So...We Never liked it all along!?

[mcclintock]

When I go in a vape shop, the only bottles I can actually tell what they are from 5-6 feet away behind the counter are bright and vividly labelled. A picture filling the full screen is a misleading depiction of the environment these excel the most in.

That said I must point out:
tobacco FLAVORS ARE THE BEST!!

and constant complaining about how tobacco flavors are awful only shows ignorance or that your shop has a very limited selection.

 

[bombastinator]

When I go in a vape shop, the only bottles I can actually tell what they are from 5-6 feet away behind the counter are bright and vividly labelled. A picture filling the full screen is a misleading depiction of the environment these excel the most in.

That said I must point out:
TOBACCO FLAVORS ARE THE BEST!!

and constant complaining about how tobacco flavors are awful only shows ignorance or that your shop has a very limited selection.

I have found personally that they used to be a lot better than they are now. Something seems to have happened to tobacco flavors a few years back. They changed color and got a lot lighter in color while getting a lot more expensive for one, and for me at least they also seem to have changed flavor.

 

[DaveP]

I vaped flavors for several years, looking for THE ONE! I never found many that really popped, vendor or DIY, despite having a large parts box the size of a briefcase full of flavors. I still have all the flavor bottles (close to 100), but I've been vaping mostly unflavored juice at 3mg nic for years.

I just found that I liked flavors, but really didn't need flavors to enjoy my vape. i guess it was more about taking in nic. After a while I enjoyed it even without inhaling. The less vapor that enters deeply into the lungs the better. It's all about absorbing the nic, and that happens in the mouth, even without the vapor entering the lungs.

I'll vape forever, I guess. I just like the hand to mouth habit and blowing small MTL clouds. Smoking was a stress reliever for me. After working on laser printing equipment in computer rooms and print shops I always enjoyed going outside for a break and smoking. Once smoking wasn't cool anymore in businesses, going outside was a 10 minute break once or twice an hour.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I have a six-year-old daughter and a 13-month-old son.

My daughter knows exactly what e-liquid is, why she shouldn't touch it, and what to expect from Daddy if she does. See, I'm a parent and I parent. I taught her at an early age that packaging does not always speak to the contents. When in doubt, she asks. For instance, when she sees air freshener spray in a can with pretty colors and a nice smell, she knows that it's not for her to spray in her mouth, her eyes, or anywhere near her face. When she wants to use it, I taught her how to understand the nozzle and how to point and aim away from herself. She obeys. She can get one "spray." And only after asking Daddy.

My 13-month-old, on the other hand, finds the oven and dishwasher the most appealing. The handles are at the perfect height for him to stand and grab while trying to pull himself up. Interestingly, neither of them have "child-safety locks." One day, he managed to pull the dishwasher door open---while it was on. I got to him fast enough that he wasn't harmed. Although, the scalding water was shooting and splashing around wildly. Close call!

At some point, people will have to realize that we live in a world full of things that are appealing to children. Luckily, children don't have to navigate the terrain by themselves. As long as parents actually parent, a child might even be able to walk to school without picking and eating poisonous berries off of bushes. Even though they have pretty colors and look similar to something they would eat, children can actually be taught the difference.

 

[bombastinator]

I have a six-year-old daughter and a 13-month-old.

My daughter knows exactly what e-liquid is, why she shouldn't touch it, and what to expect from Daddy if she does. See, I'm a parent and I parent. I taught her at an early age that packaging does not always speak to the contents. When in doubt, she asks. For instance, when she sees air freshener spray in a can with pretty colors and a nice smell, she knows that it's not for her to spray in her mouth, her eyes, or anywhere near her face. When she wants to use it, I taught her how to understand the nozzle and how to point and aim away from herself. She obeys. She can get one "spray." And only after asking Daddy.

My 13-month-old, on the other hand, finds the oven and dishwasher the most appealing. The handles are at the perfect height for him to stand and grab while trying to pull himself up. Interestingly, neither of them have "parental locks." One day, he managed to pull the dishwasher door open---while it was on. I got to him fast enough that he wasn't harmed. Although, the scalding water was shooting and splashing around wildly. Close call!

At some point, people will have to realize that we live in a world full of things that are appealing to children. Luckily, children don't have to navigate the terrain by themselves. As long as parents actually parent, a child might even be able to walk to school without picking poisonous berries off of bushes. Even though they have pretty colors and look similar to something they would eat, children can actually be taught the difference.

I do remember trying to eat scented candles as a small child and being terribly disappointed that they didn’t taste good.

 

[Letitia]

I seldom eat fruity candy but love to vape it, luckily I don't have to tailor my vape to anyone but myself.

 

[stols001]

Oh if I had believed all the crap people have said about me over the years, I would have offed myself before I was even BORN.

Luckily I am a very healthy vaper kinda at the moment. Mostly fruits. And, if some of those fruits have alcohol in them well fruits FERMENT.

It's why alcoholics have an evolutional advantage, we could eat moldy fermented things without ralphing. It's not MY fault the fruits are fermenting.

The brandy and ginger ale, well that was recreating a beloved childhood experience (mixing my parents drinks after work and taking a sip from each) and I see nothing WONG with that because I wasn't even a little drunk. I was not aware it was possible. I just knew I liked the stuff.

LOL though, no sorry I'm not buying it.

Anna

 

[Brian Taulbee]

When i was 2, i drank some colox that my great grandmother had in a glass under her sink. It wasnt in the jug, why, ill never know, but apparently i thought it was water. Thankfully the only memory of this was being told at a later age that i did and was rushed to the hospital vomiting blood.

 

[bombastinator]

When i was 2, i drank some colox that my great grandmother had in a glass under her sink. It wasnt in the jug, why, ill never know, but apparently i thought it was water. Thankfully the only memory of this was being told at a later age that i did and was rushed to the hospital vomiting blood.

The famous ones I don’t remember were eating my grandfathers heart medication and playing with his service revolver. (WW1! Before m1911s were fully issued out)

 

[fourmedallions]

This argument about flavor loses all logic when you walk into ANY liquor store. If we are going to ban watermelon e-juice because it might attract a kid, why don't we go ahead and ban watermelon shots?

People would scream bloody murder about removing anything that had flavoring, including and especially mixed drinks even though it is proven that alcohol is highly addicting and can cause fatal illnesses including pancreatitis, cirrhosis of the liver and, oh yeah, deadly car accidents.

Smoking is horrible and deadly. Why on earth is it okay to force people to go back to that habit and completely destroy people's livelihoods in the process? I am in this mad scramble to get enough vape to last me for a long time, but I am also thinking a whole lot about all of the people who are going to be wiped out by this financially. That makes me really angry. This has nothing to do with flavor and everything to do with big tobacco lunging at an industry that has had it on the rails for a long time. Big tobacco wants to get its slaves back. That is what this is about.

 

[bombastinator]

This argument about flavor loses all logic when you walk into ANY liquor store. If we are going to ban watermelon e-juice because it might attract a kid, why don't we go ahead and ban watermelon shots?

People would scream bloody murder about removing anything that had flavoring, including and especially mixed drinks even though it is proven that alcohol is highly addicting and can cause fatal illnesses including pancreatitis, cirrhosis of the liver and, oh yeah, deadly car accidents.

Smoking is horrible and deadly. Why on earth is it okay to force people to go back to that habit and completely destroy people's livelihoods in the process? I am in this mad scramble to get enough vape to last me for a long time, but I am also thinking a whole lot about all of the people who are going to be wiped out by this financially. That makes me really angry. This has nothing to do with flavor and everything to do with big tobacco lunging at an industry that has had it on the rails for a long time. Big tobacco wants to get its slaves back. That is what this is about.

It does and it doesn’t. You’re forgetting that kids aren’t allowed in liquor stores. The assumption being made is that kids cannot be kept away from cigarettes in the same way that kids are kept away from liquor. This is true IF you are a gas station, but NOT TRUE if you are a vape shop. The gross stupidity is the solution they have come to is “well then kill all the vape shops so we can be right” which is asinine in the extreme, but is what seems to be happening.

 

[fourmedallions]

It does and it doesn’t. You’re forgetting that kids aren’t allowed in liquor stores. The assumption being made is that kids cannot be kept away from cigarettes in the same way that kids are kept away from liquor. This is true IF you are a gas station, but NOT TRUE if you are a vape shop. The gross stupidity is the solution they have come to is “well then kill all the vape shops so we can be right” which is asinine in the extreme, but is what seems to be happening.

I must be old. I remember a time when kids were allowed in liquor stores and bars and sometimes even helped out behind the counter. I also remember the ashtray in my pediatrician's waiting room and I remember cigarette machines and all the free handouts on the street corners.

They did not ban flavors from alcohol and they did not ban cigarettes, but they are banning vape.

 

[bombastinator]

I must be old. I remember a time when kids were allowed in liquor stores and bars and sometimes even helped out behind the counter. I also remember the ashtray in my pediatrician's waiting room and I remember cigarette machines and all the free handouts on the street corners.

They did not ban flavors from alcohol and they did not ban cigarettes, but they are banning vape.

You’re forgetting refined sugar and caffeine. There are religious groups that have banned all of them long ago. they tried to ban alcohol nationally. It worked poorly. It’s a major reason they haven’t just banned cigarettes. All of those vices are very old though. Long since ensconced in the culture. Vaping is still pretty new.

my suspicion is e-cigarettes cannot survive as a “new vice”. They will be murdered.
their only contribution is as a cessation device. Look what happened when JUUL came out with the concept that it would be a new but harmless vice. It’s when literally all (except the BT stuff) the trouble started.

 

[Mr.Mann]

[snip] This is true IF you are a gas station, but NOT TRUE if you are a vape shop. [snip]

 

[fourmedallions]

my suspicion is e-cigarettes cannot survive as a “new vice”.

Because big tobacco wants its slaves back. I really do not believe that this is about flavors or even really about kids. This is about a giant industry pushing back against a MAJOR threat because FLAVORED vape works.

I brought one cigarette with me today when I went out - just in case my battery died. It didn't. I had forgotten all about it until I went to clean my purse and found the forlorn little stinky squashed on the bottom. Tomorrow morning, the number of options I have will increase by three - and how many cigarettes am I going to have in my purse when that happens? Not-a-one. How long did it take for that to happen? Less than a week.

I vaped from 2009-2013 and I had the same experience the first time I started vaping. Gum didn't do that, patches didn't do that, lozenges and pills didn't do that and inhalers didn't do that - and guess what? Some of those cessation methods also are flavored.

I think people need to bite back. I've even thought of organizing vape-ins, in part because I feel like the ex-smoker in me is used to feeling marginalized and I want to kick back against that. I am not a smoker anymore and the thing I have in my hand doesn't even remotely resemble a cigarette and I believe I have every right to enjoy it, and the people who put their hearts and souls into developing and creating our devices and providing clearinghouses for the procurement of our juices, and those who poured everything into creating the local vape shops also have a right to continue with their livelihoods.

 

[bombastinator]

Because big tobacco wants its slaves back. I really do not believe that this is about flavors or even really about kids. This is about a giant industry pushing back against a MAJOR threat because FLAVORED vape works.

I brought one cigarette with me today when I went out - just in case my battery died. It didn't. I had forgotten all about it until I went to clean my purse and found the forlorn little stinky squashed on the bottom. Tomorrow morning, the number of options I have will increase by three - and how many cigarettes am I going to have in my purse when that happens? Not-a-one. How long did it take for that to happen? Less than a week.

I vaped from 2009-2013 and I had the same experience the first time I started vaping. Gum didn't do that, patches didn't do that, lozenges and pills didn't do that and inhalers didn't do that - and guess what? Some of those cessation methods also are flavored.

I think people need to bite back. I've even thought of organizing vape-ins, in part because I feel like the ex-smoker in me is used to feeling marginalized and I want to kick back against that. I am not a smoker anymore and the thing I have in my hand doesn't even remotely resemble a cigarette and I believe I have every right to enjoy it, and the people who put their hearts and souls into developing and creating our devices and providing clearinghouses for the procurement of our juices, and those who poured everything into creating the local vape shops also have a right to continue with their livelihoods.

I think it’s provably not about kids because if it actually was it would have been done in a nearly opposite way. It actually does more or less the opposite of helping the kids being hurt.

it’s an attempt to warp the whole kids thing into a plan designed to help BT. Whether it hurts or helps the kids is irrelevant to the perpetrators. Kids aren’t the reason, they’re the excuse.

the evidence of this is already slowly emerging, and there’s very likely to be an “oh oops” moment long after the damage has been done.

 

[Letitia]

You’re forgetting refined sugar and caffeine. There are religious groups that have banned all of them long ago. they tried to ban alcohol nationally. It worked poorly. It’s a major reason they haven’t just banned cigarettes. All of those vices are very old though. Long since ensconced in the culture. Vaping is still pretty new.

my suspicion is e-cigarettes cannot survive as a “new vice”. They will be murdered.
their only contribution is as a cessation device. Look what happened when JUUL came out with the concept that it would be a new but harmless vice. It’s when literally all (except the BT stuff) the trouble started.

Vaping was on the hit list long before JUUL entered the market. JUUL just provided a convenient scapegoat by marketing to young adults.

 

[bombastinator]

Vaping was on the hit list long before JUUL entered the market. JUUL just provided a convenient scapegoat by marketing to young adults.

BT was after it, yes, but there weren’t government entities and others after it as well. Sure it’s a scapegoat, but a very useful one. It was primarily an older persons former smokers product.

 

[fourmedallions]

I think it’s provably not about kids because if it actually was it would have been done in a nearly opposite way. It actually does more or less the opposite of helping the kids being hurt.

it’s an attempt to warp the whole kids thing into a plan designed to help BT. Whether it hurts or helps the kids is irrelevant to the perpetrators. Kids aren’t the reason, they’re the excuse.

the evidence of this is already slowly emerging, and there’s very likely to be an “oh oops” moment long after the damage has been done.

I couldn't agree with you more and I will add that I can't remember ANY movement as terrifying to any corporation, but especially big tobacco, as this one. They can't control us. They can't attract us with their substandard products. They are losing people to us every single day and they are not really attracting new and young smokers to replace the ones they kill. The only option they have is to try and destroy and then take over what is left of the vaping market after all the dust has settled and that is what they are doing right now.

 

[DeloresRose]

It does and it doesn’t. You’re forgetting that kids aren’t allowed in liquor stores. The assumption being made is that kids cannot be kept away from cigarettes in the same way that kids are kept away from liquor. This is true IF you are a gas station, but NOT TRUE if you are a vape shop. The gross stupidity is the solution they have come to is “well then kill all the vape shops so we can be right” which is asinine in the extreme, but is what seems to be happening.

Except that you can buy alcohol elsewhere, where kids are allowed and welcome.

Walmart is a prime example. They don’t sell the good stuff, but they do sell beer, wine, and low % alcohol. And guns. And cigarettes. But no e cigs now.


They kept the e-cigs behind the counter with the cigarettes, and checked ID. If that’s not enough safeguard for a Juul, how can it be safe enough for booze or smokes?