So my doc doesn't like vaping

[Zakillah]

What exactly makes a doctor automaticly a specialist in Ecigs?
Just read what some of those "specialists" did say. Burning liquid, popcorn lung, brain damage? They can be great and highly competent otherwise, but how am I supposed to take gibberish like that serious?

 

[Toronnah]

I have no idea how much experience you have with the medical profession, but such a blanket statement just doesn't work. Just one of several personal instances that suggests just because a doctor may have gotten a degree indicating a high level of intelligence doesn't mean they know everything. Read on if you really care:

Many years ago, I had my own disagreement with our family doctor and changed. Unfortunately, my wife did not agree with my assessment and elected to stay with said doctor. Wanting to increase the size of our family at that time, but not having success, she scheduled an appointment with said "doctor". She returned from her visit and called me at work, all bent out of shape from the results. She was scheduled for surgery in two days to remove "a cyst the size of a tennis ball from an ovary." At that point, I put my foot down, said absolutely not, cancel the surgery, and we will go see a specialist. We did and found she never had a cyst at all and the specialist called that clinic "a bunch of butchers" and had we gone through with the surgery, she would never again have been able to get pregnant. BTW, the result of our decisions is now almost 33 years old and there was no surgery involved.

The saddest part of this story is that a few months later talking with a very good friend I had grown up with, he proceeded to tell me about the recent surgery his wife just had. Want to take a guess what the surgery was for and who their doctor was?

Yes, this was a long time ago, but believe me there are other, more recent instances. But this one is probably the most impactful.

While I can't totally disagree with your statement, I also don't believe in putting a doctor in an ivory tower. There are good ones and bad ones and we all need to be smart enough to tell the difference. And no matter how good you feel your doctor is, a second opinion is not unreasonable given the seriousness of your situation. And on a side note, my wife and I both agree that we accompany each other on every doctor visit. Not only to both hear what the doctor has to say, but to double our ability to "ask the right questions."

Sorry for the long post, but as you can tell, I have serious concerns when it comes to the medical profession.

I'm not saying yo put doctors in an ivory tower.

I suppose my response is to ask if people here think they are smarter than their mechanics, plumbers, accountants, lawyers and electricians.

 

[OlderNDirt]

I'm not saying yo put doctors in an ivory tower.

I suppose my response is to ask if people here think they are smarter than their mechanics, plumbers, accountants, lawyers and electricians.

I guess my point is don't put full and blind trust in your doctor, mechanic, plumber, accountant, lawyer or electrician just because they MAY be smarter then you. They may just be smart enough to take advantage of you. If they try to, and I catch them at it, are they still "smarter" then me? I have been around long enough that I have honestly seen individuals from each and every one of those professions do some pretty stupid things.

On a side note, I did have to chuckle when I saw "lawyer" on your list. My son, a criminal defense partner can tell some very interesting stories from his law school days and since. But I better stop there.

 

[Racehorse]

This doctor is quite clearly prejudiced against vaping, and prejudice isn't science.

I found a doctor who loved vaping. He also a clearly believed in Big Pharma, cuz every time I went there he was pushing prescriptions on me. He also went for the low hanging fruit i.e. "you have this, therefore this problem is related to that" instead of thinking outside the box.

People on this board who think just because doctor supports vaping makes them a good doctor may be going under false assumptions.

I fired THAT one as quickly as I could.

Now I have a doctor that isn't wild about vaping.... at all. But is one of the most intuitive, hard-working, consciencious and best doctors I've ever had.

IMO, don't argue with your doctor. Vapers cherry pick the studies that support their argument. But we are hardly scientists that can decide what the truth really is.

If you develop the ailments they suggest, then they treat it. If not, it's a non issue.

Smart post.

 

[Racehorse]

I may have to request a new doc. However, apart from the attitude about vaping, I actually like this one. She actually takes some other health issues I have (chonic pain in my back and hip that affects my walking) seriously as opposed to my previous doc who always gave me a "suck it up and drive on" attitude.

Well if everything in your life is surrounded by vaping being the KEY issue, most important thing in your life, then getting a new doctor might be a good idea.

My ability to be mobile (walk) is more important than vaping, so I know how I would decide.

I feel the same way about politics and voting. I'm just not a one-issue voter and never will be. Most decisions for most people tend to include having to evaluate and parse thru some "grey" issues. Extremists only see things in black and white.

I can tell you thiis much: finding a good doctor, one you can work with on your most serious issues, is very hard. you could go thru 10 and not find one who knows how to listen, can connect dots, and is compassionate and has right personality for you. So be careful when tossing this one, because you may regret it.

 

[lpboyle]

Yeah, I'll probably just quit talking to her about the vaping.

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[DC2]

Actually, it's the doctor's job to advise caution regarding anything unknown. To that end I'd say any doctor that advises against vaping is expected and appropriate.

The terminology is "Standard of Care" and it guides doctors in what they SHOULD advise.
Standard of care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If your doctor "officially" advises using electronic cigarettes, they are asking for potential trouble.
Because such advice would probably go against the current "Standard of Care" doctrine.

Any doctor that "officially" advises that gets my seal of approval.
But a smart doctor will "suggest" off the record that it is something worth looking into.

 

[Atchafalaya]

The terminology is "Standard of Care" and it guides doctors in what they SHOULD advise.
Standard of care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If your doctor "officially" advises using electronic cigarettes, they are asking for potential trouble.

Any doctor that "officially" advises that gets my seal of approval.
But a smart doctor will "suggest" off the record that it is something worth looking into.

My chiropractor told me to try e-cigs 5 years ago. And here I am. Smoke free and feeling GREAT!

 

[mattymatt82]

I am lucky, my doctor was very happy when I stopped smoking and started vaping instead.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I'm not saying yo put doctors in an ivory tower.

I suppose my response is to ask if people here think they are smarter than their mechanics, plumbers, accountants, lawyers and electricians.

There are times when the answer to your question is, "Yes, I am."

 

[CMD-Ky]

I guess my point is don't put full and blind trust in your doctor, mechanic, plumber, accountant, lawyer or electrician just because they MAY be smarter then you. They may just be smart enough to take advantage of you. If they try to, and I catch them at it, are they still "smarter" then me? I have been around long enough that I have honestly seen individuals from each and every one of those professions do some pretty stupid things.

On a side note, I did have to chuckle when I saw "lawyer" on your list. My son, a criminal defense partner can tell some very interesting stories from his law school days and since. But I better stop there.

To bolster your statement with a personal experience, I became a judge and that still frightens my former professors.

 

[CMD-Ky]

The terminology is "Standard of Care" and it guides doctors in what they SHOULD advise.
Standard of care - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If your doctor "officially" advises using electronic cigarettes, they are asking for potential trouble.
Because such advice would probably go against the current "Standard of Care" doctrine.

Any doctor that "officially" advises that gets my seal of approval.
But a smart doctor will "suggest" off the record that it is something worth looking into.

Yep, vaping ain't in the cook book.

 

[AndriaD]

Funny I mentioned to my Doc that I quit smoking and was just vaping, he told me if I can keep it up after 3 months he will consider me a non smoker and would pass that info to my insurance company

Yeah... my doc is over the moon that I finally found a way to ditch the coffin nails... NO MATTER HOW I did it! He's amazed and delighted, after 18 yrs of my "no thanks" to any NRT. I once asked him about a prescription for the nicotrol inhaler, and he told he couldn't prescribe it to me, because I have asthma! And he agreed with me that it was totally stupid to deny asthmatics, who need to quit smoking more than anybody, a chance at those inhalers, but his hands were tied thx to the AMA and my medical history. I think he's pleased that there's finally a way AROUND that stupidity!

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

She made clear her preference was neither smoking nor vaping. (Nicotine Nazi!!!)

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I would have to inform Dr nazi that her permission was not required, and her preference for neither had no bearing on your own personal requirements; it's one or the other, and you choose the less harmful.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Depends on your line of work, some employers REQUIRE you to have routine checkups, also doesn't hurt to know your health status especially if it's on their dime.

Also if you have ANY kind of condition, no matter how minor, that requires medication, you have to go see the doc just to get refills. And while you're there, they'll check you over to make sure things are stable. Considering that growing older is "entropy walking," just knowing that things are stable is a good checkup!

Andria

 

[lpboyle]

I would have to inform Dr nazi that her permission was not required, and her preference for neither had no bearing on your own personal requirements; it's one or the other, and you choose the less harmful.

Andria

Hey, Andria

I'll see how it goes with my next checkup before I blast her too much.

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[srpurdy]

Brought my wife to a walk in clinic the other day, she was there 2 weeks before because she had the flu, the first visit I told her to ask for prednisone and he didn't give it to her (she has asthma when she has the flu it always escalates to a lung infection) so anyways I went with her this time and went in with her to see the doctor, asked if she was taking her puffers, yep yep, did you take the antibiotics? yep yep, he ended up giving her just prednisone after I stated it works for her every time this happens, asked her if she smokes, she said yep but she's thinking of trying vaping, he said it is basically as bad as smoking because all the carcinogens when the liquid is burned, he basically thought we were smoking the liquid and not turning it into a vapor... I tried to explain to him that it wasn't being burned and that it was actually aerosolized but he wasn't hearing any of it.....

With that said, as long as health agency's aren't picking a side, as long as they don't inform doctors that there is benefits to it over smoking there is always going to be good doctors that are for it because they read the studies and are good doctors and the bad ones that will think of it as smoking or just as bad or worse than smoking..
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Tell him you quit vaping and smoking and watch him tell you that your health is improving.....

Not sure how up to date this is anymore but here's some good info to print off for him...

What to Advise to Respiratory Patients Intending to Use Electronic Cigarettes - Riccardo Polosa - Discovery Medicine

and thats why I said 99% are quacks, it is like a math equation to them. Smoking = bad health. To me someone basing their opinion of your health on just information, and not actually looking is not doing their job. either that is a form of laziness or they really have no clue what they are doing. In either case better off without it.

 

[JMarca]

Sounds like some of you guys have some really pushy doctors. I've been with mine for years she really doesn't care about the vaping, she definitely did care about smoking. Lately she seems more concerned about my diet than anything else. She has applauded the fact that my breathing has drastically improved, but generally doesn't seem to have an opinion on vaping. I did ask her once and she said well I would prefer you quit both but if I had to choose one or the other vaping over smoking without a doubt.

 

[Rossum]

I may have to request a new doc. However, apart from the attitude about vaping, I actually like this one. She actually takes some other health issues I have (chonic pain in my back and hip that affects my walking) seriously as opposed to my previous doc who always gave me a "suck it up and drive on" attitude.

If you really like her except for her attitude toward vaping, what difference does that attitude make?

Think about it this way: If you were still smoking, she wouldn't like that either, but her disapproval likely wouldn't bother you much. So why does her disapproval of vaping bother you so much?

 

[salemgold]

I have not read the entire thread to know if this has been posted yet or not. It is a little dated and there are much more recent studies that have been done proving the safety of vaping. I just don't have them bookmarked. Hope this helps you.

The Ultimate List of E-Cig Studies: Are E-Cigs Actually Safe? *Updated 2/16/14 - onVaping

Just want to add that my mom (79 years old) quit smoking and started vaping for a few months last year. We were in her very well respected lung docs exam room and she was steadily vaping on her Ego Twist. Only because she was not thinking about what she was doing at the time. Anyway, he applauded her for putting the cigs down after 64 years of heavy smoking and switching to vaping. Never batted an eye at the vapor that was filling the exam room (ha,ha) Some docs actually do keep up with the studies on vaping.