Starting to feel sick after into my 1st month of vaping.

[Linbel]

I started vaping a month ago after 30 years of smoking. After weeks of educating myself about the vaping world I decided I would go with the KR808 since it was like a traditional cigarette. I purchased 3 batteries, flavored cartomizers from Premiumecigarette and Smokeless Image, Ejuice and blank cartomizers all at 11 and 12mg. I was a 1 pack a day smoker Marlboro Lights. I was vaping 1 cartomizer a day but starting my second by night time. Pg has been the main mix in all these choices. I do believe Smokeless Image has a ratio of 80Pg 20Vg. I read that the Wow juice from Vapor4l has Vg and that is the reason for so much vapor. The prefilled cartomizers leave a bad taste in my mouth. Yesterday I was so sick. I had a sour bitter taste in my mouth and stomach. I was vaping a prefilled cartomizer. I have been suffering headaches since my second day of vaping.

Should I switch to a VG, has anyone had bad experiences with vg. I do not want to give up but I had to go back to smoking and I already feel better today. I hate it and would love any advice.
Thank you very much

Sorry if my post was detailed but I have read so many post where hardly no info was given and instead of getting advice the person would get the usual when, how and why questions.
I should have posted that I drink only two cups of coffee a day. I drink on an average, 3/4 to 1 gal. of water a day. I have been a smoker for 30 years. Nicotine is not something new to me. I have a professional medical background. I have not quit analog cigarettes at all. I have only cut back my intake. I smoke 3 to 6 a day to keep a balance in my system. Since I started vaping which is still new to me, I have been slowly incorporating them into my life. I have been afraid of the withdraw symptoms and think that this was best for myself. That being said, I have been following the guidelines of 10 to 15 drags per sitting. I vape once every hour, give or take a few minutes. After each vaping a glass of water just like I have been doing all my life with cigarettes. My drags are quite like smoking just a little slower. I am vaping 11, 12 mg prefilled cartomizers and or ejuice. In my experience, everyone is different because of lifestyle, eating habits etc, in 30 years of smoking I have always had headaches due to lack of nicotine. When I have cut back, not been able to smoke etc. My original question was regarding how sick I was after vaping the last week using SI cartomizers verses my ejuice. I would still like to thank those that did give me the advice to mix vg because I may have a slight intolerance to pg. I will stop using those cartomizers.

 

[Temporal Fugitive]

You can get a headache from too much nicotine, so I'd try 6 - 8 mg. It doesn't sound like you have a problem with PG or VG, but you might want to try vaping VG-based liquids and just see how that goes. As for the sour bitter taste, it could be anything really. It could be caused by something you ate, using a different brand of toothpaste than you usually do, a different brand of mouthwash, drinking too much coffee, etc. Of course, it might just be the flavor that you've been vaping, so I'd try a different one

 

[xiotaki]

ugh, diff. toothpaste? come on. well my story goes like this... I've been vaping for about a month and I started sleeping 14 hours a day (i work from home so it hasn't been totally life devastating) , and for the remaining hours I would be awake, I felt like a zombie with about a 50 point IQ drop. So that's a NO GO. Honnestly I'd rather die 5 years before my time and actually have them be productive , instead of simply sleeping them away Sooo, I'm back on the analogs.

You can tell I'm a bit frustrated about this, but I will give this another chance. I just bought some DIY ingredients and will try some very clean mixtures of the simple basics required (no flavoring at all) and see if that makes a difference. But as it stands now, vaping for me turned out to be too good to be true.

 

[Linbel]

Thanks for answering my post. The sour bitter taste only happened when i was vaping and the more I vaped the worse it got and eventually started making me sick. I stopped vaping and when I was feeling better and tried vaping again I had the same results. At 9am yesterday I stopped vaping for the rest of the day. I started smoking regular cigarettes from then. Little by little I was feeling so much better, after dinner I picked up my ecig and again, I got so sick to my stomach, and that sour bitter taste hit me really hard and fast. As for the mg. it is lower than what all the websites state. Marlboro Lights 18mg for smokers that smoke 1/2 a pack to 1 full pack a day. I have been vaping 11 and 12 and I feel that it is weaker then what I am use to. I feel the withdraw symptoms. I choose it because I actually want to lower my intake. I also changed that cartomizer with a new one and it was the same result.

 

[nola]

You really should not be getting a sour taste. Maybe it is the prefilled carto's?? Maybe it is the filler in the carto's? Maybe you could try dripping, meaning dropping eliquid straight on the atty-do you even have an atty or did the kit come with just premixed carts's? Pick up an 808 atty and an 808 drip tip and try dripping. All of the afore mentioned is just my opinion-I am a bit new myself. Good luck and keep posting til you solve that sour taste. I think its the prefilled carto's.

 

[DaveP]

Keep yourself hydrated as you vape. Maybe what you are experiencing is tied to oral de-hydration. PG is a humectant. It will dry out your mouth as you vape by absorbing water.

You might also try a mix and and some different flavors in juice.

 

[Temporal Fugitive]

When it comes to e-liquid strength, it's not clear cut like that. Yes, most full flavor PAD smokers vape 24 mg, BUT some people can't handle more than 12 mg. Likewise, people that smoked super/ultra lights usually vape 0 - 6 mg, but some of them need as much as 24 mg. At the beginning I'd stick to a strength that works for you, not one that makes you crave nic (and cigs). If the sour bitter taste is definitely caused by vaping, try a different flavor or even a different e-liquid company and/or VG if you haven't vaped VG-only liquids.

@ xiotaki, did you start sleeping 14 hrs a day right after you started vaping? Did going back to analogs make you sleep normal again? There's really no reason why vaping would make anyone sleep different. Well, IF you've been feeling depressed (which would make sense with the sleeping thing), it's because you haven't been getting the MAOIs from tobacco (natural antidepressants). If that's the case, it's not vaping that's the culprit, it's tobacco

 

[Linbel]

Nola, I was thinking just the same thing. I would like to try a ce2 ceramic (no filling) cartomizer with VG. I have not heard of any allergies from VG. I was hoping to get some feed back on that. I do like the cartomizers, put it on and you dont have to think about it. Thanks for replying

 

[xiotaki]

@TF It only started about a week ago. and yes, after i stopped vaping and started smoking i felt like a new man. But I don't think it's fair to blame the tobacco. don't forget that i quit vaping...makes more sense at face value. if it was the tobacco, shouldn't it hit me a towards the beginning days /weeks of me quitting? also the effects where pretty clear cut... the more I vaped the more it would affect me.

 

[xiotaki]

K, k, if what you're saying is true, then i should be able to test it out by smoking some cigs, while also vaping and see i the side effects persist, or go away. Sounds like a fair test setup? Don't get me wrong, i want this vaping thing to work, I just can't keep blaming everything else in my life when it seems the answer is staring me right in the face.

 

[Temporal Fugitive]

Not necessarily, many MAOIs and other types of antidepressants tend to stay in your system for up to a couple weeks after you stop taking them. For example, it's something like 2 - 3 weeks for Prozac.

Edit: Yeah, that should help you figure out if it really is the vaping

Edit 2: Have you tried vaping VG-based liquids? You *might* be sensitive to PG. And no, you can't get chloroform from propylene glycol oO

 

[Linbel]

Actually PG has a small amount of chemicals that make up the same compound as chloroform. So it would make perfect sense why people would become tiresome. I've read numerous threads of people complaining about being tired from extensive use of Vaping.

FYI: PG in chemistry is: C3H8O2 or HO-CH2-CHOH-CH3, In the chemical sequence means that there is hygroscopic and miscible with water, acetone, and chloroform.

 

[thenut]

@TF It only started about a week ago. and yes, after i stopped vaping and started smoking i felt like a new man. But I don't think it's fair to blame the tobacco. don't forget that i quit vaping...makes more sense at face value. if it was the tobacco, shouldn't it hit me a towards the beginning days /weeks of me quitting?

Strange, I had the opposite effect. Like you, I've been off of analogs for about a month. I was sleeping for only 3 hours a night, and feeling like a complete zombie all day. I could never figure out if it was from cigarette withdrawal symptoms, too much Nic from the vaping, not enough Nic from the vaping, or what the hell the problem was.
That seems to have subsided now though, and I'm sleeping more normally and still vaping the same strength juice.

I really hope you'll give this a try again at some point, xiotaki . Cigarettes have controlled my life for so long, that the thought of going back to them horrifies me, no matter how lousy my sleeping habits are.
In fact, even though many find vaping a lifetime "hobby" of sorts, I would love to eventually quit this as well, and be totally free of inhaling anything but fresh air. In the mean time, I still feel like vaping is by far the less of the two evils.
And folks...PLEASE don't get defensive about the vaping statment. I know many of you love it (and I do to, actually), I'm just stating how I personally feel about it at this point in time.

 

[xiotaki]

Actually PG has a small amount of chemicals that make up the same compound as chloroform. ..

I really like posts like yours, and not because of favorable reasons...just the down and dirty quantitative end ofit all. But I wonder, part of a compound can be such a different thing..specially in such a volatile field as chemistry.
never mind I misread what you meant by partially

Edit 2: Have you tried vaping VG-based liquids? You *might* be sensitive to PG.

this is going to be part of my testing when my DIY stuff comes in.

Strange, I had the opposite effect. Like you, I've been off of analogs for about a month. I was sleeping for only 3 hours a night, and feeling like a complete zombie all day...

that was happening to me during the 1st and 2nd week, then all of a sudden, I was staring at my own cliche zombie series. mind you, the 1st two weeks I was smoking a pure pg base and also some ECO pure stuff (all VG) so, that might be something that I need to look into. but when I started getting in fancier flavors from other vendors ..BAM but who knows, all that could be coincidental




@Linbel

sorry for high-jacking your post, I owe you one.

 

[Linbel]

No problem, so back to VG has anyone had any complaints. I sure would love to try it. I really do not want to give up. I hate smoking; it is a means to the addiction of nicotine. I love my e ciggies. I would also like to know what are good cartomizers to try. Thanks

 

[nola]

Linbel I still recommend trying dripping. Wherever you purchase your Ce2's perhaps pick up an atty and drip tip also. You may/may not like the Ce2's. I don't but many people love them. The wick would burn and I would also get juice in my mouth-yeck. Maybe they have improved? Good luck. I was just reading yesterday on this forum about echo cartos and how they do not have that metallic taste-I don't know they have one that fits a 808 or not. I just ordered one from mtn vapor. Not the dual coil but the single coil. It was $3. Dripping is real simple. Just put 3 or 4 drops straight on the atty. I like to remove the drip tip to drip the drops and then replace the tip that way I am sure not to get juice in my mouth. I am probably the only one that does that tho. I saw someone on a video blow through their driptip so that works also.

 

[DaveP]

The CE2 XL clearomizers are good. I hated the original CE2 because of the plastic taste. Some people prefer the dual coil clearos, also.

 

[r77r7r]

I wonder if slowly replacing analogs is better in the long run. I smoked 35 yrs. and turned to vaping just to replace maybe 10 analogs out of the 30ish daily.

I went down to 3 aday instantly, and then up to 6 for about 2 months until I tapered back down to none. I could be very wrong, but it seems a lot of folks have problems when they switch to vaping right away.

Just saying..............

 

[Semiretired]

Yesterday I was so sick. I had a sour bitter taste in my mouth and stomach. I was vaping a prefilled cartomizer. I have been suffering headaches since my second day of vaping.

Should I switch to a VG, has anyone had bad experiences with vg. I do not want to give up but I had to go back to smoking and I already feel better today. I hate it and would love any advice.
Thank you very much

Now, I am not an expert on this stuff, but I have had a few side effects similar to the ones you and xiataki mentioned and much like him I am analyzing every step of this. I had the bitter taste in my mouth also occur and a little in my stomach. I figured out that when I vaped heavier and took longer / harder draws that this was when it happened. I smoked 100's ultralights of any kind that was on sale and I hotboxed them. When I took draws on my PV like I would my analog it did not work. It seemed that when the atty got very hot and I drew really hard the bitter taste occured so I backed off. I thought I had to raise my nic level since I was backing off - nope the higher nic level gave me other side effects (headaches - light headed)...

I also experienced some loss of sleep on some nights and overslept on other nights, but found that it was more from the cutting back on analogs. I have not completely quit analogs yet. The first ones in the morning (only two now) and one after meals are the hardest ones to give up and when I experienced the sleeping changes I added one before I went to bed at night.

I am still smoking about 5 or 6 analogs a day and I will quit them also, but I am still trying to find my perfect vape. Still experimenting. I am going to try vaping without any flavoring next. I am using this to try to quit smoking - not to develop a new habit. I plan on keeping some vaping equipment around and use it often enough in the future to ensure I do not slip back to analogs, but I do not plan on being a full time vaper either.

 

[Xaiver]

I started vaping a month ago after 30 years of smoking.... 12mg. I was a 1 pack a day smoker Marlboro Lights....The prefilled cartomizers leave a bad taste in my mouth. Yesterday I was so sick. I had a sour bitter taste in my mouth and stomach...I have been suffering headaches since my second day of vaping.

Edited the quote for brevity and relevant information. Hope this doesn't offend.

So, if what I understand is correct, you've been vaping for about a month, the taste you get from them isn't that great, and you've been having headaches, and recently you got a bit of nausea.

Okay, lets start at the beginning. You smoked Marlboro Lights, which made you think that you wanted a tobacco flavor. Don't worry, everyone did it. The tobacco flavors aren't that great, there's no -real- way to reproduce the flavor of a burning herb via steam. It's just not possible. Some of them can get close (which, by the way, you won't find in a prefilled form) but it's still not the same. I would recommend you try something sweet, maybe a mint or something of the sort. I found that I preferred menthol when I was vaping the prefilled-ma-bobs.

Headaches! Headaches are wonderful things, they let you know that you've got too much stress; tension in your neck, if you're not sleeping enough, or...if you're.....dehydrated. You said you've been smoking for 30 years, which leads me to believe that you're in your mid-to-late 40's. The majority of the people in that age group that I know like coffee...as in, only drink coffee, unless they're having a beer. Coffee doesn't really hydrate you all that well, sure, you're getting liquid into your system, but it's not really working toward the hydrate-your-body goal. Coffee contains a lot of caffeine, which causes your body to actually purge water.

Now, I could be completely off the mark here, but lets assume that I'm not. If you're drinking anything other than Water or some sort of sports drink (gatorade, powerade, flavoredwaterade) then you're doin' it wrong. Your body needs a certain water level to survive, when you don't have that, all sorts of nasty things start happening. The first of which is sort of a general fatigue. Some people get headaches around this point too. It only gets worse from there....read up on dehydration if you don't believe me.

Nausea, bitter taste. At about the 1 month point, your body is going through a few different things. First and foremost is that it's trying to cleanse all the garbage out of your system from the analogs. The little cilia in your lungs are trying to pop back up so that they can properly absorb oxygen, your taste buds are getting a new layer of skin on them, your brain is going through a fairly profound chemical change, and probably quite a few things that I missed.

The most likely case is that your body is trying to adjust to the lack of certain chemicals from the analogs, and you're trying to keep yourself feeling 'normal' by puffing on your PV like you're a steam engine. There is a bit of adjustment in getting used to the e-cig...the first of which is learning the signals that your body gives when it's had enough, and it's time to put it down for a few minutes.

To be clear, I tend to find that the simplest answer is the most likely. Drink more water, set the stinky-sticks down, and give it a try again. While it is -possible- that you're having an allergic reaction to the PG, it's very unlikely. Maybe you caught a bit of the flu.

Best of luck!
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