Read on if you really care:

Many years ago, I had my own disagreement with our family doctor and changed. Unfortunately, my wife did not agree with my assessment and elected to stay with said doctor. Wanting to increase the size of our family at that time, but not having success, she scheduled an appointment with said "doctor". She returned from her visit and called me at work, all bent out of shape from the results. She was scheduled for surgery in two days to remove "a cyst the size of a tennis ball from an ovary." At that point, I put my foot down, said absolutely not, cancel the surgery, and we will go see a specialist. We did and found she never had a cyst at all and the specialist called that clinic "a bunch of butchers" and had we gone through with the surgery, she would never again have been able to get pregnant. BTW, the result of our decisions is now almost 33 years old and there was no surgery involved.

The saddest part of this story is that a few months later talking with a very good friend I had grown up with, he proceeded to tell me about the recent surgery his wife just had. Want to take a guess what the surgery was for and who their doctor was?

Yes, this was a long time ago, but believe me there are other, more recent instances. But this one is probably the most impactful.

While I can't totally disagree with your statement, I also don't believe in putting a doctor in an ivory tower. There are good ones and bad ones and we all need to be smart enough to tell the difference. And no matter how good you feel your doctor is, a second opinion is not unreasonable given the seriousness of your situation. And on a side note, my wife and I both agree that we accompany each other on every doctor visit. Not only to both hear what the doctor has to say, but to double our ability to "ask the right questions."

Sorry for the long post, but as you can tell, I have serious concerns when it comes to the medical profession.