So the FDA wants to regulate ecigs...

[ambition]

Just want to put this out there for discussion. I want to get a feel for the situations we're likely to face.

If the FDA want to regulate nicotine and ecigs, at the end of the day they'll continue to create legislation until it happens. We can fight and delay this as much as we can but there's still the possibility that we'll eventually lose.

if this happens, what exactly will the ecig market landscape look like?

Here in Australia, as with other parts of the world, nicotine is not available for purchase unless you import it, and even then you are restricted in quantity. It's actually not much of a problem really.

juice vendors don't sell nicotine in their juices, instead they offer double flavored juice that you dilute with nicotine and pg to get the desired end product. There's not much the FDA could do about that, surely.

Even if the products aren't marketed as smoking cessation devices or as a viable alternative to smoking, or whatever the FDA doesn't want us to say...would it matter? And how?

If ecigs were all of a sudden banned and called nicotine delivery devices, couldn't we just call it simulated smoking or something like that?

Please note that I'm not looking for discussion about our freedoms, liberties and right be be open and proud of vaping because quite clearly we're not as free as we'd like to believe.

I'm also assuming here that devices and nicotine would not be banned completely from importation.

What are your thoughts on the possible changes to the market?
Thankyou...discuss

 

[Erncig]

Hopefully they just want to standardize the market and impose quality controls, prob restrict sales to 18 years and older and not much else.

 

[SilentScreams]

There are dozens of threads on this topic already. It's been discussed repeatedly. We wont know anything till April. And even then it will take time to implement anything they do. So nothing to worry about for awhile.

Write you local congressmen, representatives, and other state officials and let them know what you think. That's where the real power lies.

 

[Erncig]

Write you local congressmen, representatives, and other state officials and let them know what you think. That's where the real power lies.

If you can write to one that isnt corrupt, a rare breed now days.

 

[Tanti]

We have no Idea what is going to happen, other than in april the FDA will come down with some kind of laws, there will be a period of time for people to submit how they feel about what they are asking for, then they will look over what has been submitted, then they well come down with a final determination of laws. This really could take some time from what ive read.

The gears grind slowly in Washington. CASAA will call to action when its need for us to submit to the FDA what we think.

 

[ambition]

Thanks erncig, that's what I am hoping if the FDA win their bid.

The ecig market is enjoying a free run at the moment which I do like very much, but will regulation bring some positives to the market such as forcing vendors to quality control their product the same as some highly reputable vendors already do?

I guess what I was getting at is will FDA intervention/interference be all that bad?

As long as they don't ban ecigs or tax them up the wazoo, or hand them off to BT or BP on a silver platter then what's the problem?

Enlighten me please.

Oh, and I don't have a local congressman. Not that i would trust one anyway. I'm in Australia. I buy a my stuff from USA or china.

 

[Erncig]

I guess what I was getting at is will FDA intervention/interference be all that bad?

As long as they don't ban ecigs or tax them up the wazoo, or hand them off to BT or BP on a silver platter then what's the problem?

Enlighten me please.

Oh, and I don't have a local congressman. Not that i would trust one anyway. I'm in Australia. I buy a my stuff from USA or china.

Im from Australia too

I think regulation could be a good thing if they have good intentions. However knowing what they are really like I think most people are exactly worried about banning/taxing etc.

Personally I think big tobbacco will strangehold the market, standardise parts, prob only allow disposables or sell packs of carts down the road, perhaps ban online sales of eliquid because the real money is in the liquid/carts/disposables, not the actual rechargeable devices.

 

[73ckn797]

Write you local congressmen, representatives, and other state officials and let them know what you think. That's where the real power lies.

It is worth the effort even if they don't sway to your opinion. At least you can say you tried.

 

[D4rk50ul]

If only one thing I know for sure about the FDA is that they could care less about health and well being, it's all about the $$$. What they impose will generate a lot of money one way or another and we will be flipping the bill.

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[73ckn797]

Does anyone think that Lorillard, BT, owning BluCig will have any influence? There could be a down side but then again maybe not. I am just curious.

 

[Abe_Katz]

In all honesty, I think that the FDA attempting regulations stronger than perhaps tv and radio ad restrictions, maybe a couple warning labels and a restriction to adults only and juice purity regulations, will be rejected as over reach. The FDA has absolutely no power to tax (that is Congress and the States).

As it stands I think the primary regulations will be those which responsible vendors already have. I say this because of two reasons. Most BT companies are sitting on the fence about e-cigs. But if they remain legal they will jump on the bandwagon or go the way of the buggy whip eventually. And Lorillard is not about to let Blu die. I know it is making them a profit or they would have already dumped it.

As far as a ban goes I don't think it would work. Someone knows how to get the nicotine out of the tobacco (which is why we have pg/vg base liquid), and VG and PG can be easily obtained and people will figure out how to make their own attys and banning batteries is impossible.

As far as taxation goes that would be a huge debate. How exactly would one tax eliquid? By volume (that is by the mL) or by nicotine content (that is by the mg/mL). With traditional tobacco that is easier. Cigs are taxed by the pack and other forms by weight.

 

[Cool_Breeze]

The ecig market is enjoying a free run at the moment which I do like very much, but will regulation bring some positives to the market such as forcing vendors to quality control their product the same as some highly reputable vendors already do?

The organization that some producers of eliquid have formed does not control the product as much as it does the process of creating eliquids. It is costly and raises the cost of eliquids as well as limiting the field of producers through relatively high startup costs.

Among the goals announced by the 'voluntary' cartel is that of getting their standards made into law which would apply to all (US) eliquids. I think I'd rather see testing of the products by an independent agency.

 

[wootze]

And in the worst case we could, you know, vape tobacco. Finely ground in an 'herbal vaporizer' it is extremely satisfying.
Temps regulated below combustion, organic tobacco...beats the hell out of smoking.

 

[budynbuick]

It is worth the effort even if they don't sway to your opinion. At least you can say you tried.

I've tried for 30yr with the sme result..........they do what they will. You know what they say about doing the same thing over&over expecting different results? Insane in the membrane.

 

[ambition]

Thanks everybody, it's good to understand different viewpoints. To be honest, FDA regulation would have very little *immediate* impact for Aussies.

That said, the pessimist in me already knows what the FDA will eventually do, and that affects us all down the road.

In a few months i'll be able to fill you all in on why I'm asking, but until then keep on fighting the good fight people.