So why is it?.....

[SissySpike]

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This reminds me of the stories about people killing themselves after being constantly bullied in online forums, the problem isn't the bullies, the problem is the person was too stupid to close the page and walk away, why would you keep going back for more if you can't deal with it?


There was a girl, lady whatever here, maybe a few weeks old and quit,, saw her in another forum ranting up a storm about how she was asking about eliquid, and was ...... people kept bringing up that maybe she should try DIY, and that's the whole reason she now hates ecf..


If you don't like the rules, and want to write cuss word filled posts all day then ECF isn't for you, and many other forums are quite proud they allow Wang pictures. But there's several other vape forums with almost the same rules and you don't find any ECF quitters on them either.

Think ecf gets strict? Go be an a## on POTV and watch how fast the ban hammer comes out

Yea while tragic Id say that person has alot of real life issues. I guess the atmosphere here is not for everyone, I think ECF is very reasonable they dont just kick people out for no reason they have rules clearly posted also in my experience mod's tend to look at the content of an infraction to decide weather you get a warning or get spanked.

The people Ive seen get the boot were flat out starting trouble and Im sure were warned first.

 

[DC2]

IF you really think a few kids souping up their mods and blowing some clouds is the cause and solution to all of our troubles you are kidding your self.

It's not the cause, but it sure is feeding the cause really well.
The cause is starting to get a little fat, and could stand to lose some weight.

EDIT: And it's not a "few" kids, it's lots and lots of them
EDIT: Well, depending on where you live I guess

 

[DC2]

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[AndriaD]

It's not the cause, but it sure is feeding the cause really well.
The cause is starting to get a little fat, and could stand to lose some weight.

EDIT: And it's not a "few" kids, it's lots and lots of them
EDIT: Well, depending on where you live I guess

I think it must be. Granted, I don't have much opportunity to see or be around a lot of "kids," of any age, but it's not something I've seen all over the place. In fact, trying as hard as I can to recall... but I really don't recall ever seeing a person vaping that I thought looked too young. Most I've seen, in vape shops or out in the wild, looked to be as big an old fart as I am. And a few that were maybe 30ish, here and there... but no kids.

Andria

 

[SissySpike]

It's not the cause, but it sure is feeding the cause really well.
The cause is starting to get a little fat, and could stand to lose some weight.

EDIT: And it's not a "few" kids, it's lots and lots of them
EDIT: Well, depending on where you live I guess

I think those that are against vaping ANTZ and greedy legislators trying to get yet another Tax revenue would be at us cloud chasers or not and for sure where you live is not what the rest of the country looks like the norm for most vapors is a ego and a cheap tank

I just left the Bay area and now Im in NC I went from vape propaganda commercials to a news clip I saw here saying vaping is used buy 37% of high school children. The clip went on to say smoking was down due to aggressive government intervention but do to lack of regulation the tobacco industry is getting kids to start vaping.

Make no mistake about it large sums of money are at play here Tobacco and the money it generates has never been threatened they are not really getting much of a threat at this point but they are doing everything they can to make sure they do not ever feel the threat either

 

[DC2]

I think it must be. Granted, I don't have much opportunity to see or be around a lot of "kids," of any age, but it's not something I've seen all over the place. In fact, trying as hard as I can to recall... but I really don't recall ever seeing a person vaping that I thought looked too young. Most I've seen, in vape shops or out in the wild, looked to be as big an old fart as I am. And a few that were maybe 30ish, here and there... but no kids.

Andria

Trust me, in Southern California you would understand.

 

[SissySpike]

I think it must be. Granted, I don't have much opportunity to see or be around a lot of "kids," of any age, but it's not something I've seen all over the place. In fact, trying as hard as I can to recall... but I really don't recall ever seeing a person vaping that I thought looked too young. Most I've seen, in vape shops or out in the wild, looked to be as big an old fart as I am. And a few that were maybe 30ish, here and there... but no kids.

Andria

Yes Im suer some children are vaping but its not buy any stretch of the imagination the target market and its such a small percent IMO all the talk of minors vaping is just a tacit used by some to get public favor. When I say kids I am referring to young men and women in their late teens and early 20s

 

[jseah]

I think those that are against vaping ANTZ and greedy legislators trying to get yet another Tax revenue would be at us cloud chasers or not and for sure where you live is not what the rest of the country looks like the norm for most vapors is a ego and a cheap tank

I just left the Bay area and now Im in NC I went from vape propaganda commercials to a news clip I saw here saying vaping is used buy 37% of high school children. The clip went on to say smoking was down due to aggressive government intervention but do to lack of regulation the tobacco industry is getting kids to start vaping.

Make no mistake about it large sums of money are at play here Tobacco and the money it generates has never been threatened they are not really getting much of a threat at this point but they are doing everything they can to make sure they do not ever feel the threat either

FWIW, I think the percentage of smoking teens will vary greatly geographically. When I lived in the SF Bay Area, with California being such a health conscious state, the number of smokers were fairly low amongst the young people. In the NY metro area, this is the case as well although the percentages of teens who smoke are higher among lower income minorities than affluent whites. But once you get into the 20's or so, it seems that a greater percentage are smokers. I live in a fairly rural suburb of the NY metro area, and the percentage of teens who smoke are a bit higher, but those are the same teens who tend to get into illegal stuff as well. In my son's high school, the percentage of students who smoke are nowhere near the 37 percent that your news clip states. Of course it might be a bit harder to tell since the school does not allow any smoking on school grounds, so you wouldn't necessarily know unless you were following the kids outside of school. I do know that my son said that one kid he knows from school vapes.

 

[Rizzyking]

Vaping amongst teens is a difficult issue because ideally they wouldn't but as vapers we'd prefer they vaped then smoked so an issue that causes problems but not one that we really want to resolve as none of us want them going onto tobacco. In the UK a study by the government showed that whilst teens were vaping it was neither leading to an increase in tobacco smoking or leading to them vaping habitually but you had to look to find it as usual anything positive seems to get buried down deep in the media .

 

[runamok]

I had a 56 chevy w a 454 and dual hollies @ 19, I kept tearing it up cause I couldn't keep my foot out of the carbs. Then I had a 72 Datsun 510 wagon with a killer sound system, blew out alot of speakers. Now I drive a Suburban w a stock stereo and vape to stay off the cigs. Age does impart a little wisdom. And I love my Provari's with their whopping 15 watts that I don't ever run much higher the 8 watts( resistance x voltage). I even take my vape outdoors out of consideration for non/ex smokers. I had a co- worker join me outside lite up a cig and asked me about my vaper. I loaned him one of my starter kits and soon had a fellow convert. I even helped him decide on which set up to start with.

 

[dam718]

What upsets me about the teen vaping business, and politicians trying to use "flavored juiced being attractive to kids" as some kind of reason to drive taxes down our throats is --- prior to eCigs, what special flavor of disgusting cigarettes attracted kids to smoking?

I haven't seen anything to suggest that there are more kids using vape equipment than used cigarettes in the past. There may be more kids vaping now than picked up cigarettes, but the numbers as a whole (kids who start using "tobacco products") has remained fairly unchanged. The fact that they are getting their hands on vape gear is no surprise, they get their hands on cigarettes too, which has been illegal for them to purchase for YEARS. You think imposing age restrictions will stop them? Nope... You think making it taste nasty will stop them? Nope... Heck, do you think even strict prohibition will stop them? Nope... Look what prohibition did for alcohol in the United States... Worked wonders didn't it... LoL

We can tell kids till we're blue in the face not to smoke, drink, cuss, bully, fornicate, etc... Pretty sure I did all of those things long before the age at which it was considered appropriate or legal.

 

[runamok]

We can tell kids till we're blue in the face not to smoke, drink, cuss, bully, fornicate, etc... Pretty sure I did all of those things long before the age at which it was considered appropriate or legal.

Yep! except for the "bully"ing I was right there too. Wish I had listened to the smoking part, but kid's often have too learn the hard way.

 

[dam718]

Well, I was never a bully either... LoL, I guess that kind of insinuated that I was didn't it? Whoops...

 

[SissySpike]

FWIW, I think the percentage of smoking teens will vary greatly geographically. When I lived in the SF Bay Area, with California being such a health conscious state, the number of smokers were fairly low amongst the young people. In the NY metro area, this is the case as well although the percentages of teens who smoke are higher among lower income minorities than affluent whites. But once you get into the 20's or so, it seems that a greater percentage are smokers. I live in a fairly rural suburb of the NY metro area, and the percentage of teens who smoke are a bit higher, but those are the same teens who tend to get into illegal stuff as well. In my son's high school, the percentage of students who smoke are nowhere near the 37 percent that your news clip states. Of course it might be a bit harder to tell since the school does not allow any smoking on school grounds, so you wouldn't necessarily know unless you were following the kids outside of school. I do know that my son said that one kid he knows from school vapes.

The entire news clip is just more propaganda as far as Im concerned Im sure the numbers are inflated the news is not held to high standards of truth these days and most report exactly as their corporate sponsors instruct them to. How many news people are out digging up the truth? Very few its for the most part regurgitated garbage read from a teleprompter the reporte dose not care in the least if its true or accurate.

I had a 56 chevy w a 454 and dual hollies @ 19, I kept tearing it up cause I couldn't keep my foot out of the carbs. Then I had a 72 Datsun 510 wagon with a killer sound system, blew out alot of speakers. Now I drive a Suburban w a stock stereo and vape to stay off the cigs. Age does impart a little wisdom. And I love my Provari's with their whopping 15 watts that I don't ever run much higher the 8 watts( resistance x voltage). I even take my vape outdoors out of consideration for non/ex smokers. I had a co- worker join me outside lite up a cig and asked me about my vaper. I loaned him one of my starter kits and soon had a fellow convert. I even helped him decide on which set up to start with.

Exactly! Kids will be kids pushing the limits is what they were designed to do We should be encouraging them to do this stuff as safely as possible not looking down our noise at then as a select few do. I find it ironic that there are those who dont want to be discriminated or regulated and wish to be free to chose as they wish would do the exact same thing they fear the most to others. IMO the intolorent people are only driving a wedge in the vaping community and are only helping our opponents do as they wish.

What upsets me about the teen vaping business, and politicians trying to use "flavored juiced being attractive to kids" as some kind of reason to drive taxes down our throats is --- prior to eCigs, what special flavor of disgusting cigarettes attracted kids to smoking?

I haven't seen anything to suggest that there are more kids using vape equipment than used cigarettes in the past. There may be more kids vaping now than picked up cigarettes, but the numbers as a whole (kids who start using "tobacco products") has remained fairly unchanged. The fact that they are getting their hands on vape gear is no surprise, they get their hands on cigarettes too, which has been illegal for them to purchase for YEARS. You think imposing age restrictions will stop them? Nope... You think making it taste nasty will stop them? Nope... Heck, do you think even strict prohibition will stop them? Nope... Look what prohibition did for alcohol in the United States... Worked wonders didn't it... LoL

We can tell kids till we're blue in the face not to smoke, drink, cuss, bully, fornicate, etc... Pretty sure I did all of those things long before the age at which it was considered appropriate or legal.

Agreed and understood but in our society we feel a need to restrict young people from certain things in life while I agree its not all that affective and the best prevention is at home threw diligent parenting we will have to have age restrictions to apieze big brother it makes no difference that we have been pretty good about policing our selves the majority thinks there should be a law in place or its not right.
To me this goes back to taking responsibility for ones self and the community you live in. We let the legislators and police run the show then cry foul when they dont do it like we want.

 

[DomDoobie]

I agree with the lack of need for the super high wattage. My device is the Megatron 260. Can go up to 260 watts. When I first got it I just wanted to try 260 a few times. After that.....I vape my High Voltage tank at 40 watts and still get incredible clouds and flavor. I vape the RDA at 50 watts. I'm not one to bash anyone. I will give advice if needed in a constructive positive way. I talk to people the way I would want to be spoken to. If someone doesn't want the constructive advice it's on them. Doesn't bother me. I always wish everyone to be happy with what it is they are doing or want to do. I will say, in my opinion, if you've never smoked there's probably no reason to pick up vaping.

 

[SissySpike]

I agree with the lack of need for the super high wattage. My device is the Megatron 260. Can go up to 260 watts. When I first got it I just wanted to try 260 a few times. After that.....I vape my High Voltage tank at 40 watts and still get incredible clouds and flavor. I vape the RDA at 50 watts. I'm not one to bash anyone. I will give advice if needed in a constructive positive way. I talk to people the way I would want to be spoken to. If someone doesn't want the constructive advice it's on them. Doesn't bother me. I always wish everyone to be happy with what it is they are doing or want to do. I will say, in my opinion, if you've never smoked there's probably no reason to pick up vaping.

I think thats the case more times than not Its cool to have the option to run high wattage/Voltage but not all that practical.

I think people will pick up vaporizers just like we did cigarettes we try to down play that but if vaping becomes more popular than smoking one day yes its a cold hard truth some will find a nic addiction threw vaping.

So in that since the ANTZ are right now what Id like to see is just how bad is vaping for a person. In the long term. Some say its terrible filled with dissentious side affects others say its harmless I think some place in the middle. Our bodies were not meant to inhale nic laced vapor at a constant pace as we are doing so Im sure there will be some negative side affects if Im a practical thinker

So I guess we just have to wait 20 years to see who is right;-)

 

[dam718]

I think thats the case more times than not Its cool to have the option to run high wattage/Voltage but not all that practical.

I think people will pick up vaporizers just like we did cigarettes we try to down play that but if vaping becomes more popular than smoking one day yes its a cold hard truth some will find a nic addiction threw vaping.

So in that since the ANTZ are right now what Id like to see is just how bad is vaping for a person. In the long term. Some say its terrible filled with dissentious side affects others say its harmless I think some place in the middle. Our bodies were not meant to inhale nic laced vapor at a constant pace as we are doing so Im sure there will be some negative side affects if Im a practical thinker

So I guess we just have to wait 20 years to see who is right;-)

I will gladly volunteer my lungs to pro vaping doctors and scientists to study when I die... 20 year smoker turned vaper... Study the crap out of them and tell us the truth

 

[OGNDY]

So why is it that when someone posts a question in the new members or general vaping topics concerning any issue and they happen to mention that they are vaping at high wattages > ~75w the responses that they get are often times condescending and/or belittling of their choice to vape at such high wattages followed by recommendations that they don't do it instead of just addressing their question?
I understand about safety first but one of the things that I find fantastic about vaping is that we can find what works for us individually. We aren't pigeon holed into menthol or regular; filtered or non; lights or full flavored.
Why chastise someone for eating a well done steak just because you prefer medium rare?
jmho

/rant

sent from tapacrap

If you have to ask...

 

[SissySpike]

I will gladly volunteer my lungs to pro vaping doctors and scientists to study when I die... 20 year smoker turned vaper... Study the crap out of them and tell us the truth

Me to in fact I want them to cut me open and say good god! this guy should of been dead 5 years ago! Id hate for them to have a look inside and say hu go figure! There is no reason why this guy should be laying here. I plan on enjoying my time here and wearing my self out cause it sure ant gonna do me any good to be in perfect health when I die;-)

 

[Ryedan]

You really have to try to ignore the subtle nuances. It will make your blood pressure even out.

This ^^^ is very good advice and the ignore feature is very handy too . I don't use ignore on many people, but sometimes it has been a godsend.