some people seem to think the provari is expensive

[ad356]

allot people that i work with that smoke seem to think that the provari is expensive..... well at first it is. over time even an expensive unit like the provari is quite cheap when you compare it to cigarettes. i think i respond with, how long does it take you to spend $180 on cigarettes...... not long. cigarettes are a continual spending of money, if you buy them in the local store at $10 per pack then at $70 per week it doesnt take long. even when you purchase cigarette at the reservation thats still well over $100 per month; although i dont know how much cartons even cost anymore since i no longer purchase them. even if you roll your own cigarettes using "mild" pipe tobacco; its still a good $50 per month after you purchase tobacco, tubes, rolling machines, lighters, ect. a unit like the provari costs $180 up front but will last a long time, so far i have had mine almost a year. i am hoping it lasts many years. its like a briggs and stratton industrial/commerical engine that will last for many years, its the industrial/commerical ecig.

if you DYI juice; go through batteries every 6 months or less; and buy the occasional tank vaping with a good unit like the provari is actually quite cheap since the unit lasts a long; long time.

 

[zerominusone]

Totally agree. Mine paid for itself in the first month 'cuz I didn't have to buy cigarettes. Plus, you can't really put a price tag on your health and well being.

 

[babemomlover]

Comparing the price of the provari to my tobacco spending was the whole thing that pushed me over the edge and is what is causing me to order after next weeks paycheck.

Even after I got a 50 dollar ego unit and copious amounts of juice in the past month, purchasing the provari will put me at a position where I paid slightly more then a pack a day, I know after just one month it will even out and be even lower.

Considering I have enough juice to last a couple month lockdown, I can't wait for my provari and new atty to come in.

It's expensive but after a while it will still be less then cigs.

I use less then 2 bucks a day worth of liquid and throw in a quarter or two for the lifespan of an atty vs. cost and you have a habit that is less then 30% of what cigarettes are (at a pack and a half a day)

 

[JudeD]

I agree that it is totally worth it and much cheaper in the long run. The problem for some folks, and I'm just guessing here, is that they never tally up what they spend on smokes and they buy a pack or a couple of packs at a time, so shelling out $200+ for a Provari, cartos, and juice seems like a lot. If you asked them to buy $200+ of smokes at one time, they would think that was a lot, but they spend that much anyway, just not all at once.

If they started with a cheaper PV and put what they saved from not buying analogs in a jar, it wouldn't take very long to save enough for a Provari. Of course, if they are like me and they buy nine million juices and every new gadget for vaping that comes along, they won't save any money at all---but they'll have a heck of a good time!

 

[the_vape_nerd]

The thing to do is use your "would have spent on smokes" money and set some of the savings aside for a unit like this. I just bought an "expensive unit" myself but i waited until I had enough saved up from what i would have spent on smokes.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

It is on the expensive side..I have 2 "LT kits" they cost me a total of just under $137..1 is Stainless Steel (real SS not Chrome) 1 black..so for that price I have 2 - "LT's"..4 - 18650's..2 - chargers....a couple cases..a SS Drip Tip and 3 - 3ohm atomizers..the SS one even has a 1 year warranty...

 

[denali_41]

three weeks of no stinkies and i paid for my provari,,,still a lot cheaper then chemo !!

 

[Riverboat]

Provari are inexpensive when you consider what you get... A high performance well built mod......

 

[b0redagain]

It is on the expensive side..I have 2 "LT kits" they cost me a total of just under $137...

I'll choose quality over quantity any day. The Provari is definitely affordable after selling a few lavatubes.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

I'll choose quality over quantity any day. The Provari is definitely affordable after selling a few lavatubes.

I'm not having any issues with my "LT's" one is over 3 months old with zero issues works as good as the day I got it and the SS one has a nice quality look..it's also pretty heavy plus it has a eGo style connector...

 

[b0redagain]

I'm not having any issues with my "LT's" one is over 3 months old with zero issues works as good as the day I got it and the SS one has a nice quality look..it's also pretty heavy plus it has a eGo style connector...

Cool story, bro. You don't have to convince me...haha.

 

[classwife]

Moved from General E-Smoking Discussion to APV Discussion, Model Specific Discussion - ProVari

 

[TravTech]

I was spending $250+ per month for cigs. $200 is a small investment to be able to stop spending that much.

Oh and an SS LT is heavy?

You don't know what heavy is until you've picked up a Provari. The Provari is almost too heavy, almost to the point of being a detractor.

 

[ChrispyCritter]

I was spending $250+ per month for cigs. $200 is a small investment to be able to stop spending that much.

Oh and an SS LT is heavy?

You don't know what heavy is until you've picked up a Provari. The Provari is almost too heavy, almost to the point of being a detractor.

Yes the SS "LT" from Apollo is made of solid Stainless Steel and when you compare it to a normal "LT" it makes the normal "LT" feel really light..I'm sure it weighs about the same as a Provari (SS = 4.3oz Regular = 1.8oz without the battery on my digital food scale..so the SS "LT" weighs more than 2x as much as a regular "LT")..anyways this was moved into the Provari board from General so I'll refrain from posting in this thread further...

 

[fuzzione]

I'm one of those who believes the Provari is currently overpriced for what it offers. I say this knowing that I'll probably be buying one eventually anyway. Perhaps a couple years ago it was a different story but these days there are just too many offerings that will get you a similar, if not identical or better vape, for lower cost IMHO. The quality of lower priced mods continues to improve and eventually Provape will probably have to rethink their pricing.

The comparison between what one pays in cigarettes vs. what vaping equipment costs is a double-edged sword. Yes, one inevitably compares what is spent on cigarettes vs. their vaping costs and this may to some justify the latter. I personally think the manufacturers capitalize on this mentality and charge more for their products than what they're objectively worth. For one thing, cigarette taxes in my country are approx. 70%. This is the money I must pay the government to get my TH through cigarettes. That tax simply does not exist with vaping goods so a good part of this amount goes to manufacturer and vendor profits instead so I can get my TH and nic another way. I don't believe this is reasonable. The vaping industry is quite simply nowhere near as heavily taxed to justify certain pricing and it's inevitable comparison to tobacco products.

I'll bet Provape make a killing off each Provari sold based on their actual manufacturing and marketing costs. At what point their (or any other manufacturers) profit margins stop being reasonable and represent 'gouging' is up to the individual customer to decide I suppose. But I think people are wising up.

There will always exist different types of consumers. Some don't mind paying top dollar to arguably get the 'best' while others would happily settle for 90% of the quality to save 100% of the cost. I don't believe the Provari is made for the latter type of customers.

 

[sanman969]

The Provari is top-notch. The build quality and safety features make it worth the price, for me.

I hope the do a watt-controllable version of the Provari!

 

[79Silo]

price didn't bother me at all.. as my calculation saving the whole year much rather expensive with analogs. 1 analog coz me 3.50usd (converted) and i smoke 2 packs a day that will be 7usd times 7day and a month is 196usd a month times 12 months is 2,352usd.. If soak it up 20% of that on e cig a year.. saved!!

 

[the_vape_nerd]

I'm one of those who believes the Provari is currently overpriced for what it offers. I say this knowing that I'll probably be buying one eventually anyway. Perhaps a couple years ago it was a different story but these days there are just too many offerings that will get you a similar, if not identical or better vape, for lower cost IMHO. The quality of lower priced mods continues to improve and eventually Provape will probably have to rethink their pricing.

The comparison between what one pays in cigarettes vs. what vaping equipment costs is a double-edged sword. Yes, one inevitably compares what is spent on cigarettes vs. their vaping costs and this may to some justify the latter. I personally think the manufacturers capitalize on this mentality and charge more for their products than what they're objectively worth. For one thing, cigarette taxes in my country are approx. 70%. This is the money I must pay the government to get my TH through cigarettes. That tax simply does not exist with vaping goods so a good part of this amount goes to manufacturer and vendor profits instead so I can get my TH and nic another way. I don't believe this is reasonable. The vaping industry is quite simply nowhere near as heavily taxed to justify certain pricing and it's inevitable comparison to tobacco products.

I'll bet Provape make a killing off each Provari sold based on their actual manufacturing and marketing costs. At what point their (or any other manufacturers) profit margins stop being reasonable and represent 'gouging' is up to the individual customer to decide I suppose. But I think people are wising up.

There will always exist different types of consumers. Some don't mind paying top dollar to arguably get the 'best' while others would happily settle for 90% of the quality to save 100% of the cost. I don't believe the Provari is made for the latter type of customers.

This is a very well thought out post and I do somewhat agree. However, you've also got to factor in the person's R&D costs and whether or not the device does things that are unique. Ipads and Macs are a great example of this. The real intrinsic cost of those devices is minimal. Where the money is made with them is in the R&D and the creation of a device that does something unique and that you can't get any place else.

What you aren't seeing in the price of a pro vari is the other costs of business. Yes, maybe provape has only 40$ worth of materials in a pro vari. So what? They still had to risk capital to start a business, spend a lot of time figuring out how to make the device work properly, get rid of bugs, find a supplier to make a proto type, negotiate a price on lots, and set up a website to educate their consumers or potential consumers.

I don't own a pro vari and probably won't ever own one, but something is really always worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.

 

[fuzzione]

This is a very well thought out post and I do somewhat agree. However, you've also got to factor in the person's R&D costs and whether or not the device does things that are unique. Ipads and Macs are a great example of this. The real intrinsic cost of those devices is minimal. Where the money is made with them is in the R&D and the creation of a device that does something unique and that you can't get any place else.

What you aren't seeing in the price of a pro vari is the other costs of business. Yes, maybe provape has only 40$ worth of materials in a pro vari. So what? They still had to risk capital to start a business, spend a lot of time figuring out how to make the device work properly, get rid of bugs, find a supplier to make a proto type, negotiate a price on lots, and set up a website to educate their consumers or potential consumers.

I don't own a pro vari and probably won't ever own one, but something is really always worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.

Oh I would totally agree with that last part. It's always been that way irrespective of cost + profit margins.
I think it's fair to say however that Provape have likely been around long enough and sold enough units that
their R&D costs have been compensated for by now. Again, 2 years ago it was a different story and the Provari certainly offered unique performance unparalleled by competition. Not so much now with all the options out there. Yes it can be compared to an Apple product for which you pay an ownership premium but I'm not so sure Provari can maintain its 'Apple allure' for much longer unless they do something new and special to the device. Something beyond LED color choice I would think

 

[the_vape_nerd]

Oh I would totally agree with that last part. It's always been that way irrespective of cost + profit margins.
I think it's fair to say however that Provape have likely been around long enough and sold enough units that
their R&D costs have been compensated for by now. Again, 2 years ago it was a different story and the Provari certainly offered unique performance unparalleled by competition. Not so much now with all the options out there. Yes it can be compared to an Apple product for which you pay an ownership premium but I'm not so sure Provari can maintain its 'Apple allure' for much longer unless they do something new and special to the device. Something beyond LED color choice I would think

I think you are probably right on that. You'll see a price drop on the pro vari when it makes sense for them. Either people will abandon it in favor of cheaper options or embrace it as the new standard.

We're already seeing some kind of competition on it. You've got the kick for example which is making it so everyone can set wattage on whatever tub mod. From oil to vaping supplies, it's just the free market at work.