SS 32+ gauge

[Yvan]

Hi guys,

I am an MTL vaper for 7 years and I just started to build my own coil recently.
I chose to go with stainless steel because I love TC mode. Less juice and battery consumption and cleaner vape and i don't want to touch other wire material for safety concern. I bought 30g SS wire and I build 1.4 Homs coils.
The problem is that it takes some time to start and getting hot and I have to do 12 wrap as well. Here is my question, is the 32 or + gauge in stainless steel is ok for my kind of vape ?
Am I going to have the same slow start with those 32 or 34 gauge wire ?
What kind of vape am i going to get with those thick wire ?

Thanks,

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

errr.. You have that reversed.

The higher the gauge, the smaller the wire is.

32 = thinner than human hair(or darn close to it)
30 gauge = thin enough that it will easily cause you to bled if you ..... yourself with it.
28 gauge = thicker
26 gauge = thick and solid
24 gauge = better have good pliers
22 gauge = you're going to be able to make coat hangers if you keep going

I use 28 and 26, and more and more, 26 is my favourite, but this is for coils that are 2.3-3.5mm in size.

Usually the higher gauge 30 and up are used for making Claptons (multi-wire coils)

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

About how fast they get hot, that depends on your settings and the deck you use... what's your info for those?

 

[Yvan]

Okayyyy, lol Thanks

I have an IStick nano and a kayfun v4.
I ordered a coilmaster to be more precis with my coil because doing 12 wrap to get 1.4 homs
That's why I wanted to go higher with the Gauge ( I checked with Steam engine) but I was not sure what kind of result I would get with thinner wire: cooler vape, hoter vape ?

Thanks for your quick answer

 

[Yvan]

Plus I went to a local shop in Geneva "Swiss" and the guy didnt have SS wire higer than 30 Gauge so I asked him to give me kantal for now and I asked him to give me what is best for MTL vape and he gave me 26 gauge Kantal, is it good ?

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Okayyyy, lol Thanks

I have an IStick nano and a kayfun v4.
I ordered a coilmaster to be more precis with my coil because doing 12 wrap to get 1.4 homs
That's why I wanted to go higher with the Gauge ( I checked with Steam engine) but I was not sure what kind of result I would get with thinner wire: cooler vape, hoter vape ?

Thanks for your quick answer

 

[BreSha6869]

Plus I went to a local shop in Geneva "Swiss" and the guy didnt have SS wire higer than 30 Gauge so I asked him to give me kantal for now and I asked him to give me what is best for MTL vape and he gave me 26 gauge Kantal is it good ?

One of the most popular wires if not THE most popular. I use a lot of 26/28 kanthal. 30ga kanthal is too thin for me unless I twist 2 strands together.

I don't generally bother with 32/34 as it is too thin for me to work with. Nickel is the only wire I would even attempt making coils with 32+ due to the resistance. A 20 wrap 24ga coil isn't my idea of something useable. Many consider Nickel dangerous and it is becoming less popular as well...

 

[Yvan]

Thanks BreSha6869

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Okayyyy, lol Thanks

I have an IStick nano and a kayfun v4.
I ordered a coilmaster to be more precis with my coil because doing 12 wrap to get 1.4 homs
That's why I wanted to go higher with the Gauge ( I checked with Steam engine) but I was not sure what kind of result I would get with thinner wire: cooler vape, hoter vape ?

Thanks for your quick answer

Over 30 gauge and you'll have coils that are going to be very difficult to handle, the wire is simply too thin.

How hot is more about your settings, the OHMs on a regulated mod are secondary as long as you stick to something reasonable...

If you want warmer, and faster, then you need to lower the OHMs (resistance).

Part of this is how big your deck and how big a coil can it handle (I don't have this particular tank).

For example: I do have a tank that I put in a single coil SS 28 or 26, 2.5mm, and I just put in as many wraps as will fit in the RBA, which, if I remember, gives me about 0.8ohms, and it works just great at 45W and in the 300F for a nice warm vape. Note that for SS to register well, you have to have enough wire mass, so it's part of the "put as many wraps as will fit".

Khantal is somewhat fine if you set it right, but you will not be able to control the ramp up like you could with TC.

Trouble is, without TC, you're stuck that you just can't set the wattage too high otherwise, it'll hit that warmth very fast, but then it'll just keep going hotter and hotter and might end up being a bad experience... and without TC, you have to watch for those dry-hits.

If you know how to set the pre-heat on the Pico, that would help kick the warmth faster, but will be a drain on the battery..

 

[Deepwinter]

What diameter are you wrapping on, 12 wraps is also allot I would try dropping off 3 or 4 wraps and see where that gets you.
If you use 2.5mm bit with 8.5 wraps you should get approximately 1.2 ohm its less mass to heat up aswell
Also I would see how it works on wattage mode first and if all works well there then try TC, I can be very finnecky getting temp control to work sometimes.
So at least if you know your coil performs well in wattage mode its one less thing to worry about.

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[puffon]

Check your mod for TC ohm range.
Typically TC coils are lower ohm, than Kanthal builds.

 

[Oomee]

If you know how to set the pre-heat on the Pico, that would help kick the warmth faster, but will be a drain on the battery..

Pre-heat and TC with SS seems way to go.
Try with what you have before trying to buy a solution.
Kanthal could be seen as a backward step in terms of clean vape.

Can see sense(Scotch mist rather than clouds) in keeping the Ohms a little higher(~1 Ohm), but 28 gauge should be OK in SS316.
Makes sense in terms of power transfer and control too.

 

[vapdivrr]

I wouldn't go with 32g, to thin. I would stay with the 30g but shoot for 1.2 ohms with a 2.5 ID coil, like mentioned previously, it would be in the 8 wrap area and heat up faster then the 12 wrap

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[Kickingthesticks]

Ss will ohm out lower than kanthal. Why does it have to be 1.4 ohms? Unless your mod won't fire lower ohm coils I would build just do as many wraps as I did with kanthal maybe add 1 or 2 more wraps to make up for the fast ramp up in ss. With 30g ss I like 8 wrap around 2mm I'd. 12 watts is perfect for me with this build in power mode. Just play with it until you find out what works for you.

 

[Yvan]

Thanks all for your answer, will try all your advice, much appreciated. Great forum

 

[Chodi]

A lot of good advice in this thread but I thought I would mention that I own lots of single coil rta's and some just won't do decent temp control. I use 26 gauge Kanthal in those. If you have a good temp control mod then you should not have to worry much about how many wraps. I stay with 26 gauge ss for some and even at around .5 ohm I get a great vape but not on all my rta's. Some rta's just don't like temp control (at least in my experience).

 

[Yvan]

Ok, the thing is that I want a MTL vape so I don't know if sub ohm is good for my kind of vape?
I have the Vaporesso Guardian but I don't enjoy the 0.6Ω coil and I don't use it anymore.
I want to get the same kind of vape as the Nautilus with 1.8Ω or 1.6Ω coil but with home made coil in SS for TC on my Kayfun,(yes I am difficult I know).
Thanks

 

[Zakillah]

People have already said it, but....you´ll have a much easier time with building if you understand that the resistance DOES NOT MATTER! AT ALL!
You can always adjust your power on a regulated device and 10W are always 10W, no matter what the resistance is.
What matters is stuff like coil size, diameter, airflow, wire thickness. The larger your coil is, the more power it needs to heat up; so this is essentially counter intuitive if you try to build for a target resistance as the higher resistance coil of the same wire will need more power.

If you use your SS wire and do less wraps; say 10 instead of 14; you´ll need less power to heat it or it will heat faster with the same power setting compared to the 14 wrap. Yes, it will have lower resistance, but don't get distracted/bothered by that.

I just recently built a "beginner" mtl setup for my dad using 30G SS, 7 or 8 wraps. Resistance came out 0,9.

Also, just my opinion, but I find 26G way too thick for a simple mtl low power setup. 30G isn't that hard to handle with some practice.

Unless your mod won't fire lower ohm coils I would build just do as many wraps as I did with kanthal maybe add 1 or 2 more wraps to make up for the fast ramp up in ss.

Idk why people keep saying this, but SS doesn't ramp up faster then Kanthal.

 

[Eskie]

Ok, the thing is that I want a MTL vape so I don't know if sub ohm is good for my kind of vape?
I have the Vaporesso Guardian but I don't enjoy the 0.6Ω coil and I don't use it anymore.
I want to get the same kind of vape as the Nautilus with 1.8Ω or 1.6Ω coil but with home made coil in SS for TC on my Kayfun,(yes I am difficult I know).
Thanks

If the goal is to run a coil in TC, resistance matters even less (as long as it's within the working range of the mod). Even wattage matters less, because the power going to the coil will be governed by the temperature you selected.

 

[Yvan]

Ok Thanks for your answer guys. I start to see the light.