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speaking of the manual passthrough...anyone know the mAh draw on them? I already had a 1000 ma adapter...and it's too weak to power it..

Oh and defiantgroundhog...yeah the excitement of vaping when you're new will kill the batteries faster..but you might want to consider trying a regular length battery just another 14 mm in length (117 mm total) but almost doubles the life you get out of your batteries..(the shorties have the same mAh rating as a 510's battery (180 mAh) which is most people's #1 complaint about that model, typical battery life lasts about an hour with heavy vaping)..the regular battery takes it up to 280 mAh while still staying under the total length of a 120 length cig (117 mm)..
 

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Good to know DaShiva!!!!
Don't have a PT... thought they looked stupid.. but now I'm thinking I'm going to get one.. some more batteries and a PCC...

Hehe...I got a buddy of mine at work to order the UU Kit. By that time I'd already discovered the wonder of the PT. When he got his stuff, I went with him at lunch when he picked it up. He opened the package, looked at the PT, and I said "dood, you gotta try out the passthru - it's the bomb-diggity". He scoffed a bit, said something like "smoking from your computer is dumb".

Not 2 days later, I find out that he moves his laptop around his apt so he can use the PT. He has since ordered an extra, for use at his desk at work. Trust me, if you spend any amount of time close to a computer, you'll quickly realize it's one of the best products V4L offers, and that's saying quite a bit ;-)
 

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Some adapters will list their peak capacity rather than their sustained capacity. That way they can say it's more powerful that it really is.

1000ma really is enough, if you get the right one.

Several have been recommended in this sub-forum, but I didn't bookmark any of them. A forum search should find them.

Right...I was just wondering what the PT draws..I just recently picked up a kensington portable power pack for dirt cheap (just waiting for it to show) which I know is rated output is 5V@1.5 A max ...I'm just hoping that it'll push the PT without it tripping...it'd be even more spectacular if it could push multiple PTs through hub connected to it but I doubt I'm gonna get that lucky if the 1A car adapter I already have won't power it..hence why I asked if anyone knows the exact mA needs of the PTs...
 

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< 815mA.

The mAh is either 0 or approaching infinity or anything in between, assuming the power to your house remains constant, no one shuts off any switches, and the power supply doesn't burn up.

A wall adapter will be measured in mA not in mAh. (mAh is millAmp/hour) or how many milliamps can be delivered under ideal condition to complete drain in one hour's time. Since the power is constant, you can't drain it to zero in 1hr no matter what)

A device's requirement is also measured in mA or A, not in Ah because a device has an instantaneous or sustained requirement.

A battery gets measured in the number of Ah it can deliver.

Anyway, the peak requirement is around 800mA, 400-600mA is average.
 

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< 815mA.

The mAh is either 0 or approaching infinity or anything in between, assuming the power to your house remains constant, no one shuts off any switches, and the power supply doesn't burn up.

A wall adapter will be measured in mA not in mAh. (mAh is millAmp/hour) or how many milliamps can be delivered under ideal condition to complete drain in one hour's time. Since the power is constant, you can't drain it to zero in 1hr no matter what)

A device's requirement is also measured in mA or A, not in Ah because a device has an instantaneous or sustained requirement.

A battery gets measured in the number of Ah it can deliver.

Anyway, the peak requirement is around 800mA, 400-600mA is average.
Wow before starting to play with PVs and PTs I swear I would have understood none of that...now it all pretty much makes sense..
Except why the 1000 mA car adapter I already had fails to power this manual PT..the indicator light on it dims or shuts off when the button is depressed...did I typo mAh somewhere where it should have been mA..
but according to your numbers ...even if the adapter (car) is rated at 1A peak, it should power this thing...maybe crap adapter or the fuse in it somehow blew (it was a cigarette lighter to USB port adapter from a portable game system that was repurposed to charge cell phones and then was trying to repurpose again to run a PT)...maybe it's just having identity issues now after being repurposed so much.
 

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I can't find it right now, but I bought one from Best Buy that has a circular LED on it, it glows green when things are charged and red when they are charging. Regardless of what it says, it's not rated for 1000ma continious! It's awsome for phones and MP3 players, but doesn't have the power to run the PT. I had to learn this the hard way myself!
 

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I can't find it right now, but I bought one from Best Buy that has a circular LED on it, it glows green when things are charged and red when they are charging. Regardless of what it says, it's not rated for 1000ma continious! It's awsome for phones and MP3 players, but doesn't have the power to run the PT. I had to learn this the hard way myself!
Was that the power bug or power jolt cant remember what it's called with the dual USB? I got that one too..
 

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Well, there are lots of things that can over-rate a power supply. For example, using a 5v regulator that peaks at 1A, but not heat sinking it. Sure, it could deliver 1A in a perfect heat-sinked-world, but in fact is going into thermal shutdown at 500mA, for example.

As a general engineering rule of thumb, you de-rate at least 50%. Then marketing gets a hold of it, someone leaks that there's really a larger regulator in it and BOOM! Suddenly it's over-rated.

If I build a device requiring 1A, I ship it with a 2-2.5A power supply. Another advantage to that is that the power supply isn't being driven hard, and will last substantially longer.

Cheap filter capacitors can also de-rate the supply. Wire that's too small. Traces that are too thin. The list goes on and on.

A lot of this stuff coming out of China starts off great, but when it comes time for them to deliver a million of them they shave the copper so thin that you end-up recalling all of them (ouch).

I've found that you have to take the order in small batches and sample repeatedly. Don't be afraid to have your dog hike his leg on it at the dock and kick it back over the rail again. Anyway, beside the point. Likely your 1A supply is 1A in a perfect world but probably goes into thermal shutdown at something around half of that. Your atomizer heats up, the resistance drops, and you peak out at 800mA and the thing shuts down... Without having it in my lab, that'd be my first guess.
 

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I just recently picked up a kensington portable power pack for dirt cheap (just waiting for it to show) which I know is rated output is 5V@1.5 A max ...I'm just hoping that it'll push the PT without it tripping...it'd be even more spectacular if it could push multiple PTs through hub connected to it but I doubt I'm gonna get that lucky if the 1A car adapter I already have won't power it..hence why I asked if anyone knows the exact mA needs of the PTs...

I have the Kensington power pack and it works great for 1 PT. I have doubts about it running multiples, unless they're only used one at a time.

When you're not actually using the PT (pushing the button or drawing on an auto), the drain is miniscule. Hit two at the same time and you need more than 1.5A.

Having said that, Kensington makes very well-designed equipment, in my experience. I would not be surprised to find out it would actually supply 2A for several seconds.
 

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I have the Kensington power pack and it works great for 1 PT. I have doubts about it running multiples, unless they're only used one at a time.

When you're not actually using the PT (pushing the button or drawing on an auto), the drain is miniscule. Hit two at the same time and you need more than 1.5A.

Having said that, Kensington makes very well-designed equipment, in my experience. I would not be surprised to find out it would actually supply 2A for several seconds.
Thats kinda what i was thinking...and was hoping to use it as a solution for a multi PT hookah I was making so it'd be portable..I mean I could always look for a powered USB hub but that'd teather me to an outlet.
 
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