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Makes sense, because the premium is not that great. But, soon we won't need to depend on that other place for juices cuz we'll have our own! (insert happy dance)
just my limited experience but the WOW Kamel isn't as flavorful as the premium. the WOW juice imo simply has too much VG and therefore less flavor. the WOW vapor (again just from my experience) has much more VG (or in the case of the WOW 555 Vapor i ordered 100% VG). the regular WOW juice appears to be a mix of VG/PG (no idea on the ratio). so i stick to the premium and if needed cut it with pure VG.
I think it is a pervasive problem across MANY e-cig suppliers where they give inadequate information to make an informed decision. If it wasn't for this forum I wouldn't know why to pick MaxxFusion over the regular Fusion products. I wouldn't know that Wow Peppermint and Premium Peppermint weren't the same thing. I still don't know what makes them different. Not really.
I wish they would stop with the mystery and just give us the information. List the specs. Explain the products. The fact we have to come here and do research before we buy somewhere is a little ridiculous.
I wish they would stop with the mystery and just give us the information. List the specs. Explain the products. The fact we have to come here and do research before we buy somewhere is a little ridiculous.
i agree. maybe they consider some of that knowledge to be a "trade secret"?
I suppose that is possible and I can understand why they would want to safeguard some proprietary information.
However, most of that information is available in piecemeal here, on this forum. Morandir recently did a very detailed investigation into several lines of the V4L batteries regarding their output and consumption. So, the information is obtainable without asking the vendor. But a newb wondering into Bloog or V4L would have a hard time determining what to buy and why they should buy it.
Leaving aside the benefit to the newb, information can and should be a marketing tactic. The fact that few vendors seem to be doing it is more than a little confusing to me. Also, from the outside looking in this lack of information makes the whole e-cig thing seem even more mysterious and unknowable that it really is. It causes more questions to be raised about the safety of these new fangled devices and may turn off many potential customers who don't find this forum.
However, most of that information is available in piecemeal here, on this forum. Morandir recently did a very detailed investigation into several lines of the V4L batteries regarding their output and consumption. So, the information is obtainable without asking the vendor. But a newb wondering into Bloog or V4L would have a hard time determining what to buy and why they should buy it.
Leaving aside the benefit to the newb, information can and should be a marketing tactic. The fact that few vendors seem to be doing it is more than a little confusing to me. Also, from the outside looking in this lack of information makes the whole e-cig thing seem even more mysterious and unknowable that it really is. It causes more questions to be raised about the safety of these new fangled devices and may turn off many potential customers who don't find this forum.
I totally agree with you Gardner. One of the popular complaints is the lack of descriptions. And giving the PG/VG ration isn't going to give away any secrets, it's their flavoring recipe they can keep to themselves. Halo just told me the same thing 'can't tell cuz people want to copy us', bah! But when it comes to the equipment, why should we be left to figure out the maH and voltage and which is best on this carto vs. that carto?
I agree with both of you; it's just silly. You have an industry that needs new adopters to flourish, yet the information is hidden in things like "the most vapor" and "contains some VG", or "industry secret", etc. It makes it so that a n00b needs hours upon hours of investigation and research to even know what is or isn't a rip-off, why one battery is better than another, why big batt vs. cig-style, etc. I did weeks of research before I bought, and I ended up with a lousy eGo kit with additional 510 batteries and a bunch of carts and juice. Most of it was a big waste of money (about $150), because it sits in a drawer now that I found 808D stuff. But that's just one example. Juice is a complete joke with proprietary mixes, no mention of ratios, batches from China that vary widely from one to another, no ingredient lists on the majority of juices, unknown steep times and bathtub brewers...It's no wonder people get overwhelmed and go back to analogs.
Its sad that I get excited and giggly when I find a supplier of juice that actually gives a description of the flavor. I know that Peach is kinda self-explanatory but when it comes to juices it isn't. I mean, is it a candy type peach or fruit type peach? In many cases we have no idea of knowing.
Even "standard" flavors like RY4 and 555 differ wildly. I mean, they had a goal when they created the flavor. They should know what they intended for it to taste like. If I don't see a flavor description I assume the vendor is using a "flavoring" and simply adding it to a Nicotine fortified PG/VG mix. No craft or skill involved and I rarely order from such places.
Apparently, I am on a soap box about this issue today. Please forgive me for ranting.
Even "standard" flavors like RY4 and 555 differ wildly. I mean, they had a goal when they created the flavor. They should know what they intended for it to taste like. If I don't see a flavor description I assume the vendor is using a "flavoring" and simply adding it to a Nicotine fortified PG/VG mix. No craft or skill involved and I rarely order from such places.
Apparently, I am on a soap box about this issue today. Please forgive me for ranting.
That scares me. Was there actually an incident where this was reported?
At first I wanted to order only made in US stuff, but have since figured that mass produced is better quality wise, since theres more standards that are enforced.
I think he was using bathtub brewers as a general term to refer to vendors who are selling from their homes.
Sorry, I get a little paranoid sometimes. The second I read "bathtub brewers", I actually envisioned it... a very filthy bath tub and someone how hadn't showered in weeks.. stiring with a canoe ore... I still feel like gaging.
I got my Halo Tribeca today, along with the free 10ml Prime 15 sample. Both are 24mg/ml.
You guys were pretty spot-on with the comparison to Bloog's RY4, and although I don't think it's exact, it's a good facsimile. Definitely pulls off the 'smoky' feel, and the full-mouth 'bite' of the Bloog juice. It's got that bit of peanut finish that I love about Bloog's RY4. Not as smoky as 555, but definitely a juice I'm enjoying. I just have to see how a couple days steeping will change it (if at all). Mine was 'born on' 4/15, so it's already a couple weeks old, meaning it's had decent steep-time already. Good stuff, and thanks for the recommendation. And as always, the bottle is beautiful.
The Prime 15 is like a mellower version of Torque 56. I taste some of the same finish T56 had (before mine went 'sour'), but it's not as 'in your face' as T56. I'm not sure I'm going to be ordering a full bottle of this stuff, but it's definitely vape-able.
The thing that gets me about these juices is the 'cleanliness' of the vape. It's like other juices leave a film in your mouth, while Halo juice is just clean, smooth vape. I guess that means the VG content isn't very high (they don't reveal their ratio), but the vapor production suggests otherwise. Bloog's 555 and RY4 are similarly 'clean', but I've always assumed that's due to the very low VG content. I just don't know how Halo gets so much vapor out of such a clean juice.
Anyway, I definitely like the Tribeca, and I'm glad I went ahead with a 30ml bottle. I just hope it doesn't turn nasty like the T56 did. I guess I should use it up quick...
You guys were pretty spot-on with the comparison to Bloog's RY4, and although I don't think it's exact, it's a good facsimile. Definitely pulls off the 'smoky' feel, and the full-mouth 'bite' of the Bloog juice. It's got that bit of peanut finish that I love about Bloog's RY4. Not as smoky as 555, but definitely a juice I'm enjoying. I just have to see how a couple days steeping will change it (if at all). Mine was 'born on' 4/15, so it's already a couple weeks old, meaning it's had decent steep-time already. Good stuff, and thanks for the recommendation. And as always, the bottle is beautiful.
The Prime 15 is like a mellower version of Torque 56. I taste some of the same finish T56 had (before mine went 'sour'), but it's not as 'in your face' as T56. I'm not sure I'm going to be ordering a full bottle of this stuff, but it's definitely vape-able.
The thing that gets me about these juices is the 'cleanliness' of the vape. It's like other juices leave a film in your mouth, while Halo juice is just clean, smooth vape. I guess that means the VG content isn't very high (they don't reveal their ratio), but the vapor production suggests otherwise. Bloog's 555 and RY4 are similarly 'clean', but I've always assumed that's due to the very low VG content. I just don't know how Halo gets so much vapor out of such a clean juice.
Anyway, I definitely like the Tribeca, and I'm glad I went ahead with a 30ml bottle. I just hope it doesn't turn nasty like the T56 did. I guess I should use it up quick...
Frick, I am really glad you enjoyed the Tribeca. I felt very confident with the recommendation because both myself and my wife agreed that it was very close to Bloog RY4, not just in taste but in vaping experience. The closeness was amazing.
I agree with you about the cleanliness of the juice from Bloog and Halo. I find this with BWB as well.
I agree with you about the cleanliness of the juice from Bloog and Halo. I find this with BWB as well.
I have yet to try the Prime I have the sampler but I did try some of the T56 and it had an odd taste I hope it wasnt my blank that was causing the taste.
Gardner, I've been vaping it all afternoon and evening, and I really like it. A good alternative to all the others, and very much like Bloog's RY4. I'm actually surprised how close it comes. I think I even detect a tiny bit of whatever makes Wowboy taste good, and since I like that juice too, that's a good thing.
Red, T56 is a strong flavor. It takes some getting used to. Mine was very good when it was good, but then it went 'bad'. I tried the Prime 15 again, and it's got that 'kick' that T56 has, but not as strong. An overall decent juice, but not one of my favorites.
Red, T56 is a strong flavor. It takes some getting used to. Mine was very good when it was good, but then it went 'bad'. I tried the Prime 15 again, and it's got that 'kick' that T56 has, but not as strong. An overall decent juice, but not one of my favorites.
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