You should have seen them try to light them....
(I joke, I joke...)
So the FBI came into work today...
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You should have seen them try to light them....
(I joke, I joke...)
Having a few relatives and friend in various positions of Law Enforcement, and some experience with the F.B.I., the whole thing sounds a bit "off".
The DEA handles "illicit" substances and delivery devices.
TSA runs investigations pertaining to Airport security, crashes, air transportation threats.
ATF handles weapons and the general alcohol and tobacco.
The Post Office General investigates mail abuses.
Local PD and sheriffs would handle local issues.
The FBI would be involved if the "issue" went beyond State Borders.
All of these agencies, and any under the "Law Enforcement" umbrella would be legally bound to have a search warrant if they removed anything from a property, with invoices for all items taken. Unless they want to pull out the old "Patriot Act".
Because they were "suits", they should have identified themselves immediately. The owner of the B & M should have taken their credentials and contacted the agent's field office to verify their ID's.
They should have stated their intent.
Without a warrant, the owner was under no obligation to give them anything.
The FBI would have had to notify local Law Enforcement of any type of investigation and local LE would have been present.
Without an inventory receipt of what they took, the owner has no claim to get the items back.
Expect that the FBI did background on everyone working at the B & M.
Might as well just accept that the phones have already had wire taps placed on them and that any computer systems have been hacked.
Quite possibly, these "field agents" were probably just trying to see how they could get around a "No Smoking" policy in the office, but........a large majority of agents are Mormon, and they don't smoke anyway.
Are they trying to connect the Mexican Cartels' take over of many of Mexico's mines, and the export of ores to China for manufacture and resell?
Realistically, it sounds like the B & M owner got burned by a bunch of "posers" who walked away with free merchandise. Maybe this is a new twist to "shoplifting" and B & M's should keep their eyes open.
The DEA handles "illicit" substances and delivery devices.
TSA runs investigations pertaining to Airport security, crashes, air transportation threats.
ATF handles weapons and the general alcohol and tobacco.
The Post Office General investigates mail abuses.
Local PD and sheriffs would handle local issues.
The FBI would be involved if the "issue" went beyond State Borders.
All of these agencies, and any under the "Law Enforcement" umbrella would be legally bound to have a search warrant if they removed anything from a property, with invoices for all items taken. Unless they want to pull out the old "Patriot Act".
Because they were "suits", they should have identified themselves immediately. The owner of the B & M should have taken their credentials and contacted the agent's field office to verify their ID's.
They should have stated their intent.
Without a warrant, the owner was under no obligation to give them anything.
The FBI would have had to notify local Law Enforcement of any type of investigation and local LE would have been present.
Without an inventory receipt of what they took, the owner has no claim to get the items back.
Expect that the FBI did background on everyone working at the B & M.
Might as well just accept that the phones have already had wire taps placed on them and that any computer systems have been hacked.
Quite possibly, these "field agents" were probably just trying to see how they could get around a "No Smoking" policy in the office, but........a large majority of agents are Mormon, and they don't smoke anyway.
Are they trying to connect the Mexican Cartels' take over of many of Mexico's mines, and the export of ores to China for manufacture and resell?
Realistically, it sounds like the B & M owner got burned by a bunch of "posers" who walked away with free merchandise. Maybe this is a new twist to "shoplifting" and B & M's should keep their eyes open.
Maybe for calibrating another type of sensor/scanner used to look for threats. Or to test sniffer dogs' reactions. Neat story. I'm sure if I get passed this page there's more detail. I just wanted to throw out my theory before I read ahead and see it's already been debunked.
Having a few relatives and friend in various positions of Law Enforcement, and some experience with the F.B.I., the whole thing sounds a bit "off".
The DEA handles "illicit" substances and delivery devices.
TSA runs investigations pertaining to Airport security, crashes, air transportation threats.
ATF handles weapons and the general alcohol and tobacco.
The Post Office General investigates mail abuses.
Local PD and sheriffs would handle local issues.
The FBI would be involved if the "issue" went beyond State Borders.
All of these agencies, and any under the "Law Enforcement" umbrella would be legally bound to have a search warrant if they removed anything from a property, with invoices for all items taken. Unless they want to pull out the old "Patriot Act".
Because they were "suits", they should have identified themselves immediately. The owner of the B & M should have taken their credentials and contacted the agent's field office to verify their ID's.
They should have stated their intent.
Without a warrant, the owner was under no obligation to give them anything.
The FBI would have had to notify local Law Enforcement of any type of investigation and local LE would have been present.
Without an inventory receipt of what they took, the owner has no claim to get the items back.
Expect that the FBI did background on everyone working at the B & M.
Might as well just accept that the phones have already had wire taps placed on them and that any computer systems have been hacked.
Quite possibly, these "field agents" were probably just trying to see how they could get around a "No Smoking" policy in the office, but........a large majority of agents are Mormon, and they don't smoke anyway.
Are they trying to connect the Mexican Cartels' take over of many of Mexico's mines, and the export of ores to China for manufacture and resell?
Realistically, it sounds like the B & M owner got burned by a bunch of "posers" who walked away with free merchandise. Maybe this is a new twist to "shoplifting" and B & M's should keep their eyes open.
Right on Nini. Perhaps the principal/s should be filling for an investigation with their own local law enforcement. Just because some may act under the color of law does not necessarily mean they are properly executing their authority or responsibility under it.
Good luck.
Realistically, it sounds like the B & M owner got burned by a bunch of "posers" who walked away with free merchandise. Maybe this is a new twist to "shoplifting" and B & M's should keep their eyes open.
How so? According to the OP, the items were borrowed and returned unused... Are you referring to a different FBI 'raid?'
FBI wanted them to make copies of clones?Maybe the govt wants to sent a message,we are ready for the attack on vapers.
Must have missed the Op's post that the items were returned. Don't know anything about a "raid". Just posting SOP for the noted LE.
Edit: Post #16 "They borrowed and are returning it unused. They were the real deal, man." No post that the items have been returned.
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Save me the time to reread all the posts, which post said the items were returned? I must have missed that one.
Watching with interest as I think this is the shop near my Dayton office where I buy my juice.
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True. And suspicious.
However, depends on what they "Borrowed"....the value of em.
Why go to that much trouble to get $75.00 worth of stuffis and have 3 guys running around in suits with fake IDs (and a felony charge for impersonating a Fed)?
However, depends on what they "Borrowed"....the value of em.
Why go to that much trouble to get $75.00 worth of stuffis and have 3 guys running around in suits with fake IDs (and a felony charge for impersonating a Fed)?
I have enjoyed reading this thread and all of the theories!
Like OP I love true crime, so I cannot wait to learn if there will be an update!
(I love true crime so much that I actually own a true crime forum LOLOL)
Like OP I love true crime, so I cannot wait to learn if there will be an update!
(I love true crime so much that I actually own a true crime forum LOLOL)
@attypops: It takes all kinds.....
Perhaps the owner could have called FBI headquarters (or the police) and questioned their visit. It could have been done on the QT and they would have known right then and there if it was legit or not. Just sayin'.
Perhaps the owner could have called FBI headquarters (or the police) and questioned their visit. It could have been done on the QT and they would have known right then and there if it was legit or not. Just sayin'.
As a tax-paying, private and law abiding, citizen I still have too many concerns about this to even get into in staying OT but I sure want to know the outcome.
BINGO. What strikes me as most odd is - if this transaction is part of an ongoing investigation - why not just purchase the equipment without drawing attention to it ? Gotta think someone involved in something illegal touching upon ecigs might have access to this forum (150+ posts on this issue right now and counting). In any event, no telling what situation the business owner might have been in for if he asked for a warrant or made the transaction otherwise very difficult.
It was the Dayton bomb squad. They still have the equipment. They didn't need a warrant because the owners are fully cooperating. The info will be given to the rest of the country, and eventually the TSA. I will keep everyone updated.
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Ok, now that makes a bit more sense........Just for "giggles", can you post what exactly they "borrowed"?
Some twists, some spinners, a natural, and a k-101.
EDIT: and a SID.
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I hope they paid for everything they left with or it's called shoplifting and if over $599 I believe that is Grand Theft...have to look that one up. Prolly could settle out of court with them....
Better call Saul, Saul Goodman. He will know what to do.
Better call Saul, Saul Goodman. He will know what to do.
Ok so it wasn't the FBI after all! Could a saved 45 mins. reading if you had just said that in the first place.
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