Something that actually works right out of the package.

[BuzzKilla]

What gets me is when people hype up expensive mods and not be honest about saying they have them because they're shiny, they give them prestige like owning a Ferrari or something, or simply saying they have them because they like owning them like a collector's hobby. If an expensive mod is so great, why would you need another mod? Shouldn't you just need one? I see people displaying their expensive PVs A, B, C, etc. Aren't you supposed to be content with one because it's great and expensive? Why need another one? Because the first one didn't work as you expected?

They're basic devices to me and nothing more than flashlights. Of course, they have extras like regulators, digital displays, extra buttons. I have an e-reader worth less than $100 and it has everything and more. If this is how you assess technology and how far it has gotten us into, then we need to think back and expect more from our money.

I completely agree with your message, but maybe you have the wrong impression of me.

Yes i own an expensive Battery mod, but i whole heatedly believe that this IS the last mod that i need to purchase.
I did not purchase it to be smug or achieve a prestige status.
I bought this because i think that is was a extremely well engineered piece of mechanical genius.
Simplistic mechanical design, with the durability of stainless steel = a smart purchase IMO
Resale value was also a large factor

My only real reason to upgrade was the battery life... 2900mAh

I have since sold my other battery mods and acessories, so yes this is my only mod and am very content with it

 

[theWayISshut]

Owner of Factory: Fantastic Style Amazing!, we will release to all our supplier and let them sell to customer and have them pay for our mistakes. Plus someone will make youtube video on how to waste half hour on dollar product to make it work anyways!!!! hehe. Move forward with production on Revision Version 2.... MoRevision will be the new Revision!

At least people from other countries can actually produce something. Compare that to the state we are in. We have to import inferior products and we can't make our own.

 

[mopar]

At least people from other countries can actually produce something. Compare that to the state we are in. We have to import inferior products and we can't make our own.

Oh we could make them and make them better, but they would cost $52,000.00 a set

 

[pherse]

Oh we could make them and make them better, but they would cost $52,000.00 a set

Thats only if they don't go on strike

 

[theWayISshut]

Oh we could make them and make them better, but they would cost $52,000.00 a set

Right. Complaining is useless, no?

Home Hardware, a Canadian company, always comes up with unique, specialty tools. Tools that don't necessarily appeal to everyone. They recently came up with a new flashlight with additional, essential features for thirty bucks, Canadian.

Which makes me think that kind of mindset is erroneous, ie, $52,000 for a set. Sheesh.

 

[chaseman]

I think you're missing my point. Almost everything is made in China.

That doesn't mean that inferior product needs to be a day-to-day occurrence. Inferior product is dictated by the company that purchases it and sells or resells it to customers.

The industry has been grey-area, unregulated for far too long, and typical practice has been to encourage this endless cycle of: bad product---revision---release----bugs----revision----release----repeat until next bad product.

I believe this is most likely not due to the want of the companies (nobody wants a crappy product), but their lack of large enough money to dictate to factories specifically what can/can't should/shouldn't be made for whom etc.

The saddest part is that almost every one of these factories will make anything, for anyone, with any logo, even if it means ripping off their existing customers, which in every case it does. Companies are also left to "battle it out" and drive the price down because it's (in most cases) ALL the same product! This is obviously due to the fact that smaller companies (ie 90% of the industry) can't even purchase enough product to carry exclusivity on hardware and the factory is left with no choice but to sell it to everyone.

It's the PERFECT recipe for larger corporations (BT or BP) to take over quickly and employ massive regulations/standards/taxes etc.

The factories win (for now), because they can sell as much product as they would to a walmart, but instead to every e cig company, with a little bit of difference. They leave the customer service---end product sales/service to the companies to bear the brunt of the worry/responsibility/explanation and returns, and make all the money. Brilliant.....for China.

I'm eating Reese's Pieces Cereal.

 

[Ms. Creant]

Right. Complaining is useless, no?

Home Hardware, a Canadian company, always comes up with unique, specialty tools. Tools that don't necessarily appeal to everyone. They recently came up with a new flashlight with additional, essential features for thirty bucks, Canadian.

Which makes me think that kind of mindset is erroneous, ie, $52,000 for a set. Sheesh.

That reminds me of that thing that looked like an egg beater with maybe a 3 foot steel shaft that you put into a drill, supposed to help with the gardening - loosening soil and such so you can plant your veggies. I loved how the, maybe two, clips they showed of it in actual use were like 0.005 seconds long because it was a total piece of garbage. The first time I saw that commercial I thought anybody that buys that is an idiot.

Back to vaping. Long story short - I bought a no nic 808, did some research, bought a 510 adapter and some boge 2.0 cartos. That worked. Within a week of having the 808 I built myself a wall-plugged 5V adapter with 510 thread - This plus the boge 2.0's Worked.

After almost two months of using the single 808 battery and my wall-plug mod and reading, researching and trying a couple different cartos I made the decision to get a Riva 510 kit with 2 x 1100 mAh batteries which I recieved on Friday. Why did I buy the Riva? Because I wanted something that was still relatively small and stealthy, these batteries are only marginally larger than the 808 in diameter; they're a little too heavy to have hanging out of your mouth while driving but I still have my 808 battery for that if I want to do that while driving or whatever.

I also purchased a Lavatube, which I will be getting tomorrow. Why? Because I have noticed that some juices taste better at 5V than they do at 3.7V nominal and carrying around my wall-plugged 5V mod isn't practical, even though I did take it to work everyday so that I could vape and not have to worry about draining my single 808 battery.

On cartos, Boge 2.0's are probably the only carto I will use for the forseeable future, checked how many I have on hand and it's around 60. They work.

In the mean time, I built myself a 18650 box mod, straight up manual switch, Why? So I could be portable and not have to try and rely on my single 808, I can vape for at least 3 days on it without charging. It works. It cost maybe $25.00 to build but it is a bit bulky to carry everywhere.

I also received a bonus Indulgence v3 with my last order from eastmall. Totally unexpected and totally cool. It works just like my box mod but it is quite a bit smaller. It works. I will definitely be carrying that around when conspicuity isn't an issue.

 

[Toronto_Mike]

There seems to be an unlimited supply of new products and revisions within our e-stores. I'd like to see a "rating" system of 1 to 5 for product performance, ease of use, durability, longevity added to the product review & ask everyone to refrain from their reviews until they've used a product for a min of 2 weeks. This way if I was interested in a product that had 25 reviews with an average score of 2.6, I would look for something better.

 

[northhar]

I think you're missing my point. Almost everything is made in China.

That doesn't mean that inferior product needs to be a day-to-day occurrence. Inferior product is dictated by the company that purchases it and sells or resells it to customers.

The industry has been grey-area, unregulated for far too long, and typical practice has been to encourage this endless cycle of: bad product---revision---release----bugs----revision----release----repeat until next bad product.

I believe this is most likely not due to the want of the companies (nobody wants a crappy product), but their lack of large enough money to dictate to factories specifically what can/can't should/shouldn't be made for whom etc.

The saddest part is that almost every one of these factories will make anything, for anyone, with any logo, even if it means ripping off their existing customers, which in every case it does. Companies are also left to "battle it out" and drive the price down because it's (in most cases) ALL the same product! This is obviously due to the fact that smaller companies (ie 90% of the industry) can't even purchase enough product to carry exclusivity on hardware and the factory is left with no choice but to sell it to everyone.

It's the PERFECT recipe for larger corporations (BT or BP) to take over quickly and employ massive regulations/standards/taxes etc.

The factories win (for now), because they can sell as much product as they would to a walmart, but instead to every e cig company, with a little bit of difference. They leave the customer service---end product sales/service to the companies to bear the brunt of the worry/responsibility/explanation and returns, and make all the money. Brilliant.....for China.

I'm eating Reese's Pieces Cereal.

I wish I would not sound dated but this post reminded me of the late 70's and early 80's micro computer's,
except instead of 2 or 3$ investment it was 4000 to 6000 thousand investment and then you had to fiddle with it, mod it
and the worse thing ever learn and understand it before you could actually use it.

Then IBM stepped in and straightened it all out (the short version) the micro computer finally became a mass market item that worked out of the box.

I wonder if that type of cycle is possible to break with e-cigs?

 

[northhar]

I spent needless amounts of money, trying to buy the perfect vape.
Once I realized that maybe I was the reason my PV wasn't enough, is when i started to actually enjoy vaping.

After over a year of trial and error, i have been happy for over a month with a single cell mechanical mod with a 2 Ohm rebuild-able atty. Having no urge to search for anything else has been my largest vaping achievement since quitting analogs.

I am in the same boat. I now have almost a month of use on a rebuild-able atty and though I own a LT, I find that I am also only using it on a single cell mechanical mod.
I have been more consistently satisfied with vaping since I got this than in the previous 9 months of trying, modding, and hopeing for a consistent vaping experience.

This has also made me realize that a large part of the answer may be the rebuild-able atty, especially along the lines of the US-Gtank, configurable as well as rebuild-able.. Good things lay ahead..

 

[theWayISshut]

I wish I would not sound dated but this post reminded me of the late 70's and early 80's micro computer's,
except instead of 2 or 3$ investment it was 4000 to 6000 thousand investment and then you had to fiddle with it, mod it
and the worse thing ever learn and understand it before you could actually use it.

Then IBM stepped in and straightened it all out (the short version) the micro computer finally became a mass market item that worked out of the box.

I wonder if that type of cycle is possible to break with e-cigs?

Except that such analogy is apples and bananas. More like comparing a tablet pc to a flashlight.

An e-cig is just composed of a battery, a switch and a heating element. It's essentially a flashlight. Some add options to it like voltage regulators, digital displays, which you can find in any electrical device. There's nothing more to it. It's a simple device. All the modders' only focus is the battery housing. And the battery is invented already. You can see them in laptops, cameras, cell phones, etc.

Not only that, modders don't even have to worry about the attachment you add in it. Atomizers, cartomizers, cartridges, etc. are already manufactured by other companies. When you really think about it, spending sums of money on a mod you'd be expecting to get the whole thing. All you really get is the battery housing. I would have expected more like innovative atomizers, cartos, tanks, you know, the whole juice feeding system in tandem with the battery part.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I bough my Don as a first PV cuz I was DESPERATE for it to get me off analogs. The Provari was gifted to me from friends that I had converted and bought 4 starter kits for. My Don goes with me on the road while my Provari stays at home. I chose the Don because:
quality
all mechanical and tough
3.7 V
2 in 1 PV- larger at home model and stealth model
and after 3 months I know I made the right choice. If I didn't own the Provari I'd prolly would be buying a smaller PV as back up in case of Don problems. I can also appreciate the fact that most of the Vets here have, in their sig, the PVs they're using. Obviously others would want their success and may possibly buy the same PVs they're using.

What gets me is when people hype up expensive mods and not be honest about saying they have them because they're shiny, they give them prestige like owning a Ferrari or something, or simply saying they have them because they like owning them like a collector's hobby. If an expensive mod is so great, why would you need another mod? Shouldn't you just need one? I see people displaying their expensive PVs A, B, C, etc. Aren't you supposed to be content with one because it's great and expensive? Why need another one? Because the first one didn't work as you expected?

They're basic devices to me and nothing more than flashlights. Of course, they have extras like regulators, digital displays, extra buttons. I have an e-reader worth less than $100 and it has everything and more. If this is how you assess technology and how far it has gotten us into, then we need to think back and expect more from our money.

 

[Mindfield]

I wish I would not sound dated but this post reminded me of the late 70's and early 80's micro computer's,
except instead of 2 or 3$ investment it was 4000 to 6000 thousand investment and then you had to fiddle with it, mod it
and the worse thing ever learn and understand it before you could actually use it.

Then IBM stepped in and straightened it all out (the short version) the micro computer finally became a mass market item that worked out of the box.

I wonder if that type of cycle is possible to break with e-cigs?

I'm certain that it is. To use the same analogy, I think we're kind of on the brink between the hobbyist phase and the commercial phase, with mostly Imsais and Altairs and a few Apple Is floating around. But as governments start to come around to the benefits of vaping and legitimizing the technology and "software", we will begin to enter the "golden age" of E-cigs with more standardization around current "platforms" (510, 808/901) from companies that will emerge either on their own or by eating other companies to become bigger names with higher quality and better QC -- basically the Ataris and Commodores and Apple IIs of the vaping world. How long that takes I suppose depends on how quickly (and even if) government health agencies around the world come to legitimize E-cigs.

 

[kanadiankat]

Hey Chaseman - I love your post about the manufacturers.

The core of the problem though lay with the manufacturers - not with the retailers.

China has their ecig patents pretty much sewed up world wide. Attempts to make mass market ecig devices outside of China has resulted in lawsuits - and there is little anyone can do when being sued by someone who has the right to sue.

There isn't an industry in the world where the retailers are responsible for beta testing their ordered stock before offering it to customers. Yet in this industry most do - to a reasonable point. The rest is simply covered by warranties. If retailers had to do all the beta testing - there wouldn't be a reasonable retail market in the world - at least not one that everyone could afford to participate in.

The manus who make inferior goods do go out of business pretty fast anyway and lose the trust of retailers in heartbeat. For some it's a learning curve. They have to lose everything before they sit in an empty warehouse and finally get it. For others - well, they have their tester dogs (lol)....

Ecigs are, by their nature, disposable electronics. These are not Ferrari parts. Even modded - they have a limited life span and limited use. Small parts cost the equivalent of 2 loaves of bread - larger parts the equivalent of a night at the movies or less.

Perhaps this is why so little time is spent on beta testing. .... just a thought....