Someone tell me how/why E-cigarettes are healthier than traditional Cigarettes

[smoked25years]

Probably, but I don’t care. If stopping vaping comes about naturally fine, but I'm not making that my goal. Maybe 20-30 years ago it might have been...who knows.

Of course. Which is why it's not a terrible idea for a younger person who stops smoking with vaping to think about getting off of vaping. But if stopping vaping means relapsing to smoking, it's not a great idea. However, you won't know unless you try.

For many of us here who are much older, and with longer cigarette use history, getting off vaping is a pretty low consideration of what to do today. We're ahead of the game. But a 35 year old? Sure, if you can wean off vaping and not return to cigarettes, the best long term outcome is likely.

It's up to each individual to decide what is best for him or her. As for my own opinion... yes I do think it worth trying to stop using at any age... even for decrepit old people like myself.

Social media is a big enabler. Vaping doesn't extend your life. It is abstaining from cigarettes that is responsible for improved health and reduced risk, not the vaping. A lot of the popular personalities on social media will say things like "vape on" or "keep vaping". They make money from it. Quitting vaping doesn't mean you'll have to go back to cigarettes if you fall of the wagon. Vapes are widely available and many of us have stockpiles to fall back on.

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[Letitia]

Semantics. Vaping is helping me extend my life hopefully. Nothing else worked so...

 

[Zazie]

It's up to each individual to decide what is best for him or her. As for my own opinion... yes I do think it worth trying to stop using at any age... even for decrepit old people like myself.

Social media is a big enabler. Vaping doesn't extend your life. It is abstaining from cigarettes that is responsible for improved health and reduced risk, not the vaping. A lot of the popular personalities on social media will say things like "vape on" or "keep vaping". They make money from it. Quitting vaping doesn't mean you'll have to go back to cigarettes if you fall of the wagon. Vapes are widely available and many of us have stockpiles to fall back on.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Is anyone making the argument that people who vape live longer than people who neither vape nor smoke? Now that would be silly indeed.

 

[englishmick]

Is anyone making the argument that people who vape live longer than people who neither vape nor smoke? Now that would be silly indeed.

Maybe, maybe not. But to use Gottlieb logic, until we have long term studies proving that it doesn't extend your life we have to assume it does and pass laws accordingly.

 

[Zazie]

We have to assume vaping makes a person live longer than someone who neither vapes nor smokes? Why?

 

[stols001]

We don't have to assume anything, actually. That was a joke concerning a very anti-vaper
"scientist's" logic.

In fact the smart thing to do is to not really assume ANYTHING. I don't make any claims about vaping being safe. It may be dangerous to my life in a totally UNINTENDED way, like I hit something as I pay attention to my vape, driving. I may inadvertently shorten my life in a way smoking might not have.

I will note one thing, the early onset symptoms of COPD are UNPLEASANT. Exceedingly so, like a LOT. I will not assume, either, that my stopping smoking 3 ppd and starting vaping caused my symptoms to recede, the philosopher HUME was VERY intent on the fact that we can't assume anything. It could be mere correlation.

However, I'm pretty sure we are all gonna die, at some point. One thing I do know is that I'd really prefer to NOT go out via COPD. Drowning over decades seems to combine the worst of drowning, and getting old, over a long drawn out period.

Lack of assumptions can be of service from time to time, and assuming things is also useful.

Really the question *I* ask me is.... Is vaping meeting *my* needs at this time? And it is. It's the best I feel is on offer (when combined with snus) when it comes to being an ex smoker.

I would no more start vaping than start smoking except that I was a teen idiot. Vaping is the best it gets for THIS teen idiot and what everyone else does?

Well, like most free thinking individuals, you can do, say, think what you want. It really only irks me when you are GETTING IN MY WAY of being free, at which point, I will start to hate you.

I'm not a big fan of the government for many many things, vaping among them. I KNOW (from watching other nations fail and suck) what happens when the government gets too grabby about anything.

Unfortunately, we have a whole new generation who seem to think they want to learn that lesson again the hard way. Fine.

But, you also suck for not sort of assuming the overthrow of a tyrannical government is the suck, but well, if you white wash history books, that is what happens.

Anna

 

[Zazie]

We don't have to assume anything, actually. That was a joke concerning a very anti-vaper
"scientist's" logic.

Which I just got. Shame on me.

 

[Opinionated]

Shame on me.

No. Absolutely not.

Dry humor (or sarcasm) can be notoriously difficult to catch for what it is. One sign of having a dry sense of humour is a percentage of people not "getting" your joke or what you've said.

So no, not shame on you. Your a normal person who didn't pick up on some hardcore sarcasm in the middle of a serious thread, topped off with a solid dose of being new to vaping...

That's nothing to be ashamed of. Welcome to the forum.

Do a happy dance for being you!

 

[Zazie]

But I favor dry humor myself, so I should've picked up on it. Unfortunately, I also have a literal streak, which was my downfall here.

Wait--I was hungry when I posted. I'm going with that excuse. It saves the most face.

 

[stols001]

@Zazie, no face saving needed here. LOL. We are all on the same side here: we all hate the vaping activists.

I have missed many a joke or important piece of information during my time at ECF. LOL.
Anna

 

[Rossum]

Vaping doesn't extend your life. It is abstaining from cigarettes that is responsible for improved health and reduced risk, not the vaping.

Some of us had given up on the very idea of abstaining from cigarettes before we found vaping. Thus we do indeed see vaping as the thing that is responsible for improved health and reduced risk.

Quitting vaping doesn't mean you'll have to go back to cigarettes if you fall of the wagon.

Darn near five years after switching, I still fear that if vaping disappeared somehow, it would be less than 24 hours before I headed for the local Stop & Rob to buy some smokes.

 

[Letitia]

Some of us had given up on the very idea of abstaining from cigarettes before we found vaping. Thus we do indeed see vaping as the thing that is responsible for improved health and reduced risk.

Darn near five years after switching, I still fear that if vaping disappeared somehow, it would be less than 24 hours before I headed for the local Stop & Rob to buy some smokes.

Exactly. Same here.

 

[Baditude]

Is anyone making the argument that people who vape live longer than people who neither vape nor smoke? Now that would be silly indeed.

Some of us had given up on the very idea of abstaining from cigarettes before we found vaping. Thus we do indeed see vaping as the thing that is responsible for improved health and reduced risk.

I think the argument can be made maybe not live LONGER, but maybe having a HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE while living.

As @Rossum said, many of us who smoked for decades had already given up hope of ever being able to quit smoking. I was one of those. I tried vaping on a whim and had enough of a positive experience that I convinced myself that I could probably quit smoking by vaping.

There is some early evidence that nicotine may slow the progress of Alzheimers Disease, so a healthier nicotine delivery system such as vaping could prove to improve one's quality of life as we age. There is also some early evidence that nicotine can be benefitual for treatment for Parkinson's Disease and some inflamatory bowel disorders.

Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's

Four Surprising Potential Health Benefits of Nicotine - Tonic

Smoking and nicotine in inflammatory bowel disease: good or bad for ...

Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis - NCBI - NIH

 

[Rossum]

I tried vaping on a whim and had enough of a positive experience that I convinced myself that I could probably quit smoking by vaping.

Yep. I had zero intent to quit smoking when I ordered my first Triton starter kit from Halo in December of 2013. I was simply curious whether I could use it to cut back some. Well, I cut back to zero in less than a week and never finished the pack I'd opened shortly before that kit arrived (although there was an upgrade to bigger, "spinner" type batteries and Pro Tanks involved in getting all the way down to zero).

 

[AXIOM_1]

Yep. I had zero intent to quit smoking when I ordered my first Triton starter kit from Halo in December of 2013. I was simply curious whether I could use it to cut back some. Well, I cut back to zero in less than a week and never finished the pack I'd opened shortly before that kit arrived (although there was an upgrade to bigger, "spinner" type batteries and Pro Tanks involved in getting all the way down to zero).

I went by way of a sort of strange route...… I also was one that assumed I would never quit smoking..... But instead of going from smoking to vaping, I went from smoking to chewing tobacco...… Chewing tobacco did indeed help me to quit smoking.... The only problem is that I found myself strung out on chewing tobacco.... Years later, I discovered vaping....

 

[Zazie]

I think the argument can be made maybe not live LONGER, but maybe having a HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE while living.

As @Rossum said, many of us who smoked for decades had already given up hope of ever being able to quit smoking. I was one of those. I tried vaping on a whim and had enough of a positive experience that I convinced myself that I could probably quit smoking by vaping.

There is some early evidence that nicotine may slow the progress of Alzheimers Disease, so a healthier nicotine delivery system such as vaping could prove to improve one's quality of life as we age. There is also some early evidence that nicotine can be benefitual for treatment for Parkinson's Disease and some inflamatory bowel disorders.

Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's

Four Surprising Potential Health Benefits of Nicotine - Tonic

Smoking and nicotine in inflammatory bowel disease: good or bad for ...

Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis - NCBI - NIH

There is also some evidence that nicotine may also help alleviate symptoms of MS:

Nicotine might have a protective effect in the etiology of multiple sclerosis. - PubMed - NCBI

MS Society-funded study shows that nicotine reduces the invasion of harmful immune cells into the brain in mice with an MS-like disease — MS Society of Canada

MS Symptoms Eased by Way Nicotine and Beta-amyloid Work on Immune System, Study Reports

 

[CMD-Ky]

100 likes, Baditude, at seventy-four years, I think that I have a decent quantity of years, for me the quality of my declining years takes on more importance. I like still having a relatively agile and quick mind capable of grasping new concepts (though wondering where my keys are, thank God for Mrs CMD). I like being able to walk stairs, cut trees and throw with dogs all without breathing hard. Although I generally am skeptical of "studies", I am only "selectively" skeptical. I grasp hungrily at those studies that say what I am doing and like to do may be good for me, such as nicotine use..

I think the argument can be made maybe not live LONGER, but maybe having a HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE while living.

As @Rossum said, many of us who smoked for decades had already given up hope of ever being able to quit smoking. I was one of those. I tried vaping on a whim and had enough of a positive experience that I convinced myself that I could probably quit smoking by vaping.

There is some early evidence that nicotine may slow the progress of Alzheimers Disease, so a healthier nicotine delivery system such as vaping could prove to improve one's quality of life as we age. There is also some early evidence that nicotine can be benefitual for treatment for Parkinson's Disease and some inflamatory bowel disorders.

Study finds nicotine safe, helps in Alzheimer's, Parkinson's

Four Surprising Potential Health Benefits of Nicotine - Tonic

Smoking and nicotine in inflammatory bowel disease: good or bad for ...

Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis - NCBI - NIH

 

[Alien Traveler]

Vaping is extremely harmful. PG and VG get absorbed by lungs (which are not designed to absorb such stuff), results may vary. Wife (or husband, depends on your sex) can become highly agitated; results may vary. Interlude: so far everything I said was a truth, and nothing but the truth. Even more so - nicotine may be harmful for your hart, if you do have hart problems. So, why am I vaping? Because smoking is even worse. Or at least I have read something like this.

 

[stols001]

I've actually decided that I have zero need to describe how vaping is safer than smoking. I am now taking the approach, "I don't care, I THINK IT IS and much of what I have read that doesn't have scientific holes the size of swiss cheese in it thinks it is."

That's good enough for me. It's not my job to convince you. Go do your own homework. If you need help, like post some studies that alarm you, and I'm sure you'll get shown where they may have gone wrong.

The fact that you are asking and some of the answers here make me despair. There are zero guarantees in life and if you can't figure it out for yourself, well smoking is still legal in the United States and many other places, so just have right at it.

I feel bad that our society has gotten so illiterate that these questions need to be asked. If you have a search engine, half a brain, and a MODICUM of scientific training, you should be able to sort it out. Because, if you can't, what I say will be all mumbo jumbo to you in any case.

It is also not my job to "prove" anything about vaping to you. I did not sit around giving long explanations about the science of new drugs or technologies (not unless I was paid anyway) to anyone, and certainly not something as new as ecigs. Nor did I sit around debating the merits of coffee with houseguests before I offered them a cup. They were free to answer "yes" or "no" but there was not usually extensive debate happening over the merits of decaf versus full flavored. Etc.

You are gonna have to decide this one for yourself, to be quite frank. You are a grown adult with a computer and the internet. Start looking for studies, (and not just from here, overseas too) read them, and make a decision.

It's all quite simple really.

Anna

 

[CMD-Ky]

I may be dense, I guess that you are declining the opportunity to answer the question?

I've actually decided that I have zero need to describe how vaping is safer than smoking. I am now taking the approach, "I don't care, I THINK IT IS and much of what I have read that doesn't have scientific holes the size of swiss cheese in it thinks it is."

That's good enough for me. It's not my job to convince you. Go do your own homework. If you need help, like post some studies that alarm you, and I'm sure you'll get shown where they may have gone wrong.

The fact that you are asking and some of the answers here make me despair. There are zero guarantees in life and if you can't figure it out for yourself, well smoking is still legal in the United States and many other places, so just have right at it.

I feel bad that our society has gotten so illiterate that these questions need to be asked. If you have a search engine, half a brain, and a MODICUM of scientific training, you should be able to sort it out. Because, if you can't, what I say will be all mumbo jumbo to you in any case.

It is also not my job to "prove" anything about vaping to you. I did not sit around giving long explanations about the science of new drugs or technologies (not unless I was paid anyway) to anyone, and certainly not something as new as ecigs. Nor did I sit around debating the merits of coffee with houseguests before I offered them a cup. They were free to answer "yes" or "no" but there was not usually extensive debate happening over the merits of decaf versus full flavored. Etc.

You are gonna have to decide this one for yourself, to be quite frank. You are a grown adult with a computer and the internet. Start looking for studies, (and not just from here, overseas too) read them, and make a decision.

It's all quite simple really.

Anna