So vaping may hurt you...

[Alexi5]

Hey guys,

As I recently had many discussions whether or not vaping is harmful for you I decided to check it on my own and suprisingly this is what I found:
m.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/ecigarettes-can-damage-your-lungs-study/article3862738.ece/]E-cigarettes can damage your lungs: study - The Hindu - The Hindu: Mobile Edition

Let me know your opinions on this please

Peace!

 

[KerryK]

This is a news article, where can I find the actual study?

 

[Alexi5]

I don't know mate but this study is headlines in many other news websites like uk mail etc

 

[Lundyb]

The survey wasn't big enough to to be respectable, it mentions that they aren't definitely safeR than cigarettes, but this is impossible. Even if e-cigarettes were bad for you, to say that they aren't any safer than cigarettes is a ridiculous claim, there is no combustion, you are 100% definitely not gathering tar on your lungs, this means they ARE safer. If there was any doubt that they could be seriously damaging they wouldn't still be legal, there is no immediate risk and I'm no doctor, but isn't increased airway resistance just what people with asthma live with every day? As far as I'm aware even if the resistance in your airways rise, and your heartbeat differs on nicotine, so? This doesn't cause death or long term illness, it's just bold claims for scare tactics.

 

[l0stm4n]

from what i gather, the harmful immediate effect of the ecig is that it creates "an immediate rise in airway resistance"
and there is no mention of this being a long term or lasting for a period exceeding 24hrs.

obviously im no expert but i think this "resistance" is just the normal irritation of the throat/airways caused by the nicotine (the throat hit), which should be just about the same if not less irritant(probably depending on nic content of juice) than the irritation caused by a regular cigarette or whatever else anyone has ever decided to light aflame and inhale.
also, the study had some asthmatic participants, and we know that regular cigarette smoke can cause complications ranging from the minor to severe, yet there is mention of "on asthma patients the use of one e-cigarette seemed to have no immediate effect to airway resistance."

i figure that if the increase in airway resistance does not exceed 24 hrs and there is a lack of complications on asthma patients then it is quite much safer than regular cigarettes.

what should really be put under fire should be juice, chemical make ups and all that. if our juices are definetly pure pg, or vg and nic then we should not have any or many major problems to worry about.

 

[KerryK]

I don't know mate but this study is headlines in many other news websites like uk mail etc

Well then you should be able to provide several links eh?

 

[Alexi5]

Hey guys, it's good to hear your opinions and I have to say that I feel a relief now. I just wanted to show you the study so we can discuss it together. GJ though great reaponse from all of you

 

[Alexi5]

Well then you should be able to provide several links eh?

Check them out
https://www.google.com/search?q=do+...r+lungs&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

 

[KerryK]

What study????????????????

 

[KerryK]

All those links are the same news article.....forget it....

 

[dangkhoa02106]

The heat will damage the lining of the lungs. If using silica wick, silica wick small broken pieces can cause irritation, causing cough. PG and VG is the water absorption, swallowing them into the lungs so your lungs is not good for all. Electronic cigarettes help us to quit smoking, the damage that it causes is too small if we stopped smoking. If we abuse them, of course, the electronic cigarette is harmful, though it is less harmful than cigarette.

 

[Alexi5]

All those links are the same news article.....forget it....

I told you I don't have the website of the study... I just posted something that worried me so other people can discuss it, don't get agressive...

 

[KerryK]

No aggression intended friend..

 

[ScottP]

So where was the control group that measured the affects of smoking real cigarettes on airway resistance? If it is the same or close to the same, then I still do not see any issue. So what if ONE of the effects are the same but we get rid of all the rest of the smoking effects?

 

[HK-47]

Commentary: They didn't link the study with the 'proof' and the numbers to back up this claim. Anyone can make a claim backed up by 'a study.' Witness:

A recent study indicates that e-cigarettes not only are safer chemically than cigarettes, but that they actually improve lung function and restore capacity over time as lungs heal. The use of menthol in electronic cigarette juice solutions was also conclusively proven to open up airways in the lungs and nasal sinus passages resulting in greater breathing capability. This was noticeably pronounced if there was congestion present in the sinuses at the time of use. This effect deems further study in regards to the use and safety of e-cigarettes, and other possible medical applications for vaporization and the benefits that personal vaporizers could offer with zero nicotine solutions to those who suffer from sinus issues or persistent congestion.

This claim is valid, as it's my own personal experience. However, if I can't post facts and figures and scientific data to back my claim up it is ANECDOTAL. And should be taken with a grain of salt. "Increased air resistance" is a pretty broad term too, we have specific names for many conditions affecting the body for good reason. I'm calling this a load of BS until I see some FACTS that show this. It goes counter to my own experience and that of many many many other people's experience using e-cigs.

There is a large amount of anecdotal evidence on this forum that the usage of ecigs has resulted in much improved breathing function and even in some cases a near complete removal of COPD issues over time.

Again I stress, 'increased air resistance' is a very vague term and without being able to look at the study to see if it was even done scientifically I'm not going to trust it. Just to put it in perspective, you get increased air resistance when you get socked in the gut too. Or when you go for a run. Or when you're power-squeezing on the toilet. Facts or ...., basically.

 

[mare ze dotes]

There is a large amount of anecdotal evidence on this forum that the usage of ecigs has resulted in much improved breathing function and even in some cases a near complete removal of COPD issues over time.

I am not one with huge debatable opinions, but I do agree with this. Add me to the list.

 

[Buckshot]

On another note.....OP, have you seen this yet?
CDC Online Newsroom - Press Release - About one in five U.S. adult cigarette smokers have tried an electronic cigarette

Its all about $$$, period! There is a 90 cent tax per pack increase in MD coming up very shortly. If you don't think that has anything to do with the decrease of smoking and increase in vapeing, think again. Big tobacco sees it as a threat.

 

[Iron Molly]

Here's some ACTUAL research:

Clinical Research: Electronic Cigarettes

Without data, it's just another opinion.

 

[Jimi D.]

Here's my study after nearly 3 years of vaping: I CAN BREATHE AGAIN !!!

 

[jhiga]

The use of menthol in electronic cigarette juice solutions was also conclusively proven to open up airways in the lungs and nasal sinus passages resulting in greater breathing capability. This was noticeably pronounced if there was congestion present in the sinuses at the time of use.

Here's an anecdote; the one time I've had cold symptoms since I started vaping (granted, I stayed up for 4 days prior, that probably was to blame), I loaded a tank up with the strongest menthol liquid I had and took some fat rips, exhaling out of my nose. Kept me sniffle-free all day.

Again I stress, 'increased air resistance' is a very vague term and without being able to look at the study to see if it was even done scientifically I'm not going to trust it. Just to put it in perspective, you get increased air resistance when you get socked in the gut too. Or when you go for a run. Or when you're power-squeezing on the toilet. Facts or ...., basically.

Holy sh...
I ate too much at a fancy dinner earlier this evening, and the power squeezing definitely increased my airway resistance.
The bodies doing these studies really need to put things into perspective...doesn't inhaling cigarette smoke increase airway resistance? We should ask, as a community, if inhaling cigarette smoke increases airway resistance, and how much (relatively, of course) more does cigarette smoke increase airway resistance vs the electronic cigarette vapor? It wouldn't really be an exact measurement, as things like that are hard to quantify.

Frankly, I'm kind of tired of seeing how, 'electronic cigarette vapor contains trace amounts of toxins,' when there isn't any comparison to cigarette smoke.
I did, however, see an article from CASAA (I think?) citing the amount of toxins detected in cigarette smoke vs the amount in our vapor, and it made the whole argument seem silly.
For that matter, how many 'toxins' are in the air along the freeway?