Some guy told me.

[englishmick]

Man! That bar keeps getting pushed higher!

First it was "We don't know, until 10 years have passed, if there are any lasting affects". Well almost 10 years have gone by for some of our early vapers and no negative health consequences have been reported. More of the opposite, increase in health benefits is being reported.

Now someone is saying we need 30 years?!?!?! WTH? I'll bet when we start getting close to that 30 year mark, the bar will be raised again.

Yeah, who knows what the genetic consequences will be to the offspring of vapers, assuming vapers can even have children (I've heard some things). We need to wait at least a couple of generations before we can be really sure. And in the meantime we should stop people vaping just in case.

 

[Robino1]

Yeah, who knows what the genetic consequences will be to the offspring of vapers, assuming vapers can even have children (I've heard some things). We need to wait at least a couple of generations before we can be really sure. And in the meantime we should stop people vaping just in case.

O.M.G. Just had a thought when I think of how old our longest vapers are. Some will be dead in 30 years! They will blame their death on .........



Yep,



vaping.

In 30 years, I will be 84 If I live that long. 30 years from the time I started vaping would put me at 82.... God we are so screwed.

 

[Strings]

Telling me that something I'm doing is dangerous is hazardous to that person's health

Had a boss once go on about how much money I'd save if I quit smoking. My reply was simple: "I'd save about $5 a day. And do 20-life for killing you". He stopped pestering me...

 

[alicewonderland]

You camt really say that because as of now we have no idea what the long term effects of vaping flavor concentrates are. As of know we know the short term benefits are better but who knows what might start happening when peoole have been vaping 30yrs.

That's just a copout excuse people use who are afraid of the 'unknown'. I'm barely even 30 years old myself. What if I suddenly had some disease, I could just blame it on something I started doing 30 years ago, hmm what could it be... Breathing, Eating, ....ting, cuz that's when I was born.

Also, people actually do testing of flavor concentrates to make sure they contain no dangerous chemicals (such as diacetyl or however you spell it) ,most of the reputable vendors started doing this.

 

[choochoogranny]

20 years of research on SNU's in Sweden showing the death rate for those who use is no different than those who don't. Other European countries STILL ban them. The "fix" is in and smokers pay the price.

 

[house mouse]

O.M.G. Just had a thought when I think of how old our longest vapers are. Some will be dead in 30 years! They will blame their death on .........



Yep,



Vaping.

In 30 years, I will be 84 If I live that long. 30 years from the time I started vaping would put me at 82.... God we are so screwed.

People in their 80's and 90's are elderly. They've already surpassed the average life expectancy for people in the US. Looking for a scapegoat(smoking for one, especially in the remote past)to blame their death on just perplexes me. I'm sure I'll feel the same puzzlement when elderly vapers die and the finger pointing at vaping begins. Do these pointy fingered people really expect that 80 and 90 year olds would have lived another 20 productive years if only they hadn't smoked?

 

[Robino1]

People in their 80's and 90's are elderly. They've already surpassed the average life expectancy for people in the US. Looking for a scapegoat(smoking for one, especially in the remote past)to blame their death on just perplexes me. I'm sure I'll feel the same puzzlement when elderly vapers die and the finger pointing at vaping begins. Do these pointy fingered people really expect that 80 and 90 year olds would have lived another 20 productive years if only they hadn't smoked?

Exactly. I live in an area that is very well populated by elderly people. At a theater a couple of weeks ago, at intermission, I stepped outside to vape (being the polite person that I am and a people watcher at that) I was just watching all the people out smoking. 85% of those smokers were above the age of 75. I would like to point out...they were still alive. Still enjoying life. Still smoking.

In another thread, I said that it was a shame what we have done to smokers. These elderly people have lived long enough and paid their dues they have earned the right to do whatever the hell they want, With Their Own Bodies.

 

[Strings]

Robino: we the people let the big government nanny staters have the power they're using now. We have nobody to blame but ourselves

 

[DaveP]

I can't help but turn the table on people who tell me about how ecigs are worse than smoking or that they contain harmful chemicals.

My first question is, "Well, what is in them that's so bad?". They stumble around and spout out the antifreeze argument. I explain the PG debacle about how diethylene glycol was replaced by propylene glycol in antifreeze because DEG was poison and animals liked the sweet taste and liked to lick up spilled antifreeze. I tell them to Google PG to see that it's in food, drinks, cosmetics, and all sorts of things we eat and rub on our skin, including toothpaste. PG is GRAS (generally regarded as safe for human consumption).

Then, they talk about how nicotine is a poison and it's bad for you. I agree, but explain that doctors prescribe nicotine patches for people with Alzheimer's disease. It helps increase brain function and assists in improving memory. A little nic isn't a bad thing.

Then, we talk about how vaping is a much better option for smokers than killing themselves with tobacco. That's where we begin to agree that vaping isn't so bad after all.

 

[umanbean]

Robino: we the people let the big government nanny staters have the power they're using now. We have nobody to blame but ourselves

Yes, "we" DO have someone to blame. "We the people" (who feel the same as I do about NO big gov't) don't have the numbers to win elections. period.

The liberal, nanny-state, socialist, far-left-extremist voters, along with lo-info voters, outnumber "us". And the major media is on "their" side.

How could "we" have prevented that?

Voting does not change anything, if you're "out-voted".

The last woman that told me my ecig emitted formaldehyde, just last weekend, got a good earful.... whether that changed her mind or not, I do not know.

 

[DaveP]

Yes, "we" DO have someone to blame. "We the people" (who feel the same as I do about NO big gov't) don't have the numbers to win elections. period.

The liberal, nanny-state, socialist, far-left-extremist voters, along with lo-info voters, outnumber "us". And the major media is on "their" side.

How could "we" have prevented that?

Voting does not change anything, if you're "out-voted".

The last woman that told me my ecig emitted formaldehyde, just last weekend, got a good earful.... whether that changed her mind or not, I do not know.

I'd tell that lady formaldehyde is almost everywhere, but not necessarily in your ecig unless you crank up the wattage too high and don't saturate your wick properly. To get it in your ecig you have to enjoy hot, acrid, disgusting vapor.

How to Protect Your Family From Formaldehyde

Some common products that may contain formaldehyde:

Pressed wood products such as furniture and building supplies like particle board, paneling, and fiberboard.
Hair care products, especially hair smoothing products
Plastic grocery bags
Cosmetics and skin creams that contain quarternarium-15 (a preservative)
Nail polish
Paint
Permanent-press fabrics/clothing and curtains
Foam insulation (especially urea-formaldehyde foam insulation)
Unventilated Gas stoves and kerosene space heaters (it is a natural by-product of combustion)
Cigarette smoke
Cleaning products including deodorizers, furniture polish, and laundry stain removers
Glue and adhesives

 

[Strings]

Yes, "we" DO have someone to blame. "We the people" (who feel the same as I do about NO big gov't) don't have the numbers to win elections. period.

The liberal, nanny-state, socialist, far-left-extremist voters, along with lo-info voters, outnumber "us". And the major media is on "their" side.

How could "we" have prevented that?

Voting does not change anything, if you're "out-voted".

It's not just the liberals who are leading us down this path: it's both sides if the aisle. The conservatives just want to curtail different freedoms

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Notice: the conservatives avoided the GAG issues (God, Abortion, Gays) this last cycle, and won elections. Have a few that ACTUALLY represent smaller government, they can get elected. But we (voters) refuse to force the conservatives to field such
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[KurrptSenate]

I respond similar to this

"if you are trying to tell me that it's worse than smoking you've clearly been misinformed. while it's not as healthy as breathing normal air, it's infinitely safer than breathing in cigarette smoke. this is from personal experience. you won't find another vaper that won't agree with this sentiment"

obviously they are going to believe what they want. for these people, I won't waste too much of my breath to convince them otherwise. I just like to relay to them how futile it would be to try to convince me otherwise as well

 

[umanbean]

I'd tell that lady formaldehyde is almost everywhere, .....................

Oh I told her that too... along with many other myth-busting facts disputing the detritus being spewed by the money grabbers and their puppet media. You should've seen the look on her face when I told her nicotine was not only not harmful in sane quantities, but is in tomatoes too -- she and her husband just planted about 15-20 seedlings so they'd have enough to give away.

It's not just the liberals who are leading us down this path: it's both sides if the aisle. The conservatives just want to curtail different freedoms

Unfortunately, sadly, disgustingly.... you're so right. I shudder to think what this country will be like by the time my teenage kids get to middle-age... and what they'll have to live through between now and then.

The lady I mentioned above and her husband are elderly, retired, intelligent, witty, formerly self-employed, conservative, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans.

But she saw it on TV, so it must be true... right?

 

[Rizzyking]

I got very annoyed yesterday as the BBC had articles on vaping that were really positive on it not being the gateway to smoking that some had predicted and a medical study that concluded that vaping was no more harmful then breathing air in any major city. Was this shouted on the main news page as all the scare mongering lies and misrepresentations are, no it was hidden away on the smoking section of their news app where hardly anyone is going to see it and the studies were government funded that at least for us in the UK is good news. It becomes harder for our government to be draconian when their own money refutes them though it isn't unheard of. Can only hope my vaping brothers and sisters in the states and mainland Europe find something as positive for their cause I wish you all luck with your fight.